Whitlock: Why Duke is really the #1 overall seed

#2
#2
I was on board with him, until this little tidbit......

On a more serious note, Duke (and North Carolina to a lesser degree) score higher on the old "eyeball" test. Fewer tattoos and more white guys.

I just made many of you uncomfortable. Sorry. But it's a fact.
 
#5
#5
I was on board with him, until this little tidbit......

I'm with you. He can't say all the talent that would draw is in the NBA, then with a straight face say white non tatted is THE draw for Duke when his list of NBA draws is nothing but black, tatted guys.

The remainder is right. The coaches are now the stars. It's an awful spot for the game, but you have to have some continuity to be the star. Hell, most people couldn't have picked this year's POY out in an elementary school play. You need name recognition or people to identify with / hate. When the best are automatically gone as players, you default to the coaches.
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#8
#8
I didn't have a problem with Duke being a #1 seed.

I did take issue with Duke being the 3rd #1 seed ahead of Syracuse.
 
#10
#10
He left out the obvious. Someone on this board said Coach K was on the freaking selection committee of 10 people. How is that not a conflict of interest? Is it any surprise then he gives himself the easiest road to the final 4.
 
#13
#13
the commisioner from the big 12, AD from Xavier, Wake Forrest, UCLA, Ohio State, Uconn, and Kent State are on it.
 
#15
#15
Wow. Shocker. He played the race card. I did not expect that when I saw this thread.
 
#16
#16
I'm just shocked that Whitlock managed to interject race into one of his articles. Just stunned.
Good one tid. I've read a bunch of Whitlock's articles, emailed him about his not too veiled racism (even got a reply from him) and generally enjoy his stuff but to bring up the need for white guys in the lineup when he's in Kansas is laughable to the extreme. :eek:lol: Can we use the pot calling the kettle...... maybe not.
 
#19
#19
I'm with you. He can't say all the talent that would draw is in the NBA, then with a straight face say white non tatted is THE draw for Duke when his list of NBA draws is nothing but black, tatted guys.

The remainder is right. The coaches are now the stars. It's an awful spot for the game, but you have to have some continuity to be the star. Hell, most people couldn't have picked this year's POY out in an elementary school play. You need name recognition or people to identify with / hate. When the best are automatically gone as players, you default to the coaches.
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I disagree with you here. I do think that part of draw to Duke is based on the team as a whole, which is usually majority caucasian. Many, if not all of the NBA players he referenced transcend the game, and it just so happens that they are black, as are the majority of NBA players. Many of those guys are known to people, regardless of how closely they follow the NBA. Furthermore, while I'm not a Duke fan, I do prefer college basketball to the NBA, and as a college fan I can understand where his point is coming from because the ratio of blacks to caucasians in college basketball is smaller. Basketball is THE sport that can be divided along racial lines, if for no other reason than the uniform. Shorts and tank tops leave little to hide behind, as opposed to a helmet and facemask, so it's easy to look at skin color, tattoos, piercings, etc. and decide that person is different from you. Unfortunately, many people connotate tats and cornrows with thugs and gangbangers, thus something they can't/won't support. Very few cornrows and tats to be found on the Duke roster, which makes them appealing to "white" America. Even Boozer (who is covered in tats) and Maggette (I believe he has several) were "clean cut" while at Duke, IIRC. Grant Hill, Shane Battier, and Jason Williams were clean cut and well spoken to boot. Duke vs. UNLV and Duke vs. Michigan (Fab Five) are prime examples of racial bias. Who were the stars on those teams? Duke was lead by Christian Laettner and Bobby Hurley; UNLV by Larry Johnson, and Stacey Augmon; and Michigan by Chris Webber, Jalen Rose, and Juwan Howard. That made it very easy for "white" America to pull for Duke in those games, because it became representative of something else, not just a basketball game. I'm caucasian, and I don't pretend that this bias isn't fact, not just in basketball but in many aspects of life.
 
