Will getting better be enough...

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or will we have to rely on other teams getting worse? I just think about the ebb and flow of college football and it seems that when you see certain programs on the rise, other programs start to decline. That was certainly the case with us. As we were were declining, programs like LSU, Auburn, Alabama, South Carolina, and Georgia were getting better. My question is, if we expect to get back to the glory days, do other programs need to decline and if so, who do you see fitting that role?
 
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Our rise will come at the expense of South Carolina, Vanderbilt and Georgia for the most part, and possibly Clemson and the North Carolina schools to some degree, although it will be hard to tell. I'm sure there will be recruiting battles with Bama and LSU, as always, but those states are so stocked with talent that it's less of a zero-sum game. Just look at our tradional recruiting areas, and you can tell who we will be pulling talent away from.

I think A&M may have a pretty interesting impact on the West, but I wonder if they will hurt our ability to pull the occasional prized kid out of Texas.
 
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If we get out-talented in some games this year, I'm ok with that. If we get out-coached and out-hustled from week to week, I'm going to lose my mind.
 
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Per the long standing history of the SEC, these things typically go in cycles. UT has had a rough times the last five years. Not many programs in the country has ever dealt with all of the domino effect issues that UT has faced within this time period. Tennessee has to get much better but that means pulling recruits from our competition which would naturally pull them down a few notches. We used to get the talent, we haven't been. That is changing as we speak........
 
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Florida UGA and USCe will all be worse than last season, though not by much.
They will still be much better off than us, but anything can happen.
I think we steal 1 of the above 3 games, but only time will tell.

I don't think any of the above teams are trending down, i just think they will have some growing pains and things to prove in areas that they excelled in last season.
 
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Florida UGA and USCe will all be worse than last season, though not by much.
They will still be much better off than us, but anything can happen.
I think we steal 1 of the above 3 games, but only time will tell.

I don't think any of the above teams are trending down, i just think they will have some growing pains and things to prove in areas that they excelled in last season.

I agree. Georgia will most likely win the east .

I think we steal the USCe game in Knoxville.
 
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I think A&M may have a pretty interesting impact on the West, but I wonder if they will hurt our ability to pull the occasional prized kid out of Texas.

Yes. I said as much when aTm was first mentioned as a potential new SEC member. Much harder now to entice a recruit out of Texas who wants to play in the SEC. Now Texas kids can stay close to home and still play in the SEC for aTm.
 
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I agree. Georgia will most likely win the east .

I think we steal the USCe game in Knoxville.

I think so too. In the short term I think we basically take back over that 3rd place spot in the East behind Florida and Georgia which is basically where we were at the end of Fulmer's tenure. However overtaking Georgia and/or Florida will be very hard to do without a major shift in recruiting. We are going to have to start out recruiting these guys in order to get us back to the upper echelon of the SEC. Even at the height of our success in the 90's and early 2000's, Spurrier and Florida basically owned us with the exception of a handful of years.
 
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I think A&M may have a pretty interesting impact on the West, but I wonder if they will hurt our ability to pull the occasional prized kid out of Texas.

Yes. I said as much when aTm was first mentioned as a potential new SEC member. Much harder now to entice a recruit out of Texas who wants to play in the SEC. Now Texas kids can stay close to home and still play in the SEC for aTm.

As a Texas native (although I consider myself a Tennessean), I take some comfort from the fact that lots and lots of kids in Texas are raised to absolutely HATE aTm. So, maybe the ability to play in the SEC and still beat aTm would be a good draw for Tennessee in certain years.
 
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Florida UGA and USCe will all be worse than last season, though not by much.
They will still be much better off than us, but anything can happen.
I think we steal 1 of the above 3 games, but only time will tell.

I don't think any of the above teams are trending down, i just think they will have some growing pains and things to prove in areas that they excelled in last season.




Why will UF be worse next year? Not provoking you, I'm just curious. I didn't think they were losing much from last year's team.
 
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I don't really think it matters what happens at other program you have to worry about your program and make sure you are doing the things to get better cause USCe is way better than us and they haven't really out recruited us at all we are usually in the range of ranking. If it's such a cyclical thing then expect to be bad and you can't fire the coach when you are bad.
 
