Which Defense Is Better? UGA-TN

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OrangeSquare

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Most of you reading this will say UGA right off of the bat. You look too much at half of the stats without giving them proper weight. I will attempt to break things down a little deeper.

I believe not only is Tennessee's Defense better than Georgia's, but that THIS YEARS Tennessee Defense is JUST as good as last year's.

OK, Everyone wants to talk about Georgia's PPG as why their D is so good. They better anyway, because they way they let a JUCO RB run over them last night, and the way they allowed Colorado's 0-5 QB and RB combo to shread them, their strength sure isn't Run Defense.

Georgia has only allowed 6.8 point per game. Awesome right? WRONG. Here is who they have played, that team's offensive points per game this season, and the outcome vs. Georgia.

Western Kentucky They are a DivII team so I didn't bother looking their stats up. Georgia allowed 12 points and won 48-12.

South Carolina- Avg. 20.8 ppg and lost to UGA 18-0 (UGA's BEST D of the season)

UAB- They are avg 11.0 ppg and lost to UGA 34-0

Colorado- They are avg 9.8 ppg and lost to UGA 14-13

Mississippi- They are avg 12.2 ppg and lost to UGA 14-9

Not exactly world beating are they? In comparison here is Tennessee's.

California- They are avg. 38.4 ppg They lost to TN 35-18

Air Force- They are avg. 28.3 ppg and lost to TN 31-30

Florida- They are avg. 30.2 ppg and won 21-20.

Marshall- They are avg. 19.5 ppg and lost 33-7.

Memphis- They are avg. 21.25 ppg and lost 41-7

Hmmm, so Tennessee opponents lowest ppg avg is 19.5, yet as a TEAM Tennessee's D is holding opponents to an avg of 16.6 while UGA's opponents lowest ppg avg is 9.8 and they are allowing an avg of 6.8

You decide, is UGA as GOOD on D as you thought, or are the opponents playing a factor in their numbers?

Now, on to Tennessee 06 vs. 05.

The offense is certainly better, outscoring the 05 Vols 160-95 for a 32 ppg avg to 19 ppg avg.

The defense however, is holding it's own too. In 05, thru five games, Tennessee had allowed 90 points or 18 ppg. In 06 Tennessee has allowed 83 points for a 16.6 average.

Here is Tennessee 05's first 5 opponents and their ppg avg thru 5 games....

UAB- Avg. 28.8 and scored 10.
Florida- Avg. 28.2 and scored 16.
LSU- Avg. 30.8 and scored 27.
Miss- Avg. 16.8 and scored 10.
UGA- Avg. 31.8 and scored 27.

You add all those averages up and get 136.4 points, you divide that by 5 games and you get 27.28.

You add Tennessee 06 opponents averages and you get 137.65 points and dividing that by 5 games you get 27.53.

What does all this mean? Not a whole lot, but it does say this...

1) UGA is not as good a Defensive Football Team as some people want to say they are.

2) Tennessee is a better Defensive Football Team than some people want to say they are.

3) Not only are they better than people want to admit, but they are atleast keeping par with last year's stout D in points allowed, despite the gradution and injury losses.

Don't poor-mouth our team guys and gals. We are a pretty darn good football team right now, and they are working hard every day to get better. We have a chance to go down and beat a division rival and keep ourselves in the hunt for something special be it a division title and shot at an SEC title or a major bowl game.

GO VOLS BEAT THE DAWGS!!!!!!
 
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Our defense is good as long as the opposing team is not running the option or quarterback draw !
 
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You lost me at, "This year's Tennessee defense is justa s good as last years."
 
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I don't know if this year's D is as good as last year. I think we need to play a few more games before that can be determined. Georgia needs to play a few more games, as well. I don't think Georgia's weak schedule is a true indicator of any defensive weakness. However, it's also tough to use that as an indicator of defensive strength. Nobody has put up more than 13 points against Georgia. That's pretty good, regardless of the competition. Georgia's defenses the past few years have been so good, that it's not unreasonable to assume they will be good again this year. I'm not sure if our defense is better than theirs. However, I think our guys are plenty good enough to contain their offense. As long as Georgia doesn't get any points on defense or special teams, we should win this game.
 
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I agree.

Coaching should strongly focus on stopping the UGA running game. They appear to be shooting themselves in the feet too often with the pass game. The recievers drop way too many balls, and Stafford- their freshman QB, hasn't learned how to put "touch" or "finess" on the ball yet. Seems he just rockets everything.

Our secondary should not have many problems in shutting them down on the pass.
 
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Well we should have shut out Memphis and Marshall. Against Cal we let up and put ppl from the crowd in to play D and we let them score. So we should have really shut them out too.
 
