Wiseman ineligible

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MFJones said:
Listen folks, I am a Vol fan and my blood bleeds orange, but it’s looking like the NCAA has a huge problem with this ruling. I’ve been following this pretty closely and the problem really does appear to be that all of the facts surrounding the $11,500 travel expense payment were hashed out in 2017 when the TSSAA challenged Wiseman’s eligibility at East HS. This information was known to be public record in May when the NCAA ruled Wiseman eligible for Memphis then. So for them to come back and say, “oh, our bad, we didn’t do our homework as well as we probably should have the first time around” is just not going to hold up in court. Say what you want to about Penny Hardaway, but Wiseman has a strong case and a damn good lawyer. This is also happens to be bad timing for the NCAA. So here is my prediction. This whole fight will end up going to trial, which will be months to a year before it is settled. In the meantime, Memphis will play with Wiseman all the way to and into the NCAA tournament. By the time a decision is made, he will be a lottery pick. And so what if Memphis has to vacate wins? Do you guys really believe Memphis and their fans care anyway?

Hypothetical: If this was the Vols and we had a choice between not making the NCAA tournament or at best being a 1st/2nd round tourney loser vs being making it to the Final Four team, which later vacates wins and a banner, which would you choose right now?
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Memphis fans would sell their souls to the devil to be relevant in college basketball. Sad!
 
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VolGee4 said:
Apparently, this guy is an attorney who has fought the NCAA in a baseball case. Jay Bilas just mentioned it in a radio interview with Gary Parrish.

Bilas was very reasonable. He said that some of these arguments are good but may not hold up in court. He was surprised at the number of people outside Memphis who are in support of Wiseman. He also said he hopes he can watch Wiseman play all year. He did make a point that rival fans (even specifically said UT) certainly have a different perspective that influences their thoughts about it because it’s not their school.
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Uh, if one of our coaches gave money to a recruit, even if it were before he got here, I would NEVER expect that kid to play at UT.
 
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MFJones said:
Listen folks, I am a Vol fan and my blood bleeds orange, but it’s looking like the NCAA has a huge problem with this ruling. I’ve been following this pretty closely and the problem really does appear to be that all of the facts surrounding the $11,500 travel expense payment were hashed out in 2017 when the TSSAA challenged Wiseman’s eligibility at East HS. This information was known to be public record in May when the NCAA ruled Wiseman eligible for Memphis then. So for them to come back and say, “oh, our bad, we didn’t do our homework as well as we probably should have the first time around” is just not going to hold up in court. Say what you want to about Penny Hardaway, but Wiseman has a strong case and a damn good lawyer. This is also happens to be bad timing for the NCAA. So here is my prediction. This whole fight will end up going to trial, which will be months to a year before it is settled. In the meantime, Memphis will play with Wiseman all the way to and into the NCAA tournament. By the time a decision is made, he will be a lottery pick. And so what if Memphis has to vacate wins? Do you guys really believe Memphis and their fans care anyway?

Hypothetical: If this was the Vols and we had a choice between not making the NCAA tournament or at best being a 1st/2nd round tourney loser vs being making it to the Final Four team, which later vacates wins and a banner, which would you choose right now?
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Fairly certain the public didn't know about the payment until last week. I thought the TSSAA case centered around Penny's recruitment of Wiseman to East making him ineligible because he was involved with his AAU program.
 
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gorockytop98 said:
Fairly certain the public didn't know about the payment until last week. I thought the TSSAA case centered around Penny's recruitment of Wiseman to East making him ineligible because he was involved with his AAU program.
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Regardless of whether it was public knowledge is irrelevant to my point. Hardaway and the University were forth coming to NCAA with this information in early 2019. The NCAA made a ruling in favor of Wiseman, then reneged on their decision saying they had made an error in their judgement. Here in lies the problem. The NCAA’s (and potentially the UM’s) incompetence has lead to a young man’s potential ineligibility. Had the NCAA made this decision of ineligibility in May then Wiseman would have had the option to play for a different school.

Again, their is a 100% strong legal argument here. At best, the NCAA wins but not before a long and arduous legal process in the courts. Wiseman will be a lottery pick by then and UM may have to vacate wins. Worst case, for the NCAA, is they lose.

