Why We Cant Recruit Memphis

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rexvol

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from another board regarding Long...

EastMemphisVol tried to call the UT to tell them, mid-way

in the recruiting process, when the new staff was being hired,
about this young man and others. His calls were not returned.

People in Memphis tried to tell 'em. I have known EMVol a long time, although nowhere as long as Roy, Dr. Bill, Ron and others have.

EMV used to run a recruiting service. Chuck is still wired into the football talent pool, is respected and is 100% Vol. This is not the first negative report I had heard, that follow up without a strong salesman or two is not the long suite at UT, now that Phillip is allowing more people to do more of the recruiting. When he was the primary recruiter, NOBODY outworked him.

I had heard those calls were made when PF had the vacancies to fill. To me it is amazing that somebody---a grad assistant, etc,etc---could not get back to Chuck just to be polite and respectful---since he EMV is wired into h.s. talent in a good, positive way, is a known UT friend & ethical & positive.
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Earlier this week, I was in my old stomping grounds on business, and saw some friends---strong UT fans

Also I have heard rumors from friends in "the City," as Memphians like to call their home, that the Black Coaches Association---a group of Meffis's coaching professionals (primarily h.s. head coaching leaders)--has not felt much like they were very important to UT for a long time.

Some of my buds are shaking their heads at the way a growing number of colleges are making inroads into that group---which mentors thousands of young players---inroads including a couple of newly relocated collegiate coaches who were once Vol staffers.

I had heard that there was much head shaking among the coaches that one NATIONAL player of the week was not even pursued by UT, and that some UT folks in the Memphis TD Club had unintentionally fanned the flames by not waiving the club's rule that no junior can be honored.

Also, another great h.s. player's coach, I was told, was left out because one of the UT guys in the club had told the coach that only two guests could accompany the athlete---so the kid chose his parents. The coach is a great guy whom we certainly do not need mad at UT. Even UT supporters are perceived as delivering chaos, sometimes.
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The area 50 miles around Memphis has more than enough good, strong, academically capable athletes of all hues, to provide a couple dozen D-1 football and basketball solid players...maybe more,in a down year---maybe even three dozen in a good year.

To become vital again, UT needs marketing help, in many levels. The geography does not favor UT. Arkansas, Ole Miss, Miss. State, LSU, Bama, Auburn, Vandy, Missouri, UK...and other major D-1 schools are as close as Knoxville. (Even U. of Illinois is as close.)

Certainly UT's waning clout in local radio---both sports talk and UT Vol network stations---in Nashville and Memphis are just part of an overall declining exposure UT has in media. In Memphis media, a couple of years ago the 20 year affiliate of UT dumped the Vols in favor of U. of Memphis. The Memphis paper almost always will cover others first...and mostly UT gets no reportage, unless it is negative.

The hate-UT-attitude of Ron Higgins at theMeffis paper is legendary, even if his reportage is not. From Nashville, WLAC's 38-state, 4-hours a night, drive time, Vols-friendly talk show, M-F, shrank several years ago, to a shadow of its former self. One of those supposedly pro-UT announcers said Phillip should resign, when Adams wrote that stupid column.

Nationally, the shrinkage per year in number of high audience yield CBS/ABC/ESPN broadecast games has made UT anything BUT top of mind in the college football world, unless player misconduct, coaching defections and departures, and such occur.

Even when we DO play on national TV, \we get marginal results. In 2007, those included California, Florida, the SECC. Our bowl was one of the earlier ones in the major day of bowl season---good win, but much smaller audience.

If Mike Hamilton continues his series of smart moves, like hiring Bruce Pearl, he will get some help to fix the screwed up UT marketing and public relations, which is at best a dysfunctioning machine at a lot of levels. His funding problems will go away if he does, and recruiting will be helped, too.

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The way UT has recruited the Memphis market---our coaches no-showing and not calling on missed appointments, reportedly becoming involved in questionable activities (I'll let that part alone) that are the subject of gossip from opponents to parents and h.s. administrators, etc , etc., etc.,--- has been a shambles. "Ms. So-and-So, do you want to let ______, here, go to a school where the coach, every time he comes to Memphis, _________.?

