Who will be QB against missouri??????

#77
#77
Some of you guys are saying theres some Worley hate thats contributing to the desire for Dobbs but I believe there has to be some Worley love from some of you who are still wanting him to start against Missouri. I just can't see how anyone would want him to continue to be the starter without some favoritism.

For you that say Worley gets unfair criticism, i would say thats what happens when you play so inconsistent. From the little time i saw Dobbs today i would confidently say he is an upgrade in every possible way.
 
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T2P_Priceless said:
Dude, screw the stats. Dobbs looked better in every aspect, except for calling the plays quickly.

He threw the ball accurately with zip, made great reads, checked down often, didn't stare down receivers, he can run AND more importantly WILL.
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Can he catch the ball also, because our receivers has more than a few drops today and this year.
 
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T2P_Priceless said:
Dude, screw the stats. Dobbs looked better in every aspect, except for calling the plays quickly.

He threw the ball accurately with zip, made great reads, checked down often, didn't stare down receivers, he can run AND more importantly WILL.
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Dude... the stats are a reflection of what how he played.... against the back ups. Again, if Jones chooses to start him and preps him then I will be all for that decision. If Worley is healed then I can support that too. This isn't a clear cut situation. Dobbs does add some elements and did some nice things. The hate on Worley has gone well past ridiculous. The guy has done a good job in a tough situation. Based on what we saw and the scant practice reports... he probably shouldn't have played with his hand.

Come on...
 
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if worley had played 4 solid quarters against uga and usc i would say him but hes been streaky and he is just physically inferior to dobbs. we tried to hold dobbs red shirt and couldnt...might as well see what hes got. if he looks bad against mizzou then go back to worley so we can get our 6 wins against auburn/vandy/kentucky
 
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sjt18 said:
Dude... the stats are a reflection of what how he played.... against the back ups. Again, if Jones chooses to start him and preps him then I will be all for that decision. If Worley is healed then I can support that too. This isn't a clear cut situation. Dobbs does add some elements and did some nice things. The hate on Worley has gone well past ridiculous. The guy has done a good job in a tough situation. Based on what we saw and the scant practice reports... he probably shouldn't have played with his hand.

Come on...
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Again, Dobbs should've been 10/12 and could've been 11/12. Every ball thrown except one was very catchable, and 4 of them should've been caught. He was on target for 90% of his throws and his timing was not off. He also moved very well in and out of the pocket. He was very impressive. I don't hate Riley as a player and he's had his share of drops this year too, but Dobbs has a nicer touch and looked more accurate today, and is also a better fit for Jones' offense.
 
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SouthernSmoke said:
Some of you guys are saying theres some Worley hate thats contributing to the desire for Dobbs but I believe there has to be some Worley love from some of you who are still wanting him to start against Missouri. I just can't see how anyone would want him to continue to be the starter without some favoritism.
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Well, you can look at maturity and completions today in spite of drops and misplays by the WR's. You can also look at the runs he's made at this point. Dobbs' RS is gone. There is no longer a reason for the coaches to tell Worley not to pull it on the read option. You can bet your house that he was told that before to keep from playing the Fr due to him getting injured.

For you that say Worley gets unfair criticism, i would say thats what happens when you play so inconsistent. From the little time i saw Dobbs today i would confidently say he is an upgrade in every possible way.
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5/12 vs back ups is not an upgrade over 8/15 vs starters... while playing with an injured thumb.

I like both. In fact, I can pull for any of the 4 equally. I don't think I'd be any more receptive if you were unfairly criticizing Dobbs. He did in fact do some nice things. He probably completes some of those balls against any secondary other than Bama's. They break on the ball better than anyone in the country.

But Worley HAS improved. WR play hurt the Vols today more than QB play from either guy. That's not a condemnation. The WR's just have to keep growing. This will give the coaches an excellent opportunity to teach them to better shield the ball with their bodies and to break their routes off sharp rather than rolling them.
 
