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[GASOUTHERNVOL]

CHATTANOOGA (WRCB) - A high school tradition for more than twenty years has now been banned at Lakeview-Fort Oglethorpe High School in Georgia.

After a complaint to the Catoosa County Superintendent, the school system opted to ban cheerleader signs that deliver a religious message such as a Bible verse.

A parent emailed the Channel 3 Eyewitness Newsroom early on Friday to tell us the cheerleaders spent all summer making signs with an "inspirational" message. The cheerleaders, according to this parent, are disappointed that the football players will not be allowed to run through their signs.

One recent sign read: "For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but of power, love, and self-discipline. Timothy 1:7."

We contacted the school system for comment.

Communications Specialist Marissa Brower tells us, "Due to the separation of church and state, the school system can't take a position on religious matters. While we don't necessarily agree that all religious messages need to be banned, we are required to follow the law."

"Federal courts have prohibited religious messages during football games and we must comply with the law."

I played football at LFO all 4 years of HS, every game we ran through the banners. One person gets their panties in a wad, and we have to change a tradition?

Ok, the school cannot take a position on religion, however this is student lead and is protected by the constitution, if that document even matters anymore...

 

[utvol0427]

I played football at LFO all 4 years of HS, every game we ran through the banners. One person gets their panties in a wad, and we have to change a tradition?

Ok, the school cannot take a position on religion, however this is student lead and is protected by the constitution, if that document even matters anymore...

Unfortunately, it doesn't.

 

[GASOUTHERNVOL]

RIP- The Constiution 1787-2009

 

[joeydupree]

Saw that on the news.... Crazy.

 

[GASOUTHERNVOL]

its pathetic is what it is, then the CCPS rep. gave some sorry excuse and reason. I love my school, but i hate our county

 

[Brog]

I don't know which is more bizzare. People getting upset about players running through bible verses or people wanting to run through bible verses.

 

[cwil4]

this is crazy,and some people wonder what is wrong with the world

 

[GASOUTHERNVOL]

I don't know which is more bizzare. People getting upset about players running through bible verses or people wanting to run through bible verses.

I know you dont share the same values, so i guess it sounds odd to you. Im not saying anything bad about your beliefs, but this is something that is important to the players, and to the community. Its not like the signs said "Be a christian or burn in hell." They are motivational quotes that mean something to the players, and the community. However, once again majority rule is thrown out the window.

 

[govols182]

The person that complained is a teacher that didn't get their contract renewed. I would say a name, but...I'm sure people will figure it out sooner or later.

 

[The Dude]

I know you dont share the same values, so i guess it sounds odd to you. Im not saying anything bad about your beliefs, but this is something that is important to the players, and to the community. Its not like the signs said "Be a christian or burn in hell." They are motivational quotes that mean something to the players, and the community. However, once again majority rule is thrown out the window.

So separation of church and state shouldn't apply, which is a standard supported by the First Amendment of the Constitution, which you love so much?

 

[GASOUTHERNVOL]

So separation of church and state shouldn't apply, which is a standard supported by the First Amendment of the Constitution, which you love so much?

in this case no, because it is something that is student led, not led by the school administrators or teachers, it is led by the students, which is protected by the first ammendment, as established by lemon v kurtzman 1971.

 

[The Dude]

in this case no, because it is something that is student led, not led by the school administrators or teachers, it is led by the students, which is protected by the first ammendment, as established by lemon v kurtzman 1971.

The football game itself is a government school event. Biblical ideals on a banner students run through are absolutely going beyond student prayer or student Bible study. That's merging religion with the game.

 

[GASOUTHERNVOL]

The football game itself is a government school event. Biblical ideals on a banner students run through are absolutely going beyond student prayer or student Bible study. That's merging religion with the game.

Please explain this to me. At UT games, before the game there is a convocation, a prayer. See You At The Pole is a school event. The school is not promoting a religion, and honestly if you get up in arms about a simple bible verse that isnt even trying to convert anyone then you need some meds because you are wound way too tight.