UT seems to like Memphis as a convenient place to look for players after UT's primary targets signed elsewhere. Almost always, Memphis can come through as a 1st source, instead of an alternate, if UT learns a lesson that, so far, seems like it is missing.

Memphis is NOT the place to lay-off the bet, it is the place to make it. Bet ON Memphis, not against it. Court it. Treat it right, and its high school coaches and they'll more often than not, do the same. But you gotta work with them. They are not dumb---and other college coaches already know that and act like it and are getting the results that UT has been missing.

There are more than a FEW great athletes in Memphis. Heck, the Mephis Metro is the 50th largest in the country, if you look at Metro areas alone.

Unlike almost anywhere else in the Southeast, though; the area's (SMSA's) population is mostly in three counties, and 80% in Memphis, which is 65% black. Loosely translated, the good ole boy approach won't play here. This is urban, robust, vital and can separate b.s. from boogaloo in a hearbeat. Both the 65% and the 35% have to be addressed appropriately.

That's why Bruce Pearl is doing better than he expects here...and his stock is moving up. He plays both sides of the street, and his coaches do, too. Of course, Bruce Pearl has a reputation for outworking the other guys, staying and avoiding compromising his mission.

Memphis has good players to spare, if somebody will get here early, instead of trying to fill in with Memphis kids after losing elsewhere. Do YOU want to date the girl who thinks you are just there to be used?

Even the great current DT from Memphis, Dan Williams was NOT one of the top targets as a lineman at UT. We missed on the top target---a Memphis kid, Michael Orr, that year. UT wanted Dan, but he was not a TOP target, said the rumor mills, the year he was recruited.

Williams has shown that Meffis kids can play a little football. So did Cedric Wilson, Andre Lott---even the Canale brothers 50 years ago, before Knoxville and Memphis stopped talking to each other.

Currently UT recruiting in Memphis is broken. If we fix it, they will come; if SOMEBODY in Knoxville will give respect enough to come make the blessed calls on these coaches, players, schools and parents---instead of having off-field issues while in the City. And if somebody in Knoxville will have the courtesy to treat Memphis like it is equally as much part of Tennessee as, say, Kingsport...they will get different results.

In my opinion, Memphis high school coaches and more than a few Tennessee supporters have reason to feel dissed by UT, and have for years.I have found Memphis to be a place where, for the most part, if you plant respect, you harvest it.

If PF's NEW people can get into Memphis's hearts, minds and communities------there are about six or seven communities, and I do not mean cities or towns---

then UT will get the cream of the crop, which they only get now on an infrequent basis.

It is about respect in Memphis. From what I heard for years there, Memphians generally, and football coaches in particular in Memphis, feel like UT coaches only want 'em when they need 'em. It is important to note that there used to be one of UT's home games here, every year, because of UT Medical School, etc,, etc,.
Since the school is so well endowed, that makes sense, still. After all, when people give to the athletic department, sums equivalent to an entire season's home game receipts, a Memphis game is NOT out of the question, as a home game.

Some coaches in Memphis said that when UT's phat, they act like they don't need anybody. (Remember the recruits we ran off after the national championship, because coaches were perceived as talking down to recruits.)

The cavalier attitude, as is perceived from Knoxville by Memphians and Memphis coaches, is/was "we recruit nationally, so we dodn't need you." Maybe that works fine, when you are on national TV 9 games a year. But Northern Illinois, UAB and Nowhere State won't get you CBS, ESPN or even local cable broadcasts.

Uh...helloooooooo, earth to Knoxville. How's that strategy holding out????????
You would think the city was Memphis, Mississippi,

or Memphis, Arkansas,

or, more lately, Memphis, Alabama or Georgia.

UT can do a great deal better, and Memphis, the Vols and the State of Tennessee darned all deserve it. If UT players played like their coaches for the last few years recruit the Memphis area, we'd be 5-6.