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Our rise will come at the expense of South Carolina, Vanderbilt and Georgia for the most part, and possibly Clemson and the North Carolina schools to some degree, although it will be hard to tell. I'm sure there will be recruiting battles with Bama and LSU, as always, but those states are so stocked with talent that it's less of a zero-sum game. Just look at our tradional recruiting areas, and you can tell who we will be pulling talent away from.

I think A&M may have a pretty interesting impact on the West, but I wonder if they will hurt our ability to pull the occasional prized kid out of Texas.

I agree. Spurrier is approaching his 67th birthday and you have to wonder how much longer he will want to continue coaching. It took him almost as long to build South Carolina to its current status as it did for Johnny Majors to rebuild Tennessee. He has probably reached the sustainable peak for that program. Unless they were to hire another coach of Spurrier's caliber, which would seem unlikely, I would anticipate South Carolina declining rather precipitously.

If Franklin is as good as he and the Vanderbilt faithful believe him to be, I would anticipate him leaving Vandy for the first marquis program that comes calling. He made headway last year against us on the recruiting front, but that was achieved, in part, due to the ineptitude of Dooley's instate recruiting efforts.

Richt is only 53, so, in all probability, we are going to have to establish a pattern of beating him head-to-head. Ultimately, however, it is only necessary to regularly pull a few additional SEC caliber-recruits from Georgia. Kiffin realized just how critical the metropolitan Atlanta area was to our recruiting efforts and vowed that we would never again lose to Georgia. (I know, big talk, but it underscored sound logic.)

Even when Fulmer had his recruiting machine fully operational, it was difficult to pull Alabama kids from 'bama and Auburn. (As best I recall, Tee Martin waffled back and forth between Auburn and us several times before signing with Tennessee.) Western North Carolina, particularly as we begin to regain traction on the field, should be a relatively fertile recruiting ground. And it looks like we are beginning to pay attention again to Virginia and the D.C. area.

With respect to Texas, we have had some success in landing kids from the Lone Star State but retention has been an entirely different matter. I'm not sure why, but we have had better success in that respect with guys from the left coast.

Perhaps most importantly, on the home front, let's hope that, with Butch's rededicated efforts, we have seen the last of elite Tennessee kids leaving Big Orange Country for USC, Notre Dame or, even for that matter, Kentucky.
 
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Florida UGA and USCe will all be worse than last season, though not by much.
They will still be much better off than us, but anything can happen.
I think we steal 1 of the above 3 games, but only time will tell.

I don't think any of the above teams are trending down, i just think they will have some growing pains and things to prove in areas that they excelled in last season.

florida will be better this year than last.

their record may end up not being as good, but the team itself will be better
 
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to respond to the original question, when spurrier began doing his thing at florida, gator faithful assumed florida state would take a step back.

instead, florida state continued to finish in the top 5 every year.

regardless of what tennessee does, i don't think florida, bama, georgia, lsu or texas a&m are going anywhere. we'll see what happens to carolina when spurrier leaves

which means tennessee and everyone else is going to have to be like bama and win anyway
 
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Give it 5 more years. Holy damn it hurts to say that but don't expect anything much soon.
 
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to respond to the original question, when spurrier began doing his thing at florida, gator faithful assumed florida state would take a step back.

instead, florida state continued to finish in the top 5 every year.

regardless of what tennessee does, i don't think florida, bama, georgia, lsu or texas a&m are going anywhere. we'll see what happens to carolina when spurrier leaves

which means tennessee and everyone else is going to have to be like bama and win anyway

Those perennial top 5 finishes for FSU came to an abrupt end, however, in 2001, when Mark Richt left the program for Georgia. This raises another point although it isn't one that you can count on with any consistency. The triumvirate of Fulmer, Cutcliffe, and Chavis was highly successful. As was the case with Richt and FSU, the departure of Cutcliffe from UT demonstrated that when you lose one extremely good coordinator, it can have significant and detrimental effects.
 
