Will we see more transfers than recruits?

[Dougie_D]

I have a family friend that’s connected to a football program (ACC school) and they mentioned that schools are starting to put more emphasis on the player transfer portal than high school recruits. I think it was based on development and how long a kid would be in a program. Having a kid 4 years (w/2 years of development or kids already developed with 2 years left. It’s kinda like when players went Juco.
I put this question in BBall, because I’m wondering if you guys think Rick Barnes will go after more transfers after this season?

 

[Volfan1000]

I have a family friend that’s connected to a football program (ACC school) and they mentioned that schools are starting to put more emphasis on the player transfer portal than high school recruits. I think it was based on development and how long a kid would be in a program. Having a kid 4 years (w/2 years of development or kids already developed with 2 years left. It’s kinda like when players went Juco.
I put this question in BBall, because I’m wondering if you guys think Rick Barnes will go after more transfers after this season?

Barnes will build his roster with high school players and then supplement through the portal as he did with Gainey and Knecht.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Initially I thought no, but the math might seem to suggest yes. Transfers can draw from 3 or 4 recruiting classes. High school recruits are all 1 (or 2 with prep schools) age/class. I’d guess about 50/50 unless there are major revisions to the rules.

 

[SGMVols]

Initially I thought no, but the math might seem to suggest yes. Transfers can draw from 3 or 4 recruiting classes. High school recruits are all 1 (or 2 with prep schools) age/class. I’d guess about 50/50 unless there are major revisions to the rules.

Football coaches abusing the portal and basically building their whole team through it (looking at you, Deion and Lane) will eventually force the NCAA to place limitations on how many transfers schools can take.

High school kids are getting squeezed out of opportunities because of it. My nephew is rated 9 out of 10 on Perfect Game as a baseball prospect (basically equivalent to a high 4 star). He’s going to MTSU. That’s because the big schools in baseball are spending most of their scholarship money on transfers.

 

[DonDiego]

I have a family friend that’s connected to a football program (ACC school) and they mentioned that schools are starting to put more emphasis on the player transfer portal than high school recruits. I think it was based on development and how long a kid would be in a program. Having a kid 4 years (w/2 years of development or kids already developed with 2 years left. It’s kinda like when players went Juco.
I put this question in BBall, because I’m wondering if you guys think Rick Barnes will go after more transfers after this season?

It makes sense when you think about it. Why get a kid out of high school and work on his development for two years only to have him hit the portal? It might be more profitable to get them from the portal with two to three years left already exposed to big time competition.

 

[wombat7477]

Bigger schools using smaller schools as their own minor/developmental league. I could see it.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

I have a family friend that’s connected to a football program (ACC school) and they mentioned that schools are starting to put more emphasis on the player transfer portal than high school recruits. I think it was based on development and how long a kid would be in a program. Having a kid 4 years (w/2 years of development or kids already developed with 2 years left. It’s kinda like when players went Juco.
I put this question in BBall, because I’m wondering if you guys think Rick Barnes will go after more transfers after this season?

In basketball? Maybe. But I doubt it. In football? Definitely not. If you look at the top transfer classes this year, the best teams aren’t at the top.

It is still really important to recruit quality high school players and develop them. It’s important for depth and stability.

I think you could get away with it in basketball because it’s a smaller roster and it’s easier to fill gaps.

 

[walkenvol]

In basketball? Maybe. But I doubt it. In football? Definitely not. If you look at the top transfer classes this year, the best teams aren’t at the top.

It is still really important to recruit quality high school players and develop them. It’s important for depth and stability.

I think you could get away with it in basketball because it’s a smaller roster and it’s easier to fill gaps.