You can bet Austin Long was led by GA to commit today---when UT is in Atlanta with the Big Orange Caravan---is UGA's way of saying UP yours, Smokey. If not, maybe The Lord is trying to get through to Knoxville to tell 'em somthing about the way we have been recruiting the past 5 years or so. They say coincidence is where The Almighty chooses to remain anonymous.

also it's pretty well known that Long is now working on Marlon Brown to go to UGA.
 
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from another board regarding Long...



also it's pretty well known that Long is now working on Marlon Brown to go to UGA.

Way too long for me to read. If you pulled out the main ideas from the text it would be more appealing. Only thing I saw was that Long is trying to get Brown to UGA. He's gonna be harder to get than most think.
 
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I agree on UT exposure declining. Memphis is now more popular in Memphis than UT, as is Vanderbilt in Nashville. That used to not be the case.
 
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I agree with Jaytrain, we were at a Predators game last year and they put the halftime score of the Lady Vols in the national championship game At first there were some boos and then crowd broke out into a rendition of Rocky Top drowning out the boos. Pretty cool...
 
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I would have to agree with the UT > Vandy sentiment in Nashville. It might be a little closer than it used to be, but Vandy is still behind.
 
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As a new memphian and a long time tennessee, I think part of the problem is that Coach Cal. has made Memphis anti-TN in bball. That naturally carries over to football. Memphis fans are really becoming hostile to the vols.
 
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Yea Memphis in general is very negative towards the Vols. They have the little brother syndrome. That kind of spreads to the whole city and it's frowned upon to go to UT.
 
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The reason is because Knoxville is on the other end of the state. How far from Knoxville to Memphis? Six hours? Memphis is on the border of Arkansas and not far from Mississippi. I think Arkansas, Alabama, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State are closer to Memphis than we are. If not, it's still too close for us to have a big advantage.

We'll recruit that area better when we start winning big again.
 
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The reason is because Knoxville is on the other end of the state. How far from Knoxville to Memphis? Six hours? Memphis is on the border of Arkansas and not far from Mississippi. I think Arkansas, Alabama, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State are closer to Memphis than we are. If not, it's still too close for us to have a big advantage.

We'll recruit that area better when we start winning big again.

Memphis does border Mississippi too. Memphis is about one hour away from Ole Miss, and two and a half from Mississippi State. Arkansas and Alabama are about just as far as UT.
 
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id forget memphis, keep suckin them out of north carolina mainly, cause duke,nc state and chapel hill isnt goin to give a good player the exposure they need and the acc is getting stronger but no where near the sec. i think ut is better off going across country, or east. south is good but allot of competition, north? unless they are ivy league kids get them too!
 
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id forget memphis, keep suckin them out of north carolina mainly, cause duke,nc state and chapel hill isnt goin to give a good player the exposure they need and the acc is getting stronger but no where near the sec. i think ut is better off going across country, or east. south is good but allot of competition, north? unless they are ivy league kids get them too!
Butch Davis is outrecruiting UTK in NC and Tommy Bowden is doing the same in SC. UTK is mostly getting seconds from those states where they used to be near top dogs. Due to various reasons, I'd say Virginia and Pennsylvania are areas where the Vols can really compete for multiple blue chippers against in-state powers right now.
 
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I dont agree with hillbilly very often but he is right. We need to be hitting Virginia and Pennsylvania real hard right now because there are some real good 4 stars up there that we could use.
 
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We're losing pipelines quickly, although VA and PA seem to be developing nicely. But we lost Memphis long ago, and we really need to get it back. Maybe it's the ego of coaches, maybe it's the overall attitude of Memphis towards UT. We need to fix something and it seems like it will be a long process to do so.

Or is our relationship with Memphis completely beyond repair?
 
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We're losing pipelines quickly, although VA and PA seem to be developing nicely. But we lost Memphis long ago, and we really need to get it back. Maybe it's the ego of coaches, maybe it's the overall attitude of Memphis towards UT. We need to fix something and it seems like it will be a long process to do so.

