Winter Solstice: Reason for the Season

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Winter Solstice: Reason for the Season
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I think it would be pretty neat to be at Stonehenge and watch the sun rise over the stone marker that signifies the Winter Solstice.

I'm agnostic, but I prefer celebrating it as the Christmas holiday as well.
 
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I don't get why Christians grasp to this "Jesus is the reason for the season" stuff.

No he's not.
 
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I don't get why Christians grasp to this "Jesus is the reason for the season" stuff.

No he's not.

Who cares how it originated, America was forged on the back of slavery, certainly isn't that way today.

It was a pagan holiday at one point along with about 99% of other holidays. Over time things change and evolve, a good example is Christmas. People who aren't really religious celebrate the holiday. Some extremely devout Christians do not observe Christmas for a variety of different reasons.

I guess what I really want to know is what was your point?
 
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I don't get why Christians grasp to this "Jesus is the reason for the season" stuff.

No he's not.


Jesus is the reason for the season...
Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.
What other reason is there to celebrate Christmas?
 
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In America, folks are free to celebrate the bunion on their big toe if they want to, and thanks be to God for the liberties we still have.

For me, Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Christ. Always will be.

Merry Christmas, y'all!!!
 
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"And there were in the same country shepherds, abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them! And they were sore afraid ... And the angel said unto them, "Fear not! For, behold, I bring you tidings of great joy, which shall be to all my people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ, the Lord."

"And this shall be a sign unto you: Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger." And suddenly, there was with the angel a multitude of the Heavenly Host praising God, and saying, "Glory to God in the Highest, and on Earth peace, and good will toward men."

"That's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown."
 
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Jesus is the reason for the season...
Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.
What other reason is there to celebrate Christmas?

christmas just happens to fall during the same time as the tradition winter pagan festival.
 
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"And there were in the same country shepherds, abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them! And they were sore afraid ... And the angel said unto them, "Fear not! For, behold, I bring you tidings of great joy, which shall be to all my people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ, the Lord."

"And this shall be a sign unto you: Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger." And suddenly, there was with the angel a multitude of the Heavenly Host praising God, and saying, "Glory to God in the Highest, and on Earth peace, and good will toward men."

"That's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown."

Bravo, gsvol! Bravo!
 
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christmas just happens to fall during the same time as the tradition winter pagan festival.

...and Hannukah, and Kwanzaa.

(Don't beat me up if I've misspelled. I don't feel like looking them up.)
 
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...and Hannukah, and Kwanzaa.

(Don't beat me up if I've misspelled. I don't feel like looking them up.)

Alternative Charlie Brown Christmas.

You forgot to mention it is also the season for an important sporting event, the local, annual Pretty Creek - Sugar Creek, shirts - skins, two hand touch, football super bowl game.

The first game the girls insisted that they be the skins and it has since become a tradition.
 
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christmas just happens to fall during the same time as the tradition winter pagan festival.

not to mention the fact that if you pay attention to the New Testament, when Jesus was born crops were being harvested and livestock were still in their ranges. Some scholars put his actual birthdate in mid to late September or October.
 
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not to mention the fact that if you pay attention to the New Testament, when Jesus was born crops were being harvested and livestock were still in their ranges. Some scholars put his actual birthdate in mid to late September or October.

Your point being?

December 25 is the legal holiday for Christmas.
Christmas = the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ.

For anyone to say that Jesus is not the reason for the Christmas season is ludicrous.

I realize there are millions of people in the world that do not observe Christmas. They have the right to make that choice, however choosing not to observe Christmas does not change the fact that Christmas is the christian holiday to celebrate the birth of Christ. There is no other meaning for Christmas.
 
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Your point being?

December 25 is the legal holiday for Christmas.
Christmas = the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ.

For anyone to say that Jesus is not the reason for the Christmas season is ludicrous.

I realize there are millions of people in the world that do not observe Christmas. They have the right to make that choice, however choosing not to observe Christmas does not change the fact that Christmas is the christian holiday to celebrate the birth of Christ. There is no other meaning for Christmas.

it doesn't matter if that date was picked because it coincided with the pagan festival? doesn't it make the date arbitrary then? why not celebrate christ's birth in october then.
 
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it doesn't matter if that date was picked because it coincided with the pagan festival? doesn't it make the date arbitrary then? why not celebrate christ's birth in october then.

My perspective:
Did it matter to someone long ago that decided it would be celebrated in December? Probably. Does it bother me that I celebrate His incarnation, etc. in December? Not one bit. Winter is a good time of year to get together with family and friends, enjoy good food and company and give gifts to one another. October would work too, but then y'all heathens would have less days to celebrate witchcraft, skeletons and death, or the two celebrations might create a clash of symbolisms. I kid, I kid... :)

Actually, I kind of celebrate Christmas several days out of the week, when I remember God's saving grace in my life with gratitude.
 
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Where is this country where the citizens are forced to celebrate Christmas? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your comment...

you are. The poster acted like freedom of religion was a worldwide concept which it most definitely is not
 
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it doesn't matter if that date was picked because it coincided with the pagan festival? doesn't it make the date arbitrary then? why not celebrate christ's birth in october then.

of course it does but when you're trying to sell the masses it's much easier to just tweak an existing holiday and not mess with vacation calendars too much
 
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Got it. Thanks for the clarification. I was hoping there weren't incidences of the church in Rome returning to its medieval ways... :rolleyes:
 
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not to mention the fact that if you pay attention to the New Testament, when Jesus was born crops were being harvested and livestock were still in their ranges. Some scholars put his actual birthdate in mid to late September or October.

True we don't celebrate the birth of Jesus on his actual birthday but there was a reason Dec. 25 was chosen by early Christians to celebrate that event.

There was a particular pagan cult (to my knowledge no one actually knows the name of that cult, they left no writings other than occult symbology), that practiced human sacrifice on that day and were particularly hated by early Christians, possibly because the cultist may have had the nasty habit of abducting Christian girls to use in their sacrifices.

Archeologist have unearthed some of those sites which were in underground chambers with an altar in the center which had the cult's symbols carved into the stone altar and wallls, all that have been located have the marks of swords severely defacing the symbols.

As I recall there was always a bull, a dog, a scorpian and others I don't recall.

Early Christians made that a day to celebrate the birth of the Savior because it was also a day to celbrate victory over the most despised of the pagans.

Who cares how it originated, America was forged on the back of slavery, certainly isn't that way today.

That is partially true, but America was more dependant on the pioneers and settlers, the vast majority of whom never owned one slave.

It is also worth mentioning that at the time of the beginning of the Civil war the two people who owned the most slaves in America were free black men, one in Charleston, SC and one in New Orleans, LA. They were slave traders who operated sort of like a used or new car salesman/dealer would today.

Also worth mentioning is the indentured servant concept where a tradesman paid passage for poor people from Europe and they worked for seven years to repay the tradesman.

That class also purchased slaves at times under the same rule, after seven years they gained not only their freedom but the knowledge needed to practice whatever particular trade was involved.
 

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