Where do you stand on Healthcare?

[OHvol40]

I’m curious as to where most of the VN inhabitants stand on US healthcare. What say you?

P.S. I didn’t add the standard “this is the worst poll ever” option. Just choose one of the other options and tell me in a post how terrible the poll is. Thanks.

 

[ajvol01]

Terrible poll - nearly the worst ever

Rebuilding from the ground up is what I picked - even though that will never happen IMO.

 

[hog88]

None of your answers fit what I would I would do if King for the day.

1. Do away with employer provided health insurance. People have to purchase policies on their own.
2. Make health insurance premiums 100% deductible from an individuals taxes.
3. Make contributions to an HSA 100% tax deductible up to 10k per year. Money can be passed down in inheritance.
4. Allow healthcare providers to deny service to people that can't pay.

Those would be the 1st changes I would make. And to clarify on the tax deductibility of insurance premiums I mean regardless if you itemize or not it is deductible.

 

[OHvol40]

Terrible poll - nearly the worst ever

Rebuilding from the ground up is what I picked - even though that will never happen IMO.

I chose the same option. I’m sure our ideas about how that rebuild would happen are radically different... regardless, I agree that won’t happen anytime soon. We are entrenched with what we’ve got for now. Any changes will be baby steps.

 

[1972 Grad]

Where is the choice that says people go to the doctor way too much, and medical mistakes result in the 3rd leading cause of death in the U.S.?

 

[zeppelin128]

Beat people to death on the street wasn't an option. So fake poll for VN. Pardon, pole.

 

[ajvol01]

Where is the choice that says people go to the doctor way too much, and medical mistakes result in the 3rd leading cause of death in the U.S.?

That’s included in the worst poll ever option he excluded

 

[OHvol40]

None of your answers fit what I would I would do if King for the day.

1. Do away with employer provided health insurance. People have to purchase policies on their own.
2. Make health insurance premiums 100% deductible from an individuals taxes.
3. Make contributions to an HSA 100% tax deductible up to 10k per year. Money can be passed down in inheritance.
4. Allow healthcare providers to deny service to people that can't pay.

Those would be the 1st changes I would make. And to clarify on the tax deductibility of insurance premiums I mean regardless if you itemize or not it is deductible.

It’s sounds like you may be more in line with the third option. For-profit healthcare as the basis with major reforms. Maybe I’m mistaken though.
I understand your reforms and why you would believe in them fundamentally, but one of the biggest problems we face today is access, I don’t see anything that improves access.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

None of your answers fit what I would I would do if King for the day.

1. Do away with employer provided health insurance. People have to purchase policies on their own.
2. Make health insurance premiums 100% deductible from an individuals taxes.
3. Make contributions to an HSA 100% tax deductible up to 10k per year. Money can be passed down in inheritance.
4. Allow healthcare providers to deny service to people that can't pay.

Those would be the 1st changes I would make. And to clarify on the tax deductibility of insurance premiums I mean regardless if you itemize or not it is deductible.

Not saying I agree or disagree with this take but do you care to provide details on why for bolded comments?

 

[OHvol40]

Where is the choice that says people go to the doctor way too much, and medical mistakes result in the 3rd leading cause of death in the U.S.?

We’re trying to stay solution oriented in this thread lol

 

[hog88]

It’s sounds like you may be more in line with the third option. For-profit healthcare as the basis with major reforms. Maybe I’m mistaken though.
I understand your reforms and why you would believe in them fundamentally, but one of the biggest problems we face today is access, I don’t see anything that improves access.

We do not have a problem with access. I was in the ER with my wife Tuesday night there was a woman in there due to a migraine with no insurance, she was seen. Overhearing her conversation with the admitting (or whatever you call the clerks) people she's a regular.

If people knew that a hospital ER had the option to deny service if they can't pay maybe they'd be more responsible and buy an insurance policy.

