Who was the most underrated Vol of all time?

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#51
(GAVol @ Jan 21 said:
Somebody threw out Tee Martin as underrated and sort of implied that Peyton Manning was OVERrated.
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I saw the post, nothing implied Peyton was overrated. Just another example of how overly sensitive the Manningites are.
 
#52
#52
Manningites? . . . Oh goody, another label.

Back to the topic . . . How about Aaron Hayden? I don't think he was ever a starter since he played on teams with James Stewart and Charlie Garner, but he was always a dependable backup and 3rd down back.
 
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(jayisavol @ Jan 21 said:
my alltime favorite :eek:k:
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Except for the INT against Nortre Dame with a wide open Alvin Harper in the endzone. Plus the stinkup against Penn State in the Fiesta Bowl. Not to mention taking a sack on fourth down in the final seconds in the attempted comeback against Bama in Legion field when he was a soph.(Why would anyone take a sack on 4th down?). :banghead:

Guess nobodys perfect.
 
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(rockydoc @ Jan 21 said:
Except for the INT against Nortre Dame with a wide open Alvin Harper in the endzone. Plus the stinkup against Penn State in the Fiesta Bowl. Not to mention taking a sack on fourth down in the final seconds in the attempted comeback against Bama in Legion field when he was a soph.(Why would anyone take a sack on 4th down?). :banghead:

Guess nobodys perfect.
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whatabout the comeback against nd , against eventual nc colorado, against .......nevermind
 
#57
#57
(jayisavol @ Jan 21 said:
whatabout the comeback against nd , against eventual nc colorado, against .......nevermind
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Sugar Bowl against Virginia
 
#58
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(hatvol96 @ Jan 21 said:
I saw the post, nothing implied Peyton was overrated. Just another example of how overly sensitive the Manningites are.
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I'd be interested in hearing what you have against Manning.

This is, afterall, a Tennessee fan site. Why would posting the accomplishments of the QB who holds more records than any other QB in Vol history be considered a bad thing?

In response to the original poster's comments comparing Martin to Manning a list of Manning's accomplishments seemed reasonable.

Why do his accomplishments annoy you? I'd really like to hear. Manningites; that's a strange thing for a Vol fan to say.
 
#59
#59
(OldVol @ Jan 21 said:
I'd be interested in hearing what you have against Manning.

This is, afterall, a Tennessee fan site. Why would posting the accomplishments of the QB who holds more records than any other QB in Vol history be considered a bad thing?

In response to the original poster's comments comparing Martin to Manning a list of Manning's accomplishments seemed reasonable.

Why do his accomplishments annoy you? I'd really like to hear. Manningites; that's a strange thing for a Vol fan to say.
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he hates anything to do with the vols.. he just messed up when he did his screen name... hatvol96 you forgot the E it should be hatevol96
 
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(Jmxvol @ Jan 21 said:
Leonard Little
Dwayne Goodrich
Brent Schaeffer
Eric Locke
James Banks
Brian Darden
Tony McDaniel
Rick Clausen
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I think James Banks was overrated. He made some really clutch plays, but he dropped a lot of easy passes, too. He also looked like crap in the one half he was allowed to play in the Peach Bowl against Clemson. They should have kept him on the bench for disciplinary reasons, and played the young guys more (Chris Hannon, CJ Fayton, etc.).

As for an underrated player, I always thought Julian Battle was pretty good.
 
#62
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So if i put them in the same sentence means i was saying Manning was overrated. I don't think so . This is a underrated post. Maybe i should start a new post on why people are so quick to defend Manning for everything good the Vols have done after he left.
 
#63
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(OldVol @ Jan 21 said:
I'd be interested in hearing what you have against Manning.

This is, afterall, a Tennessee fan site. Why would posting the accomplishments of the QB who holds more records than any other QB in Vol history be considered a bad thing?

In response to the original poster's comments comparing Martin to Manning a list of Manning's accomplishments seemed reasonable.

Why do his accomplishments annoy you? I'd really like to hear. Manningites; that's a strange thing for a Vol fan to say.
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Your respose is a perfect example of the phenomenon I'm describing. Nowhere in the initial post is there a comparison between Manning and Martin. The poster is simply making a valid point as to how overlooked he believes Tee was. Immediately, you took that as an affront to Saint Peyton and launched into an irrelevant, voluminous statistical thome. There is a considerable portion of the UT fan base who act as if we should all fall to our knees at the altar of Manning. I, on the other hand, tend to think he is just one in a long line of Tennessee greats. Our fan's behavior after the '97 Heisman vote still irks me. I'm a born and raised Tennessean, with an undergrad and a law degree from UT and I would have voted for Charles Woodson. Our fans acted as if the Heisman voters had conspired with Bruno Haupman to kill the the Lindbergh baby. The entire furor made us look like a bunch of provincial rubes. The Manningites blaming everyone but Peyton for the Colts inability to win, or for that matter even reach, a Super Bowl is another source of bemusement. I'm pretty sure Tennesse did play football before Manning arrived in Knoxville, but, after reading the work of many of those on this board, I'm not so sure anymore. No player in Tennessee history has ever received such a disproportionate amount of credit for his team's success, while being immune from blame for team failures.
 