Or is our relationship with Memphis completely beyond repair?

It's not completely beyond repair. It is for some, but not all. More people in Memphis are slowly starting to like UT, and others are starting to hate UT more because of that. There will be some battles we can win and others we may as well not fight.
 
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Well one thing I will say is that Nick Saban and Steve Spurrier were here for a few spring scrimmages. So there has to be something special in Memphis if they are here snooping around. I was pissed off because I didn't see any coaches in orange and white. Memphis Mitchell High have one of the top LB's in the state and Auburn and Alabama is pushing hard for him. I don't think Tennessee is interested.
 
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People in Memphis don't really hate UT anymore or less than they used to. Memphis football's success (it is success for that program anyway, bowl games) might be getting more people to pull for the Tigers in football but I think the overall attitude towards UT hasn't gotten much worse over the years. Just more people with the F-UT attitude.

I think the rise (small rise but a rise nonetheless) of the Memphis program and Tennessee's program not what it used to be has contributed.
 
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People in Memphis don't really hate UT anymore or less than they used to. Memphis football's success (it is success for that program anyway, bowl games) might be getting more people to pull for the Tigers in football but I think the overall attitude towards UT hasn't gotten much worse over the years. Just more people with the F-UT attitude.

I think the rise (small rise but a rise nonetheless) of the Memphis program and Tennessee's program not what it used to be has contributed.


To be honest Memphis is 60/40 in favor of UT. In 2006 UT visited and it almost looked like a home game for UT. There are alot of UT fans here in Memphis. I can attest to this.
 
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To be honest Memphis is 60/40 in favor of UT. In 2006 UT visited and it almost looked like a home game for UT. There are alot of UT fans here in Memphis. I can attest to this.

Memphis is not 60/40 UT. That is erroneous. It's 60/40 Memphis at best. In that 2006 game it's just because Memphis fans know better than to show up at such a slaughtering.
 
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To be honest Memphis is 60/40 in favor of UT. In 2006 UT visited and it almost looked like a home game for UT. There are alot of UT fans here in Memphis. I can attest to this.
As can I and I agree with RockyTop572's numbers more.

Memphis is not 60/40 UT. That is erroneous. It's 60/40 Memphis at best. In that 2006 game it's just because Memphis fans know better than to show up at such a slaughtering.
Yes, judging the city's ratio of UT to Memphis fans cannot be done by the LB attendance for the game.
 
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my main point in posting this is in regard to the decline in Tennessee media exposure. WLAC was a huge multi-state force for the Vols that has gone away. We dont seem to be getting that type of coverage anymore and our recruiting is suffering because of it.
 
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Butch Davis is outrecruiting UTK in NC and Tommy Bowden is doing the same in SC. UTK is mostly getting seconds from those states where they used to be near top dogs. Due to various reasons, I'd say Virginia and Pennsylvania are areas where the Vols can really compete for multiple blue chippers against in-state powers right now.

I agree that Brooks is having a harder time in the Carolinas since Davis arrived and Clemsons recent success. That said, UT did get the #1 athlete from NC in its last recruiting year and was very very close to getting the #1 recruite from NC the year before. Our recruiting efforts in Virginia and the Mid-Atlantic coast will continue to grow because of Clawson, Scott, and dare I say Slade also.
 
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The VA coaches should help. Also, you have to factor in the uncertainty at PSU. Everyone knows Paterno will not be there much longer but he has not fingered a successor and the school is not prepared to usher him out. Uncertainty is hurting the Nittany Lions. UVA has been a non-factor lately. VaTech is probably the other key competitor in that neighborhood right now.
 
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The VA coaches should help. Also, you have to factor in the uncertainty at PSU. Everyone knows Paterno will not be there much longer but he has not fingered a successor .

I have no inside sources, but I feel pretty confident that Greg Schiano will be his replacement.
 

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