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perico said:
Again, Dobbs should've been 10/12 and could've been 11/12. Every ball thrown except one was very catchable, and 4 of them should've been caught. He was on target for 90% of his throws and his timing was not off. He also moved very well in and out of the pocket. He was very impressive. I don't hate Riley as a player and he's had his share of drops this year too, but Dobbs has a nicer touch and looked more accurate today, and is also a better fit for Jones' offense.
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If it is fair to give him credit for balls that should have been caught then do the same for Worley. He should have been no worse than 11/15 by that standard. His first two passes were absolutely perfect... among the best he's thrown all year. Croom went alligator arms. Downs tripped over his own feet. Blanc just flat out quit on one of those short routes making Worley look like he'd thrown it way outside.

Worley had a couple also where Bama defenders played through the defender to knock a catchable ball away. Both QB's lost some completions to receivers not using their bodies or coming back to get the ball.
 
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If Jones was telling Worley not to keep the ball on the read (thus making our offense easier to defend which makes us easier to beat) because he didn't want to burn a RS I'd question whether or not we got the right coach.

That said I don't buy that for a second.
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sjt18 said:
If it is fair to give him credit for balls that should have been caught then do the same for Worley. He should have been no worse than 11/15 by that standard. His first two passes were absolutely perfect... among the best he's thrown all year. Croom went alligator arms. Downs tripped over his own feet. Blanc just flat out quit on one of those short routes making Worley look like he'd thrown it way outside.

Worley had a couple also where Bama defenders played through the defender to knock a catchable ball away. Both QB's lost some completions to receivers not using their bodies or coming back to get the ball.
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I said that Worley's had plenty of drops as well. However, there are those 2 Ints, one was a pick 6 and absolutely abysmal throw. Granted, it may have had more to do with his thumb, but Worley has a 10/8 TD ratio for the season and an 11/13 ratio for his career. Even at his best, he's looked competent if unspectacular the entire season, and has a 54-55% completion pct.. If he had great mobility, that would make it more acceptable, but he doesn't seem capable of much more than that.
 
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On top of that, Worley hasn't completed 60% of his passes in a game since Austin Peay, and even then, he wasn't overly impressive. Look at the stats.

31-Aug Austin Peay 11 13 104 84.6 23 3 0 228
7-Sep Western KY 11 19 142 57.9 37 1 1 127.5
14-Sep @Oregon 13 25 126 52.0 51 1 0 107.5
21-Sep @Florida 10 23 149 43.5 32 1 2 94.8
28-Sep South Alabama 20 36 204 55.6 29 2 3 104.8
5-Oct Georgia 17 31 215 54.8 33 1 0 123.7
19-Oct South Carolina 19 34 179 55.9 48 1 0 109.8
26-Oct @Alabama 8 15 120 53.3 43 0 2 93.9

Since AP, the only time he completed 56% of his passes was the WKU game. 3 picks against an awful South Alabama team. These aren't good numbers, regardless.
 
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sjt18 said:
Well, you can look at maturity and completions today in spite of drops and misplays by the WR's. You can also look at the runs he's made at this point. Dobbs' RS is gone. There is no longer a reason for the coaches to tell Worley not to pull it on the read option. You can bet your house that he was told that before to keep from playing the Fr due to him getting injured.
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sjt18 said:
Whether the coachs were telling Worley not to keep it or not, Dobbs had what seems like the longest read option QB run of the season on his second series ever. I would rather have Dobbs running.


5/12 vs back ups is not an upgrade over 8/15 vs starters... while playing with an injured thumb.

You leave out a key stat- 2 ints. Dobbs had one bad pass as far as i could tell. He threw the best deep ball ive seen all year...by far. Worley's long passes just hang in the air way too long and are often underthrown. The announcer pointed it out on that long pass when the receiver (Blanc?) had to stop and wait. I'd rather have Dobbs passing.

I like both. In fact, I can pull for any of the 4 equally. I don't think I'd be any more receptive if you were unfairly criticizing Dobbs. He did in fact do some nice things. He probably completes some of those balls against any secondary other than Bama's. They break on the ball better than anyone in the country.

Dobbs playing the way he did in his first college game against that defense certainly gave me hope for next week...Worley not so much.