#64
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(Volman1970 @ Jan 21 said:
So if i put them in the same sentence means i was saying Manning was overrated. I don't think so . This is a underrated post. Maybe i should start a new post on why people are so quick to defend Manning for everything good the Vols have done after he left.
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Don't you realize that by having been in Manning's presence, the '98 team was enured with powers beyond the comprehension of the non-Manningites?
 
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#65
Thanks Hatevols96 for being the only one who didn't think i was comparing them.. For a person to go out of his way to go hunt and find everything great on Manning has to much time on his hand(even typed it to)We all knew people are judged on how namy CHAMPIONSHIPS they win. Some probably don't .Manning could go on and throw for 150,000 yards 800 td's and not win a ring but if Brady win 7 RINGS i will say Brady is the best.
 
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(checkerboard_charly @ Jan 21 said:
i have a good one that we forgot.


robert peace.
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I'll add Raynoch Thompson to the list too.
 
#68
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(hatvol96 @ Jan 21 said:
Your respose is a perfect example of the phenomenon I'm describing. Nowhere in the initial post is there a comparison between Manning and Martin. The poster is simply making a valid point as to how overlooked he believes Tee was. Immediately, you took that as an affront to Saint Peyton and launched into an irrelevant, voluminous statistical thome. There is a considerable portion of the UT fan base who act as if we should all fall to our knees at the altar of Manning. I, on the other hand, tend to think he is just one in a long line of Tennessee greats. Our fan's behavior after the '97 Heisman vote still irks me. I'm a born and raised Tennessean, with an undergrad and a law degree from UT and I would have voted for Charles Woodson. Our fans acted as if the Heisman voters had conspired with Bruno Haupman to kill the the Lindbergh baby. The entire furor made us look like a bunch of provincial rubes. The Manningites blaming everyone but Peyton for the Colts inability to win, or for that matter even reach, a Super Bowl is another source of bemusement. I'm pretty sure Tennesse did play football before Manning arrived in Knoxville, but, after reading the work of many of those on this board, I'm not so sure anymore. No player in Tennessee history has ever received such a disproportionate amount of credit for his team's success, while being immune from blame for team failures.
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There was a comparison made in the initial post. It might aid your argument, in your mind, to ignore the obvious, but it was not just inferred, it was stated.

You can believe what you wish about the 97 Heisman, I couldn't care less. I also couldn't disagree more. It also doesn't bother me how the outcry affected you. That's just your opinion. That you are capable of being a Vol fan and have negative feelings about them too doesn't make you any wiser or nobler than those of us who choose to look on the positive side. It is, after all, only a game. I don't think you'll be elevated intellectually because you feel you're so objective.
 
#70
#70
I always felt Will Overstreet did amazing things considering his size, but what a heart!!!!!
 
#71
#71
(OldVol @ Jan 21 said:
There was a comparison made in the initial post. It might aid your argument, in your mind, to ignore the obvious, but it was not just inferred, it was stated.

You can believe what you wish about the 97 Heisman, I couldn't care less. I also couldn't disagree more. It also doesn't bother me how the outcry affected you. That's just your opinion. That you are capable of being a Vol fan and have negative feelings about them too doesn't make you any wiser or nobler than those of us who choose to look on the positive side. It is, after all, only a game. I don't think you'll be elevated intellectually because you feel you're so objective.
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Please reference any portion of the initial post in question that shows any comparison between Martin and Manning.
 
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(Volman1970 @ Jan 21 said:
Thanks Hatevols96 for being the only one who didn't think i was comparing them.. For a person to go out of his way to go hunt and find everything great on Manning has to much time on his hand(even typed it to)We all knew people are judged on how namy CHAMPIONSHIPS they win. Some probably don't .Manning could go on and throw for 150,000 yards 800 td's and not win a ring but if Brady win 7 RINGS i will say Brady is the best.
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Why do people judge quaterbacks on number of rings? You don't hear the same for other positions. Besides, with this mentality, you are saying that Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett, etc. were better than Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, and to this point, Peyton Manning. I just find this comparison silly. Teams are judged by championships not Players, unless of course you are talking individual sports(eg. tennis, golf, boxing).
 
#73
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(jessiej86 @ Jan 22 said:
Why do people judge quaterbacks on number of rings? You don't hear the same for other positions. Besides, with this mentality, you are saying that Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett, etc. were better than Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, and to this point, Peyton Manning. I just find this comparison silly. Teams are judged by championships not Players, unless of course you are talking individual sports(eg. tennis, golf, boxing).
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Because they WIN. That in the end is what counts. Championships!! Stats are nice and you get a plaque or a nice certificate to put on your garage wall. All would rather have titles and rings.
 
#74
#74
(jayisavol @ Jan 21 said:
billy rattlife and bill duff :clapping:
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Duff is a good one. 10 years later I can still see him hammering Eddie George in the backfield on 4th down to seal the win over Ohio State.
 
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