Where's your righteous indignation, LG1?

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Drudge is a lot more interested in getting eyeballs on his site than he is a political agenda.
 
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Why would there be outrage? They are a black network, created to celebrate black achievement. They say that if Hillary was the nominee, they wouldn't cover the convention. Its not a Democrat/Republican thing and its not a liberal/conservative thing. Its racial.

Now, do I see some incongruity between clamoring for elimination of bias in the media and/or entertainment and/or society in general while at the same time publically announcing no shame in covering Obama's nomination just because he's black? Sure I do. But its a complicated thing, given the nation's history, and so when you see people like Armstrong Williams considering a vote for Obama just because he's black, I think you have to look a lot deeper than the tenson you think you see on the surface.

As to the main issue you raise, no, I am not the least bit surprised that Drudge is carrying links to a story that this network is carrying the Obama nomination and that they are doing it because he's black. I'd be surprised, really, if Drudge and Fox didn't sort of question that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Why would there be outrage? They are a black network, created to celebrate black achievement. They say that if Hillary was the nominee, they wouldn't cover the convention. Its not a Democrat/Republican thing and its not a liberal/conservative thing. Its racial.

Now, do I see some incongruity between clamoring for elimination of bias in the media and/or entertainment and/or society in general while at the same time publically announcing no shame in covering Obama's nomination just because he's black? Sure I do. But its a complicated thing, given the nation's history, and so when you see people like Armstrong Williams considering a vote for Obama just because he's black, I think you have to look a lot deeper than the tenson you think you see on the surface.

As to the main issue you raise, no, I am not the least bit surprised that Drudge is carrying links to a story that this network is carrying the Obama nomination and that they are doing it because he's black. I'd be surprised, really, if Drudge and Fox didn't sort of question that.
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Wouldn't that be considered racism if it were about whites?
 
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Oh God Lord look at this one!

Analysis: McCain looking to fix mojo problems - CNN.com

CNN has implied McCain has a defective Mojo!

The article goes onto suggest McCain is a flip flopper.

How's this for objective journalism:

Now he's mouthing standard Republican talking points on all of these issues -- agreeing on the president's tax cuts, supporting offshore drilling and touting his border-focused immigration plan.
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Oh the humanity!!
 
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Both McCain and Obama have flip flopped quite a bit in recent months.

Does this really surprise you?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Both McCain and Obama have flip flopped quite a bit in recent months.

Does this really surprise you?
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Yes but Obama is having to back off most of his stated platform (little as that was).
 
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McCain's flip flops reflect that he understands the reality on the ground. Obama's flip flops reflect a keen understanding of political expedience and an ability to pander without the possibility of having his previous policy stances examined by the media.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Why would there be outrage? They are a black network, created to celebrate black achievement. They say that if Hillary was the nominee, they wouldn't cover the convention. Its not a Democrat/Republican thing and its not a liberal/conservative thing. Its racial.

Now, do I see some incongruity between clamoring for elimination of bias in the media and/or entertainment and/or society in general while at the same time publically announcing no shame in covering Obama's nomination just because he's black? Sure I do. But its a complicated thing, given the nation's history, and so when you see people like Armstrong Williams considering a vote for Obama just because he's black, I think you have to look a lot deeper than the tenson you think you see on the surface.

As to the main issue you raise, no, I am not the least bit surprised that Drudge is carrying links to a story that this network is carrying the Obama nomination and that they are doing it because he's black. I'd be surprised, really, if Drudge and Fox didn't sort of question that.
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that's absolutely the crux of the issue. I don't care what kind of station they are, they are covering only one angle of this election and you weren't crying wolf. Why not?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
that's absolutely the crux of the issue. I don't care what kind of station they are, they are covering only one angle of this election and you weren't crying wolf. Why not?
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Ask Armstrong Williams:

Black conservative talk show host, Armstrong Williams, who has never voted for a single Democrat his whole life, told AP, “I don’t necessarily like his policies; I don’t like much that he advocates, but for the first time in my life, history thrusts me to really seriously think about it. I can honestly say I have no idea who I’m going to pull that lever for in November. And to me, that’s incredible. Among black conservatives. They tell me privately, it would be very hard to vote against him in November.”
 
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KB5252 said:
Yes but Obama is having to back off most of his stated platform (little as that was).
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Perhaps you missed an earlier post of mine. I do not like Obama. I wanted Hillary to be the nominee.

I have never voted for a Republican for president before in my life (I'm 44). But I may vote for McCain. Its got nothing to do with race, its got everything to do with needing some sensible leadership right now and I worry that Obama is simply too naive, particularly about foreign policy, to be a good president in a dangerous time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan of McCain on some issue and may end up voting for Obama in the end. But I don't know.

I'm the reverse of Armstrong Williams (see above).
 
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lawgator1 said:
Ask Armstrong Williams:

Black conservative talk show host, Armstrong Williams, who has never voted for a single Democrat his whole life, told AP, “I don’t necessarily like his policies; I don’t like much that he advocates, but for the first time in my life, history thrusts me to really seriously think about it. I can honestly say I have no idea who I’m going to pull that lever for in November. And to me, that’s incredible. Among black conservatives. They tell me privately, it would be very hard to vote against him in November.”
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Did they have a hard time not voting for Alan Keyes
 
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lawgator1 said:
Both McCain and Obama have flip flopped quite a bit in recent months.