Arkansas and Kentucky have been flipping a huge percentage of their roster every season with transfers and 1&D recruits. Their results have been pretty good. Whether they are outliers or the new normal is anyone’s guess. Personally from a fan’s perspective, I enjoy watching the long term development of recruits compared to watching one season rentals. JMO, TIFWIW, AARP

 

[TNBV]

What I have been hearing, indirectly, from college Soccer coaches is that some programs are looking exclusively at transfers. The reason being makes a lot of sense, especially in a sport like Soccer that has so few scholarships anyway. The thinking is why "gamble" on a 17/18 year old (gamble on what he Might be in 2 years and gamble on can he handle the rigors of school work and D1 sports) when you can give that scholarship to someone who has proven they can handle the workload AND is more developed. Now with the massive amounts of scholarships CFB has over a sport like soccer you can afford to "gamble" on potential. CBB is somewhere in between. Either way though I am sure more and more coaches are going to take the same approach. Because of this approach in soccer, many D1 level recruits have gone the JUCO route or D2/D3 route with the idea to transfer later , and accordingly more D1 coaches are looking at those schools to fill their rosters.

 

[TNBV]

I would like to see maybe a limit on transfers. Not how many you can have but maybe how often you can transfer. Maybe transfer once without penalty but your second transfer costs a year of eligibility. Maybe with exceptions for coaching change or NCAA infractions.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

I would like to see maybe a limit on transfers. Not how many you can have but maybe how often you can transfer. Maybe transfer once without penalty but your second transfer costs a year of eligibility. Maybe with exceptions for coaching change or NCAA infractions.

Very unlikely. They will be hard pressed NOW to limit the players ability to transfer and they took the limit off the schools because it is a way to replenish the fact unlimited players can leave.

I STILL believe the NEW limits will only be NIL totals on players regardless of how they got there. This will keep some competitive balance and not in any way limit the players ability to cash in on name, image and likeness. Only where he can play while earning his money. Just like the 85 scholarship limit. When a school fills up their NIL Cap they can’t sign you. Cap size TBD.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Very unlikely. They will be hard pressed NOW to limit the players ability to transfer and they took the limit off the schools because it is a way to replenish the fact unlimited players can leave.

I STILL believe the NEW limits will only be NIL totals on players regardless of how they got there. This will keep some competitive balance and not in any way limit the players ability to cash in on name, image and likeness. Only where he can play while earning his money. Just like the 85 scholarship limit. When a school fills up their NIL Cap they can’t sign you. Cap size TBD.

The schools don’t (technically) divy up NIL dollars. I doubt that the NCAA can touch anything NIL. The NCAA already lost in court plus if they get involved they’ll have Title IX issues on the women’s side to deal with.

I don’t see why the NCAA couldn’t establish stricter transfer rules. That really doesn’t interfere with player’s rights to cash in on NIL. It’s something that they could actually enforce. Players are still supposed to be students so there can still be rules governing all that. It isn’t as easy for the UNCs to get away with fake academics either.

 

[walkenvol]

Student athletes should have no more transfer restrictions than regular students. IMHO

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

The schools don’t (technically) divy up NIL dollars. I doubt that the NCAA can touch anything NIL. The NCAA already lost in court plus if they get involved they’ll have Title IX issues on the women’s side to deal with.

I don’t see why the NCAA couldn’t establish stricter transfer rules. That really doesn’t interfere with player’s rights to cash in on NIL. It’s something that they could actually enforce. Players are still supposed to be students so there can still be rules governing all that. It isn’t as easy for the UNCs to get away with fake academics either.

I don't know if the players freedom to transfer will be a sacred cow or not, and for sure I don't understand why including a non compete clause in schollies is not in play. Schools don't have to hand out the money directly for required reporting BY THE STUDENT to the NCAA of their NIL income to become documentable and totals at each institution easily calculated and capped. Probably only require that reporting when total NIL income exceeds X, TBD, so T shirt, chicken wings, and mattress deals do not create a massive work load to collect, just the big bucks. NIL simply has to be reported initially on the NLI or other documents and changes reported for approval by the school. NIL counts exactly the same way for the 85 and the 105 with the PWOs.

 

[Col_Cathcart]

I could see NIL collectives start putting claw-back provisions into contracts (to recoup $ if the player transfers) or backloading multi-year contracts.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I could see NIL collectives start putting claw-back provisions into contracts (to recoup $ if the player transfers) or backloading multi-year contracts.