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or will we have to rely on other teams getting worse? I just think about the ebb and flow of college football and it seems that when you see certain programs on the rise, other programs start to decline. That was certainly the case with us. As we were were declining, programs like LSU, Auburn, Alabama, South Carolina, and Georgia were getting better. My question is, if we expect to get back to the glory days, do other programs need to decline and if so, who do you see fitting that role?

All the above....patience is now the order of the day for Vol fans. It may be 3-4-5 years before we are able to compete for any type of championship...it takes time when you are at the very bottom of the SEC. This year is going to be rough however, with possibly no more than 4 possibly 5 wins at most
 
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Those perennial top 5 finishes for FSU came to an abrupt end, however, in 2001, when Mark Richt left the program for Georgia. This raises another point although it isn't one that you can count on with any consistency. The triumvirate of Fulmer, Cutcliffe, and Chavis was highly successful. As was the case with Richt and FSU, the departure of Cutcliffe from UT demonstrated that when you lose one extremely good coordinator, it can have significant and detrimental effects.

Chavis was able to prolong Fulmer's stay by several years
 
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Why will UF be worse next year? Not provoking you, I'm just curious. I didn't think they were losing much from last year's team.

No it's a fair question. I just don't expect Driskel to be better, I think Gillislie and Reed were what made that offense better than terrible and they are both gone.

On defense they lose Matt Elam and Sherriff Floyd who both will be very difficult to replace. And I assume they lose some more on both sides, if they do not they may be just as good. But based on them losing IMO 4 of their 5 or 6 best players I have them taking a step back.

Still don't trust Muschamp and they lost their DC as well.
 
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Chavis was able to prolong Fulmer's stay by several years

I completely agree. When Cutcliffe left, offensive productivity took a discernible dip but not enough to absolutely sink Fulmer, thanks to the efforts of Chavis' defenses.
 
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No it's a fair question. I just don't expect Driskel to be better, I think Gillislie and Reed were what made that offense better than terrible and they are both gone.

On defense they lose Matt Elam and Sherriff Floyd who both will be very difficult to replace. And I assume they lose some more on both sides, if they do not they may be just as good. But based on them losing IMO 4 of their 5 or 6 best players I have them taking a step back.

Still don't trust Muschamp and they lost their DC as well.

i won't go into detail, but like alabama, the florida d-coordinator is meaningless. it's muschamp's defense.

as long as muschamp is at florida, the defense is going to be very good and 2013 will be no exception
 
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If we get out-talented in some games this year, I'm ok with that. If we get out-coached and out-hustled from week to week, I'm going to lose my mind.

If they get out talented, folks will blame it on the coaches not having them in position
 
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In the short term yes. Shouldn't be hard to see given previous regimes massive coaching failures. Gotta put Ws on the board, 8-10 by year 3, compete for championships by year 4 IMHO
 
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No it's a fair question. I just don't expect Driskel to be better, I think Gillislie and Reed were what made that offense better than terrible and they are both gone.

On defense they lose Matt Elam and Sherriff Floyd who both will be very difficult to replace. And I assume they lose some more on both sides, if they do not they may be just as good. But based on them losing IMO 4 of their 5 or 6 best players I have them taking a step back.

Still don't trust Muschamp and they lost their DC as well.

Good analysis. Add in no depth on the O-line. Will be interesting to see how well they blend in the incoming freshmen since some will be needed to fill in the gaps. Everybody thinks that the bowl game was an aberration. I don't. I would not expect UL to win every other game with UF. But the fact they did win with the important UF guys you mentioned playing, tells me all is not well in Gainesville now that those key players are gone.
 
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If Franklin is as good as he and the Vanderbilt faithful believe him to be, I would anticipate him leaving Vandy for the first marquis program that comes calling. He made headway last year against us on the recruiting front, but that was achieved, in part, due to the ineptitude of Dooley's instate recruiting efforts.

If you believe Clay Travis, Franklin was approached by us, as well as Auburn and Arky. So we can't say he hasn't been approached by a marquis program. We can say he is a fool for staying in Nashville.
 
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