Does this really surprise you?
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the point I'm making is that the headline is negative about McCain - it is the large print headline on the CNN political site and the story is largely cynical. It seems to have all the buttons you hate so much.

If I read this story in the manner you approach them, I would be screaming bloody murder hence the sarcasm :eek:k: I guess CNN has to be uber-liberal?
 
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allvol123 said:
Did they have a hard time not voting for Alan Keyes
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I bet black conservatives/Republicans (what few of them there are) voted for Alan Keyes when his name was on a ballot (what little time it was).
 
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volinbham said:
the point I'm making is that the headline is negative about McCain - it is the large print headline on the CNN political site and the story is largely cynical. It seems to have all the buttons you hate so much.

If I read this story in the manner you approach them, I would be screaming bloody murder hence the sarcasm :eek:k: I guess CNN has to be uber-liberal?
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Was the headline inaccurate though?

Hasn't McCain basically acknowledged he's losing the mojo battle with Obama?

Hasn't McCain been very disappointed with the way his campaign has been run, enough to shake up his campaign leadership staff multiple times?

YouTube - John McCain Town Hall Meeting on the Economy in Denver, CO

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/opinion/07kristol.html
 
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On that subject -- but completely off the issue of media propaganda -- what is the deal with McCain's campaign? They seem completely disorganized and there's no theme. Straight talk express?

Would like to see him investing in some commercials to tout his foreign policy experience, toughness, etc.
 
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lawgator1 said:
On that subject -- but completely off the issue of media propaganda -- what is the deal with McCain's campaign? They seem completely disorganized and there's no theme. Straight talk express?

Would like to see him investing in some commercials to tout his foreign policy experience, toughness, etc.
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I'm not going to vote for him, but if I were advising him, I'd tell him he needs to be branded as a bad ass. Obama's more sensitive and complex. McCain can be bullish and simple.

It's the image W tried to have, but with the authenticity to back it up. The Wild West sheriff who doesn't take orders from anyone, who stands on his own, who's a Republican in name only but won't bow down to the wishes of any fringe group.

He needs to reassert his maverick roots. He needs to forget gimmicks like a gas tax holiday and stick to things that make him stand out, like being for the surge when nobody else was. Like fighting against pork barrel spending when every politician keeps his job b/c of it.

He needs to stop that stupid, embarrassing laugh, and take a very candid, sincere, tough stance when talking about these issues. He needs to take a page from Jim Webb's book and be the tough military-minded maverick he used to be.

Of course, I'm fine with him staying the course...
 
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TennNC said:
He needs to take a page from Jim Webb's book and be the tough military-minded maverick he used to be.
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Actually Webb said McCain should tone down his military record talk. This is also the same Webb who wore his son's combat boots during his VA campaign.
 
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TennNC said:
I'm not going to vote for him, but if I were advising him, I'd tell him he needs to be branded as a bad ass. Obama's more sensitive and complex. McCain can be bullish and simple.

It's the image W tried to have, but with the authenticity to back it up. The Wild West sheriff who doesn't take orders from anyone, who stands on his own, who's a Republican in name only but won't bow down to the wishes of any fringe group.

He needs to reassert his maverick roots. He needs to forget gimmicks like a gas tax holiday and stick to things that make him stand out, like being for the surge when nobody else was. Like fighting against pork barrel spending when every politician keeps his job b/c of it.

He needs to stop that stupid, embarrassing laugh, and take a very candid, sincere, tough stance when talking about these issues. He needs to take a page from Jim Webb's book and be the tough military-minded maverick he used to be.

Of course, I'm fine with him staying the course...
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Do you watch the Oxygen network a lot?
 
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we are lucky to have a candidate as sensitive and complex as Obama.

GW was all about compassionate conservatism, Obama is all about sensitive socialism.
 
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TennNC said:
Was the headline inaccurate though?

Hasn't McCain basically acknowledged he's losing the mojo battle with Obama?

Hasn't McCain been very disappointed with the way his campaign has been run, enough to shake up his campaign leadership staff multiple times?

YouTube - John McCain Town Hall Meeting on the Economy in Denver, CO

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/opinion/07kristol.html
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It's a light-hearted shot at LG for claiming uber-conservative bait and switch tactics with the Drudge story.

For the record, I don't see anything wrong with the CNN article but it does leave the impression that McCain's campaign isn't going well and that he is parroting Bush policies simply to be elected.

In otherwords, I don't see this as evidence of an uber-liberal bait and switch any more than LG's examples of uber-conservative bait and switch. It's typical 24 hour cycle media.
 
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TennNC said:
I'm not going to vote for him, but if I were advising him, I'd tell him he needs to be branded as a bad ass. Obama's more sensitive and complex. McCain can be bullish and simple.
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Could it be he gives this impression because his policy view points are relatively unarticulated? He's been doing a lot of clarification lately and what might appear to some as a complex and nuanced position appears to others as a shifting attempt to find the right position at the moment.
 
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volinbham said:
Could it be he gives this impression because his policy view points are relatively unarticulated? He's been doing a lot of clarification lately and what might appear to some as a complex and nuanced position appears to others as a shifting attempt to find the right position at the moment.
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Just like John McCain?
 
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