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So I decided to take a break from the World Series (GO BOSOX!) to watch the last fifteen or so minutes of Hannity & Colmes. At the end of the program they brought up an interesting fact. Since 1933, the last home game of the Washington Redskins before the presidential election has determined who the winner is. If the Redskins win, then the incumbent wins the election. If the away team wins, the challenger wins.

Quite the curiosity...
 
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Well, thats good news for Kerry then! The Redskins will continue to stink until they get someone to throw the ball...
 
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I don't know about the rest of the members here, but I'm for Bush. Really, it doesn't matter to me who the members here are going for in the current elextion, just as long as they're Vol fans.
 
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I'm kind of in a pickle here... I tend to lean a little towards Kerry, but his tax increase on richer citizens includes S-Class businesses, which is how my family gets our income. But at the same time, I have disagreed with Bush on many points; Supreme court nominees, the war on Iraq, etc. So I am staying neutral in this election.
 
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Eh... I woulda voted for Nader, I suppose. The dude's like 80. Give him 5% and a shred of happiness before he dies. He was fighting for consumer advocacy when Kerry and Bush were both learning the ABC's.
 
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Electoral college margins don't mean anything. The election could have gone either way before Ohio was decided.
 
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I think he's talking about the popular vote. He's right. Even Clinton didn't win 50+ percent of the popular vote. Kerry got out a ton of new voters, but Bush was right there with him. Kudos to him. I'm taking the wait-and-see approach. As a Democrat, I just hope Bush sees this as a wake-up call and spends the next four years improving America and its relations with our allies/now former allies. People up here are bitching and moaning and threatening to move to Canada. I still love America and hope that Bush doesn't continue down the path he is on. :dunno:
 
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Before I get started, can I ask that this be moved to the pub? I'd like to continue it as a political debate.

I won't move to Canada... But I think that the country will see a pretty dramatic shift to the right in the next four years. The Republicans overwhelmingly control Capitol Hill now... Including the Supreme Court. I wouldn't be suprised to see abortion banned in the next four years. I think that it will socially be a little more than people asked for, but that one rests squarely on the shoulders of the Democratic party not being able to pull its **** together and become reasonable as a whole. If they did, then they would have been able to defeat Bush with a hand tied behind their back. To quote pollster David Zogby, "If the race was between Bush and not Bush, not Bush would win." The Democrats just failed to field a reasonable candidate and pull their party platform together.
 
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And on the popular vote, I suppose you're right... Perot was a pretty heavy influence during the Clinton elections, and Nader pulled a fair amount in 2000. The fact is, looking at it from a practical point of view, the elections in 2000 and 2004 are possibly the two closest elections in the last half century at least.
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Nov 5, 2004 1:51 AM
But I think that the country will see a pretty dramatic shift to the right in the next four years. The Republicans overwhelmingly control Capitol Hill now... Including the Supreme Court. I wouldn't be suprised to see abortion banned in the next four years.
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Relax Milo . . . Republicans have controlled Congress for 10 years and the Supreme Court has leaned conservative for longer than that. Nobody is going to take on Roe v. Wade anytime soon.

Kerry found out that you can't merely ask middle America to vote against the other guy and at the same time overlook your own record. The Democrats got into trouble as soon as Howard Dean started leading in the polls and everybody sprinted to the left in the primaries. Hollywood and the media loved it, but they really alienated a lot of average Joe's who may not have liked the direction we were headed, but were smart enough to realize that things weren't as bad as some Democrats were trying to portray.

It's a bad position to be in when the only way you can make any gains is when there is bad news.

 
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The Democrats' strategy was faulty to begin with. I think things would have been much closer had Celebs not tried to tell people who to vote for, and the media had been less biased. I still think President Bush is the man for the job. Maybe some of the more radical neo-conservatives will lose his ear, and he'll make more efforts to "listen" to our "allies".

At the same time I find calling those people in Old Europe "allies" a joke. They hate Bush, but they hated Americans first. You know this if you had been to Europe prior to 2001. We'll see what happens. We've got to stop spending money like it's water, but if you think Bush is a big spender, you would have DIED under Kerry.

All this said... I tend to be a very conservative person... but the Neo-Cons are just WAAAAY right.
 
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People throw around the term "Neo-Con" like it is something to fear. But what is it really other than a new way of thinking about America in a post Cold War environment with only one superpower?

If anything, rwemyss, you just spouted part of the neo-con philosophy when you went on a rant against European "allies". :D
 
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Well, like I said, I'm deeply conservative, but I also recognize that the agenda held by many of my fellow conservatives is too far right to keep the overall populace happy. Do I make any sense?
 
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I wouldn't be suprised to see abortion banned in the next four years.
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personaly, i would like to see abortion banned. i think that all kids should get the chance to live their life. if the mom does not want to baby, just put it up for adoption. B)
 
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Originally posted by rwemyss@Nov 5, 2004 2:52 PM
Well, like I said, I'm deeply conservative, but I also recognize that the agenda held by many of my fellow conservatives is too far right to keep the overall populace happy. Do I make any sense?
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I understand exactly what you are saying. I just don't think the neo-Cons are necessarily the ones pulling the party to the right.
 
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I think we can all agree that abortion is okay in the event of rape, incest, or if the life of the mother is in danger.

But, beyond that, I am supportive of first trimester abortions. As a Christian, I believe that somebody will go to hell for doing that. But as an American, I believe they have the right to choose to do that.
 
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Memphis_Volunteer Posted on Nov 7, 2004 12:24 PM
  I don't believe anyone has the right to murder, especially helpless, unborn babies. 
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i agree 100% on that one
 
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