The contracts are unique to each player so anything goes. Putting restrictions in them will put that school at a disadvantage getting kids to sign. It’s fluid.

 

[JarFly]

Football coaches abusing the portal and basically building their whole team through it (looking at you, Deion and Lane) will eventually force the NCAA to place limitations on how many transfers schools can take.

High school kids are getting squeezed out of opportunities because of it. My nephew is rated 9 out of 10 on Perfect Game as a baseball prospect (basically equivalent to a high 4 star). He’s going to MTSU. That’s because the big schools in baseball are spending most of their scholarship money on transfers.

Nothing wrong with MTSU! Go Blue Raiders!! My daughter is a proud alum, LOL. Wish your nephew the best!

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I don't know if the players freedom to transfer will be a sacred cow or not, and for sure I don't understand why including a non compete clause in schollies is not in play. Schools don't have to hand out the money directly for required reporting BY THE STUDENT to the NCAA of their NIL income to become documentable and totals at each institution easily calculated and capped. Probably only require that reporting when total NIL income exceeds X, TBD, so T shirt, chicken wings, and mattress deals do not create a massive work load to collect, just the big bucks. NIL simply has to be reported initially on the NLI or other documents and changes reported for approval by the school. NIL counts exactly the same way for the 85 and the 105 with the PWOs.

I just don’t think that the NCAA has the reach anymore to start regulating deals with “3rd parties”. They lose when matters end up in court. Plus the NCAA is becoming obsolete in football with the SEC and Big10 gaining power. I don’t think that anybody will be able to get that genie back in the bottle. It’s going to keep evolving and IMO athletes won’t even be students before too long. The schools will just become licensees with tax exempt status. College football will be the minor leagues for the NFL but they will try to disguise it to keep the interest up and the cash flowing. The biggest budgets (NIL and everything else) will dominate the championships.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

I just don’t think that the NCAA has the reach anymore to start regulating deals with “3rd parties”. They lose when matters end up in court. Plus the NCAA is becoming obsolete in football with the SEC and Big10 gaining power. I don’t think that anybody will be able to get that genie back in the bottle. It’s going to keep evolving and IMO athletes won’t even be students before too long. The schools will just become licensees with tax exempt status. College football will be the minor leagues for the NFL but they will try to disguise it to keep the interest up and the cash flowing. The biggest budgets (NIL and everything else) will dominate the championships.

This is why staying out of employee model is important. No need to restrict the PROTECTED players, but limiting THEIR MEMBER INSTITUTIONS, just like schollies and official visits. Only requirement on players is to report their NIL deals to NCAA with no limit for them to maintain database. Then the schools can make room in their CAP or pass, just like schollies.

 

[Dougie_D]

In basketball? Maybe. But I doubt it. In football? Definitely not. If you look at the top transfer classes this year, the best teams aren’t at the top.

It is still really important to recruit quality high school players and develop them. It’s important for depth and stability.

I think you could get away with it in basketball because it’s a smaller roster and it’s easier to fill gaps.

I don’t know. I was just said that this particular program is going 70/30 on transfers and will continue that route throughout the years. It’s more about scholarship numbers I think. Instead of 4 years with a player. you get 1-2 years and get another chance at a player if it doesn’t pan out.

 

[chuckiepoo]

I don’t know. I was just said that this particular program is going 70/30 on transfers and will continue that route throughout the years. It’s more about scholarship numbers I think. Instead of 4 years with a player. you get 1-2 years and get another chance at a player if it doesn’t pan out.

I feel like ADDW has a solid ginger on this issue…
Edit: finger. Dayum. Autocorrect had no shame…

 

[Chickenfarmer]

Transferring should be based on one’s ability to graduate from that institution. A regular student is typically required to complete four semesters at an institution to be issued a diploma. Why not apply sane rules to student athletes? If a junior with two years eligibility hits the portal, then they must complete two years at that school with an intent on graduating.

I dropped out lacking 35 hours to graduate from UTK. No other university would allow me to graduate without completing 60 hours at their school. After a few years working I went back to school at UTK and got a diploma.