 

[The Dude]

The school is promoting religion by way of the students by allowing banners like that. The banner is statement tied with the team, which is part of the government school. A visual message presented as part of the game itself is not a voluntary message, unlike student prayer.

To you it's a simple Bible verse, to someone else it's a fairy tale better suited for nursery school. Who's to say someone doesn't quote Deuteronomy declaring rape and slavery as a needed process? Better yet, I wonder why don't they ever choose the juicer verses?

No, I'm not wound up nor need any meds. I personally think much of the Bible's messages are a good thing for society and humanity. Just like to see the laws enforced and this crosses the line.

 

[GASOUTHERNVOL]

so 1 person gets mad over this because not the message, but because they didn't do their job and did not get their contract their renewed, this warrants telling an entire community that supports it they can't do it?
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[The Dude]

so 1 person gets mad over this because not the message, but because they didn't do their job and did not get their contract their renewed, this warrants telling an entire community that supports it they can't do it?
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I highly doubt it's only one person in the entire community who feels this way. Yeah, maybe only one person complain, but no one can say everyone was for the banners. Regardless, the law doesn't take that into account.

 

[GASOUTHERNVOL]

I highly doubt it's only one person in the entire community who feels this way. Yeah, maybe only one person complain, but no one can say everyone was for the banners. Regardless, the law doesn't take that into account.

yah, GOD forbid the law takes the people into account.
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[Shursh]

A visual message presented as part of the game itself is not a voluntary message, unlike student prayer.

^ This.

Though I personally don't have a problem with it, I agree that it shouldn't be allowed/enforced at the game.

 

[The Dude]

yah, GOD forbid the law takes the people into account.
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Seems a lot like the very stance southern plantation owners grasped on to about 150 years ago and segregationist displayed around half a century ago.

 

[kptvol]

So separation of church and state shouldn't apply, which is a standard supported by the First Amendment of the Constitution, which you love so much?

Don't really see how the first amendment says a group of students should be restricted in any way.

 

[The Dude]

Don't really see how the first amendment says a group of students should be restricted in any way.

It's doesn't, as long as religion doesn't move into public, tax-funded operations such as school events. The banner is blending religion into the event itself by having the players run through it. It's different than a John 3:16 sign in the stands in that way.

 

[GASOUTHERNVOL]

see is what is being missed, the seperation of church and state was intended to prevent a take over of government (IE the catholic church in much of europe, anglican church in england etc) The school is not promoting a religion, they arent doing anything at all, the students spent their money to make the signs, and are displaying them. By that account it is no different then holding a sign in the stands.

 

[kptvol]

It's doesn't, as long as religion doesn't move into public, tax-funded operations such as school events. The banner is blending religion into the event itself by having the players run through it. It's different than a John 3:16 sign in the stands in that way.

It really just says the government won't make a law prohibiting or encouraging a religion. I don't see what the big deal is. If a player didn't want to run through it, I could understand a change being made. If a fan in the stands has a problem, oh well. Crompton offends me, but I don't see anyone doing anything about it.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

The school is promoting religion by way of the students by allowing banners like that. The banner is statement tied with the team, which is part of the government school. A visual message presented as part of the game itself is not a voluntary message, unlike student prayer.

To you it's a simple Bible verse, to someone else it's a fairy tale better suited for nursery school. Who's to say someone doesn't quote Deuteronomy declaring rape and slavery as a needed process? Better yet, I wonder why don't they ever choose the juicer verses?

No, I'm not wound up nor need any meds. I personally think much of the Bible's messages are a good thing for society and humanity. Just like to see the laws enforced and this crosses the line.

Great............. another one...

:banghead2:

 

[the.one.the.only]

I highly doubt it's only one person in the entire community who feels this way. Yeah, maybe only one person complain, but no one can say everyone was for the banners. Regardless, the law doesn't take that into account.

Everybody knows one complaint equals a BILLION people. lol