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This should be interesting to see play out. There is a 2021 top 10 prospect that transferred to Lausanne from a school in NY. You can bet there will be questions surrounding that transfer now.
 
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MemphisVol04 said:
This should be interesting to see play out. There is a 2021 top 10 prospect that transferred to Lausanne from a school in NY. You can bet there will be questions surrounding that transfer now.
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Yep, and Parrish has talked about that no one is saying anything about his transfer.
 
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I think it's a dangerous precedent to let them off scot free. Yes, I'm all for college athletes getting paid, but this is a different animal. He wasn't getting paid for his services or profit brought to the university or team. A coach paid off him, or his parents, in order to have an advantage in getting him to play for him in high school. Now, Penny wasn't the UM coach then, so it turns out to be an added bonus for him and the TIgers.

It still reeks. He has money, so he can afford to buy the best player in the state to play for him. On top of this, the university told the NCAA to suck it while they were clearly informed he couldn't play. So, what guidelines are here? What rules are in play? Who's in charge?
 
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gorockytop98 said:
Interesting that Geoff Calkins dropped an article last night pushing for a settlement. Wonder if he came to that conclusion on his own or if the AD is starting to lose steam.
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One of Wiseman's attorneys was on his show yesterday and said that he would always talk to the opposing party in a lawsuit. I think Calkins is suggesting that they need some closure. Even if the case drags on and Wiseman plays, the NCAA can always come back and punish them.

I would absolutely settle on a 4-6 game suspension right now and call it done.
 
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Unimane said:
I think it's a dangerous precedent to let them off scot free. Yes, I'm all for college athletes getting paid, but this is a different animal. He wasn't getting paid for his services or profit brought to the university or team. A coach paid off him, or his parents, in order to have an advantage in getting him to play for him in high school. Now, Penny wasn't the UM coach then, so it turns out to be an added bonus for him and the TIgers.

It still reeks. He has money, so he can afford to buy the best player in the state to play for him. On top of this, the university told the NCAA to suck it while they were clearly informed he couldn't play. So, what guidelines are here? What rules are in play? Who's in charge?
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Wiseman's suit included the university as a defendant. Sure, the university wants him to play, but the temporary restraining order was against both defendants. So, it puts the university in a better light because they are just saying that they don't have much choice in letting him be eligible and allowing him to play.
 
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VolGee4 said:
One of Wiseman's attorneys was on his show yesterday and said that he would always talk to the opposing party in a lawsuit. I think Calkins is suggesting that they need some closure. Even if the case drags on and Wiseman plays, the NCAA can always come back and punish them.

I would absolutely settle on a 4-6 game suspension right now and call it done.
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I would guess it will be closer to 10 games (a third of the season), similar to Danjel Purifoy at Auburn, and the rumored 4 game football suspension for Chase Young of Ohio State.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I would guess it will be closer to 10 games (a third of the season), similar to Danjel Purifoy at Auburn, and the rumored 4 game football suspension for Chase Young of Ohio State.
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Yea, that't true. But, that's the norm. I wouldn't give in to the norm. Legal cases are about leverage, and right now, Wiseman has some leverage. People can argue how much, but some of these issues are snowballing on the NCAA, and I do think there is a lot of support for Wiseman. Use the leverage to negotiate an immediate 6 game suspension. Then, if he plays tonight, guess what? The game in Knoxville is his first game back.
 
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gorockytop98 said:
Interesting that Geoff Calkins dropped an article last night pushing for a settlement. Wonder if he came to that conclusion on his own or if the AD is starting to lose steam.
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I read that. Well Wiseman is suing not the university. But I am not sure. Calkins was a lawyer, so he is probably thinking it on his own.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Yea, that't true. But, that's the norm. I wouldn't give in to the norm. Legal cases are about leverage, and right now, Wiseman has some leverage. People can argue how much, but some of these issues are snowballing on the NCAA, and I do think there is a lot of support for Wiseman. Use the leverage to negotiate an immediate 6 game suspension. Then, if he plays tonight, guess what? The game in Knoxville is his first game back.
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I would ask for 4 and be done with it. You're exactly right. Leverage is huge. I don't think the NCAA wants this fight. Public opinion is behind Wiseman.
 
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Court rules in favor of TSAA.

Memphis judge rules in favor of TSSAA regarding James Wiseman, Ryan Boyce coaching link
 
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