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I think Georgia's D-fense wil be one of the best we face. Right up there with Flordia and LSU. I don't think they will have a much success stoping the run as Florida did agaist us. I think our offense is improving week after week. I said the same thing though before we faced the Gators. The bottom line is the running game. We have to stop Georgia from running the ball. And they have to stop us. We have struggled at times running the ball so far. But in the last two games I think inserting Coker and getting Foster back plus the way the coaching staff has challenged the O-line as well as some of the changes up front will make a difference. But being on the road we have to get something out of the running game. I think we will.

As far as stopping the run? Jury is still out. Losing Harell realy hurts us. Mcbride has played his tail off. But the other D-lineman haven't impressed me. We have to find someone to really step their game up in the D-line inside. We also have to stopped the tight ends from killing us. They have murdered us with those big tight ends running up the field catching passes in the past. Are we better than last year? Secondary-yes, Linebackers-push, D-line - no way. Overall - pretty close but in this conference you have to stop the run. We will see Saturday.
 
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It's impossible to offer much of an evaluation of UGA's defense given their opponents. We are really their first true test. They did do a number on South Carolina, but I really don't think SC had much at the time.
 
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Didn't SC turn the ball over 2 or 3 times inside the redzone against Georgia? Even when they weren't hitting on all cylinders, they still had many chances to put points on the board.
 
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If Harrell was in the line up there would be no question.....UT.
 
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tidwell said:
Didn't SC turn the ball over 2 or 3 times inside the redzone against Georgia? Even when they weren't hitting on all cylinders, they still had many chances to put points on the board.
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They fumbled twice inside the Georgia 5 yard line. Georgia is absolutely charmed. Between SC's fumbles, Colorado's inexplicable clock management and getting a punt block nullified against Ole Miss, UGA could easily have a couple of losses right now. Things have really bounced their way so far.
 
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OS, its all nice and dandy, but your stats are only a portion of the analysis that SHOULD be done. Just because you present those stats doesn't make your opinion definitive.
 
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This defense is faster than the defense last year but I don't think they tackle quite as well yet. I would say that the scoring analysis while somewhat comparable does not capture the "bend but don't break" style of defense they seem to revert to from time to time.

What you talkin about willis? Willis WG is right. McBride needs to demand more double teams because Karl does not have the size to get off of blocks. The Vols need to establish an inside presence going into the meat of their SEC schedule.
 
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VolinArizona- If you don't like these, please present some that fits your agenda. These are as complete as there can be, there has only been 5 games played. I'm talking about scoring defense, and so I can only use the score from the five games played.

Lex- Excellent Analysis. I certainly think that there are aspects of this year's defense that isn't as impressive as last year's, but on the field, and in the scoring department, they are hanging tough.

Not sure I agree about Karl, he's got a motor, and he is a pretty good force. McBride and Karl aren't even on the same side of the field usually, so Karl wouldn't benefit from Turk's double teaming. I've seen Karl come all the way around and make a tackle from behind a few times this season.
 
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OS, I do hope you are correct. But UGA usually plays pretty vanilla until they play us. I believe they will bring a lot of pressure on Ainge and their secondary usually are sure tacklers in the open field. If we can't run the ball some then we could be in trouble. Conversely, if we can't stop the run we're dead.
 
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OrangeSquare said:
VolinArizona- If you don't like these, please present some that fits your agenda. These are as complete as there can be, there has only been 5 games played. I'm talking about scoring defense, and so I can only use the score from the five games played.

Lex- Excellent Analysis. I certainly think that there are aspects of this year's defense that isn't as impressive as last year's, but on the field, and in the scoring department, they are hanging tough.

Not sure I agree about Karl, he's got a motor, and he is a pretty good force. McBride and Karl aren't even on the same side of the field usually, so Karl wouldn't benefit from Turk's double teaming. I've seen Karl come all the way around and make a tackle from behind a few times this season.
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Just because I haven't 100% embraced your analysis doesn't mean I have an "agenda." You should know by now that I analyze everything in every game of every team. Allow me some time, and I very well might agree with you. But please don't say I have an agenda, it's insulting.
 
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You're being awful sensitive about my word choice aren't you.

You don't have to embrace my analysis, doesn't matter to me either way.

My use of "agenda" simply meant for you to bring some stats that fit what you believe.
 
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OrangeSquare said:
Most of you reading this will say UGA right off of the bat. You look too much at half of the stats without giving them proper weight. I will attempt to break things down a little deeper.

I believe not only is Tennessee's Defense better than Georgia's, but that THIS YEARS Tennessee Defense is JUST as good as last year's.

OK, Everyone wants to talk about Georgia's PPG as why their D is so good. They better anyway, because they way they let a JUCO RB run over them last night, and the way they allowed Colorado's 0-5 QB and RB combo to shread them, their strength sure isn't Run Defense.