But Worley HAS improved. WR play hurt the Vols today more than QB play from either guy. That's not a condemnation. The WR's just have to keep growing. This will give the coaches an excellent opportunity to teach them to better shield the ball with their bodies and to break their routes off sharp rather than rolling them.

I agree he has improved but at this point it seems clear, to me, he just doesn't have what it takes to win in the SEC. I'd love to know how many completely uncatchable balls Worley has thrown so far this season.

It's more surprising to me when he hits a receiver in stride than him throwing a wobbly pass into triple coverage that wasn't picked only because it was so far off target.
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#91
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Who starts? Whoever gives us the best chance to best Missouri? If that is a healthy Worley then so be it. If it is Dobbs, then play him. The WR have to catch the ball, though. I think there were at least 4 or 5 drops today on catchable balls.
 
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sjt18 said:
Why is that? Worley played hurt against Bama's starters and went 8/15 for 120.

I like Dobbs but he was 5/12 for 75 yards against Bama's back ups.


I don't want anything more nor less than for Jones to start the guy who gives UT the best chance to win. I honestly wish Jones had not waited so long to replace Worley today because of the hand. But I think the hate for Worley drives most of you more than anything else.
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Overstatement.

The UT touchdown drive led by Dobbs was against the Bama starting defense.
 
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sjt18 said:
Why is that? Worley played hurt against Bama's starters and went 8/15 for 120.

I like Dobbs but he was 5/12 for 75 yards against Bama's back ups.


I don't want anything more nor less than for Jones to start the guy who gives UT the best chance to win. I honestly wish Jones had not waited so long to replace Worley today because of the hand. But I think the hate for Worley drives most of you more than anything else.
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Stats do not always show the real situation. Our young receivers dropped 5 catchable passes. The 5 drops were on target and in stride. Dobbs threw only 1 bad pass. With that said, CBJ will put the best qb on the field. Imo, Dobbs
 
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#95
i think Justin Worley showed improvements over the Georgia and South Carolina games but once against fell apart against Alabama. He did make a couple big passes but could never capitalize on them.

If Dobbs doesn't start from here on out then the coaching staff is crazy. Worley has done thrown 13 interceptions this year and if their goal is 6 wins they're going to be very hard to get with inconsistency from our quarterback.

I think Dobbs is better built to play with the combination of Marquez North, Alton Howard, Raijon Neal and Marlin Lane.
 
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sjt18 said:
If it is fair to give him credit for balls that should have been caught then do the same for Worley. He should have been no worse than 11/15 by that standard. His first two passes were absolutely perfect... among the best he's thrown all year. Croom went alligator arms. Downs tripped over his own feet. Blanc just flat out quit on one of those short routes making Worley look like he'd thrown it way outside.

Worley had a couple also where Bama defenders played through the defender to knock a catchable ball away. Both QB's lost some completions to receivers not using their bodies or coming back to get the ball.
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If he has a broken thumb he should not play. You can't throw a dang football correctly.
 
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sjt18 said:
Why is that? Worley played hurt against Bama's starters and went 8/15 for 120.

I like Dobbs but he was 5/12 for 75 yards against Bama's back ups.


I don't want anything more nor less than for Jones to start the guy who gives UT the best chance to win. I honestly wish Jones had not waited so long to replace Worley today because of the hand. But I think the hate for Worley drives most of you more than anything else.
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Come on 18, you're a reasonable guy. Dobbs played better than 5-12. He was the victim of 3 drops and he didn't play vs Bama's backups. Bama had all of their starters in for the 3rd and many were still in til midway thru the 4th. I agree it's not apples to apples given that the game was long lost by half, but Dobbs looked poised, accurate and athletic in his first collegiate start... at Tuscaloosa.... Vs the #1 team in the country.

I'm not blaming the first half performance of the team on Worley like a lot if the knee jerks on here. I think he played fairly well and would've looked much better had Downs, Smith and boys (other than North) not dropped all those passes. But I'm more than comfortable with Butch giving a poised, more athletic freshman the nod vs Mizzou.
 
#100
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I say Dobbs. But I haven't predicted any of Butch's decisions correctly yet so maybe I'm the wrong one to ask.
 
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