#20
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I disagree with you here. I do think that part of draw to Duke is based on the team as a whole, which is usually majority caucasian. Many, if not all of the NBA players he referenced transcend the game, and it just so happens that they are black, as are the majority of NBA players. Many of those guys are known to people, regardless of how closely they follow the NBA. Furthermore, while I'm not a Duke fan, I do prefer college basketball to the NBA, and as a college fan I can understand where his point is coming from because the ratio of blacks to caucasians in college basketball is smaller. Basketball is THE sport that can be divided along racial lines, if for no other reason than the uniform. Shorts and tank tops leave little to hide behind, as opposed to a helmet and facemask, so it's easy to look at skin color, tattoos, piercings, etc. and decide that person is different from you. Unfortunately, many people connotate tats and cornrows with thugs and gangbangers, thus something they can't/won't support. Very few cornrows and tats to be found on the Duke roster, which makes them appealing to "white" America. Even Boozer (who is covered in tats) and Maggette (I believe he has several) were "clean cut" while at Duke, IIRC. Grant Hill, Shane Battier, and Jason Williams were clean cut and well spoken to boot. Duke vs. UNLV and Duke vs. Michigan (Fab Five) are prime examples of racial bias. Who were the stars on those teams? Duke was lead by Christian Laettner and Bobby Hurley; UNLV by Larry Johnson, and Stacey Augmon; and Michigan by Chris Webber, Jalen Rose, and Juwan Howard. That made it very easy for "white" America to pull for Duke in those games, because it became representative of something else, not just a basketball game. I'm caucasian, and I don't pretend that this bias isn't fact, not just in basketball but in many aspects of life.

Umm, by the same token can you not say it was easier for black America to pull for UNLV/Michigan using the same criteria?
 
#21
#21
Umm, by the same token can you not say it was easier for black America to pull for UNLV/Michigan using the same criteria?

I'd say that's probably true to the same extent. Don't misunderstand me, I think it's wrong to support a team based solely on racial bias, but I think it does happen. Would you not agree that most television ads are aimed toward the caucasian demographic and most of those companies represented by those ads are lead primarily by caucasian CEO's/boards? Again, I'm not saying it's right, but it's certainly within the realm of possibility.
 
#23
#23
I'm just shocked that Whitlock managed to interject race into one of his articles. Just stunned.
Only this time, it was actually relevent to the column and to his overall message. Lets be honest, the only reason why the NBA isn't popular among the mainstream is because you don't have a Larry Bird type player winning rings anymore. Now that may make some of you feel uncomfortable, but that is the absolute truth... and I usually don't side with Whitlock when he goes on his racial rants. But he is spot on with that comment.
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#24
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Only this time, it was actually relevent to the column and to his overall message. Lets be honest, the only reason why the NBA isn't popular among the mainstream is because you don't have a Larry Bird type player winning rings anymore. Now that may make some of you feel uncomfortable, but that is the absolute truth... and I usually don't side with Whitlock when he goes on his racial rants. But he is spot on with that comment.
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I would like to think most of the country is past this at this point. It's not like there's a shortage of white kids with Lebron and Kobe posters on their walls. Besides, Jordan was always more popular than Bird and their are All-Star level white guys in the NBA now (Dirk, Steve Nash, Gasol, Love), even if most of them are European.

I think falling back on race, especially in sports, is just a lazy way to add a little shock value to the column. This is nothing more than Whitlock trying to get more people to click through his article using concepts that have been discussed to death over the course of 50 years by writers with more depth and talent.
 
#25
#25
Only this time, it was actually relevent to the column and to his overall message. Lets be honest, the only reason why the NBA isn't popular among the mainstream is because you don't have a Larry Bird type player winning rings anymore. Now that may make some of you feel uncomfortable, but that is the absolute truth... and I usually don't side with Whitlock when he goes on his racial rants. But he is spot on with that comment.
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Odd then, that Jordan was the most commercialized and most popular player ever.
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