Georgia has only allowed 6.8 point per game. Awesome right? WRONG. Here is who they have played, that team's offensive points per game this season, and the outcome vs. Georgia.

Western Kentucky They are a DivII team so I didn't bother looking their stats up. Georgia allowed 12 points and won 48-12.

South Carolina- Avg. 20.8 ppg and lost to UGA 18-0 (UGA's BEST D of the season)

UAB- They are avg 11.0 ppg and lost to UGA 34-0

Colorado- They are avg 9.8 ppg and lost to UGA 14-13

Mississippi- They are avg 12.2 ppg and lost to UGA 14-9

Not exactly world beating are they? In comparison here is Tennessee's.

California- They are avg. 38.4 ppg They lost to TN 35-18

Air Force- They are avg. 28.3 ppg and lost to TN 31-30

Florida- They are avg. 30.2 ppg and won 21-20.

Marshall- They are avg. 19.5 ppg and lost 33-7.

Memphis- They are avg. 21.25 ppg and lost 41-7

Hmmm, so Tennessee opponents lowest ppg avg is 19.5, yet as a TEAM Tennessee's D is holding opponents to an avg of 16.6 while UGA's opponents lowest ppg avg is 9.8 and they are allowing an avg of 6.8

You decide, is UGA as GOOD on D as you thought, or are the opponents playing a factor in their numbers?

Now, on to Tennessee 06 vs. 05.

The offense is certainly better, outscoring the 05 Vols 160-95 for a 32 ppg avg to 19 ppg avg.

The defense however, is holding it's own too. In 05, thru five games, Tennessee had allowed 90 points or 18 ppg. In 06 Tennessee has allowed 83 points for a 16.6 average.

Here is Tennessee 05's first 5 opponents and their ppg avg thru 5 games....

UAB- Avg. 28.8 and scored 10.
Florida- Avg. 28.2 and scored 16.
LSU- Avg. 30.8 and scored 27.
Miss- Avg. 16.8 and scored 10.
UGA- Avg. 31.8 and scored 27.

You add all those averages up and get 136.4 points, you divide that by 5 games and you get 27.28.

You add Tennessee 06 opponents averages and you get 137.65 points and dividing that by 5 games you get 27.53.

What does all this mean? Not a whole lot, but it does say this...

1) UGA is not as good a Defensive Football Team as some people want to say they are.

2) Tennessee is a better Defensive Football Team than some people want to say they are.

3) Not only are they better than people want to admit, but they are atleast keeping par with last year's stout D in points allowed, despite the gradution and injury losses.

Don't poor-mouth our team guys and gals. We are a pretty darn good football team right now, and they are working hard every day to get better. We have a chance to go down and beat a division rival and keep ourselves in the hunt for something special be it a division title and shot at an SEC title or a major bowl game.

GO VOLS BEAT THE DAWGS!!!!!!
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Excellent post, thanks for putting the time in to present that. Its one thing to lob a position out there, and another to have the statistics to back it up.

I'm feeling better and better about our chances to win as each hour passes.
 
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checkerboard_charly said:
Well we should have shut out Memphis and Marshall. Against Cal we let up and put ppl from the crowd in to play D and we let them score. So we should have really shut them out too.
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Good point - an especially good point to remember in the comparison versus UGA. We have allowed at least 25 "trash" points this year - or points that were allowed after the outcome bad been decided. Georgia has had more games stay close, thus keeping in first teamers and playing while the outcome was still in doubt.

Hard to put a quantitative figure on that, but qualitatively, our stats are somewhat compromised versus jawja's because of the fact we've been involved in more blowouts.
 
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OrangeSquare said:
Most of you reading this will say UGA right off of the bat. You look too much at half of the stats without giving them proper weight. I will attempt to break things down a little deeper.

THIS YEARS Tennessee Defense is JUST as good as last year's.




GO VOLS BEAT THE DAWGS!!!!!!
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The problem I have with your reasoning is this, last year our offense could not stay on the field. If our offense had stayed half as long on the field as they have this year, we probably would be talking about one of the greatest defenses of all time.(last years) They were a top ten defense last year, and were on the field most of every game. Can you imagine what their stats would have been, with this years offense shortening the time that the opposing offense had on the field. I dont think this defense is anywhere near what it was last year, but i think we are better than Ga.

GO VOLS!!!!!!!
 
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THIS YEARS Tennessee Defense is JUST as good as last year's.
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No way. We definately dont have the pass-rush from the d-line like last year, I would take Gaither and Simon over any of our starting linebackers, and our secondary was everyone from this year plus Jason Allen.
 
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