 

[hog88]

Not saying I agree or disagree with this take but do you care to provide details on why for bolded comments?

It's a PITA expense for the employer. It has gotten so expensive it's hard to use it as a retention/recruiting tool anymore. And when employee contributions go up you inevitably get the disgruntled employees pissed that "you" are taking more money out of their pockets. I hate it.

 

[ajvol01]

It's a PITA expense for the employer. It has gotten so expensive it's hard to use it as a retention/recruiting tool anymore. And when employee contributions go up you inevitably get the disgruntled employees pissed that "you" are taking more money out of their pockets. I hate it.

What was it like pre-Obamacare?

 

[OHvol40]

We do not have a problem with access. I was in the ER with my wife Tuesday night there was a woman in there due to a migraine with no insurance, she was seen. Overhearing her conversation with the admitting (or whatever you call the clerks) people she's a regular.

If people knew that a hospital ER had the option to deny service if they can't pay maybe they'd be more responsible and buy an insurance policy.

We can disagree about solutions, but access is undeniably a problem. We have more people who don’t seek care (due to financial reasons) than any other industrialized, wealthy country.

U.S. Ranks Last Among Wealthy Nations in Access to Health Care - MedicineNet

 

[NorthDallas40]

Healthcare is fine. Everybody in coding, billing, and administration needs the DiGenova treatment (<- that was to trigger you @zeppelin128 )

 

[hog88]

What was it like pre-Obamacare?

Affordable. We used to cover employee and family 100%, now it's employee and 50% of family. Not to mention the plans available are crap compared to pre-ACA.

 

[hog88]

We can disagree about solutions, but access is undeniably a problem. We have more people who don’t seek care (due to financial reasons) than any other industrialized, wealthy country.

U.S. Ranks Last Among Wealthy Nations in Access to Health Care - MedicineNet

It's not a problem.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

None of your answers fit what I would I would do if King for the day.

1. Do away with employer provided health insurance. People have to purchase policies on their own.
2. Make health insurance premiums 100% deductible from an individuals taxes.
3. Make contributions to an HSA 100% tax deductible up to 10k per year. Money can be passed down in inheritance.
4. Allow healthcare providers to deny service to people that can't pay.

Those would be the 1st changes I would make. And to clarify on the tax deductibility of insurance premiums I mean regardless if you itemize or not it is deductible.

Why limit HSA deductions?

 

[midnight orange]

“ Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of a healthcare or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

 

[hog88]

Why limit HSA deductions?

A limited few could dump enough income into an HSA to effectively pay zero income taxes.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Affordable. We used to cover employee and family 100%, now it's employee and 50% of family. Not to mention the plans available are crap compared to pre-ACA.

It’s all part of the master plan hog. Government got involved to “help” you and took a manageable situation and made it completely unmanageable to the point that it’s screwed up so bad that only government can step in and run it directly. Working as intended in the never ending march towards government provided healthcare.

 

[jvol1]

Healthcare coverage, Medicare and medicaid, needs to be increased in some sort of comprehensive entitlement reform. Its too vital to its citizens for government to not take the lead to make sure everyone has access.

 

[McDad]

Without a doubt, the worst poll ever. Can't find that option though.

 

[McDad]

I’m curious as to where most of the VN inhabitants stand on US healthcare. What say you?

P.S. I didn’t add the standard “this is the worst poll ever” option. Just choose one of the other options and tell me in a post how terrible the poll is. Thanks.

Oh.

Needs reform. Market based reforms. Reforming the quasi socialist system or furthering the socialism in the system is no bueno for me.

 

[ajvol01]

Affordable. We used to cover employee and family 100%, now it's employee and 50% of family. Not to mention the plans available are crap compared to pre-ACA.

This is what many people who are pro government healthcare don’t understand.

In many ways the ACA has hurt more than it has helped - especially small businesses and their employees/families.

HSA should be a key part of the long term fix, but not sure how we get out of the current mess we’re in.