Wiseman ineligible

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VolGee4 said:
Yea, that't true. But, that's the norm. I wouldn't give in to the norm. Legal cases are about leverage, and right now, Wiseman has some leverage. People can argue how much, but some of these issues are snowballing on the NCAA, and I do think there is a lot of support for Wiseman. Use the leverage to negotiate an immediate 6 game suspension. Then, if he plays tonight, guess what? The game in Knoxville is his first game back.
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I guess that may be where I differ. I don’t know that Wiseman has much leverage. And I wouldn’t call settling for the normal suspension length “giving in to the norm”, because the norm would typically also include setting him while the NCAA investigated, as well, which could cost him additional games and retroactively cost Memphis vacated wins if they further continue to defy the NCAA.

One thing we know for certain about the NCAA, is they don’t like to be bucked, and Memphis has gone out of their way to buck the NCAA. If the NCAA is willing to settle for the normal punishment, Memphis ought to take that and run with it. Trying to further buck the system over a handful of additional games, many of which UofM should probably win with or without Wiseman, could cost them huge in the long run.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I guess that may be where I differ. I don’t know that Wiseman has much leverage. And I wouldn’t call settling for the normal suspension length “giving in to the norm”, because the norm would typically also include setting him while the NCAA investigated, as well, which could cost him additional games and retroactively cost Memphis vacated wins if they further continue to defy the NCAA.

One thing we know for certain about the NCAA, is they don’t like to be bucked, and Memphis has gone out of their way to buck the NCAA. If the NCAA is willing to settle for the normal punishment, Memphis ought to take that and run with it. Trying to further buck the system over a handful of additional games, many of which UofM should probably win with or without Wiseman, could cost them huge in the long run.
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Understood. Keep playing Wiseman, and the NCAA will enjoy the ratings that the games get. Do they really want him out of the NCAAT when that is their cash cow?

It will be interesting to see who folds first, if any.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Understood. Keep playing Wiseman, and the NCAA will enjoy the ratings that the games get. Do they really want him out of the NCAAT when that is their cash cow?

It will be interesting to see who folds first, if any.
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No, but the NCAAT doesn’t need James Wiseman to turn a tidy profit come tournament time. That will occur with or without him.
 
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cncchris33 said:
No, but the NCAAT doesn’t need James Wiseman to turn a tidy profit come tournament time. That will occur with or without him.
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They don't this year. But when it comes time to re-negotiate that deal, I am sure they pull out the ratings. I heard someone on radio say that Emmert's $4 million salary comes directly from the NCAAT money.
 
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allvol123 said:
Lol. You think he is the key to march madness ratings? Lol.
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If he is the #1 pick in the NBA draft, then it doesn't help for him to be out. He is a Zion type player (and yes, I know that Duke has a bigger following). Looking at it objectively, the NCAA needs players like James Wiseman to continue to play college ball so that they can generate the money.

I am actually someone who is anti-open market for college players. We are getting away from my original discussion. I was thinking out loud more as an attorney and how to attempt to handle the case.
 
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VolGee4 said:
They don't this year. But when it comes time to re-negotiate that deal, I am sure they pull out the ratings. I heard someone on radio say that Emmert's $4 million salary comes directly from the NCAAT money.
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I agree we are drifting away from the original discussion, but outside of the Super Bowl, the NCAAT is probably the most popular and profitable sporting event in the country. So, I would disagree that the NCAA needs any single athlete to make it any more successful than it would have already been. No one will withhold watching the NCAAT because James Wiseman isn't playing in it, not this year or any other year. It is simply too popular, mostly for gambling purposes.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I agree we are drifting away from the original discussion, but outside of the Super Bowl, the NCAAT is probably the most popular and profitable sporting event in the country. So, I would disagree that the NCAA needs any single athlete to make it any more successful than it would have already been. No one will withhold watching the NCAAT because James Wiseman isn't playing in it, not this year or any other year. It is simply too popular, mostly for gambling purposes.
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Watch what the rating are for the game tonight.
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
NCAA does make majority of their money from the b ball tournament.
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The point is that no single player is going to affect ratings of the most popular collegiate sporting event known to man. The NCAAT will still have hundreds of millions of viewers and they will still bring in money hand over fist.
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
Watch what the rating are for the game tonight.
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I agree that it might make tonight's game more appealing. But the NCAAT will be wholly unaffected. It doesn't need the popularity of one player to increase its own popularity. It is and will remain peaked in national interest.
 
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cncchris33 said:
The point is that no single player is going to affect ratings of the most popular collegiate sporting event known to man. The NCAAT will still have hundreds of millions of viewers and they will still bring in money hand over fist.
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I agree. That is where they make their money. Not football. The March tournament. I am saying watch the ratings tonight. There is a lot of attention on this. That one reason I believe the NCAA and Memphis will settle. But there are other issues.
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
I agree. That is where they make their money. Not football. The March tournament. I am saying watch the ratings tonight. There is a lot of attention on this. That one reason I believe the NCAA and Memphis will settle. But there are other issues.
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Quite honestly, though, the NCAA has little reason to settle if the argument is that this controversy has increased interest, ratings, and revenue. It would seem that they would benefit from a continued standoff.
 
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The ncaa isn’t going to make a dime more tonight if the ratings are good

They also won’t make any more $ if he’s in the tourney or not
 
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I think the point you all are missing, is the public is behind him. A lot of people are behind him. He won't make a dent in the tournament but what he will make a dent is in more public opinion as this goes on. Ratings will tonight will be an indicator.
 
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MFJones said:
Regardless of whether it was public knowledge is irrelevant to my point. Hardaway and the University were forth coming to NCAA with this information in early 2019. The NCAA made a ruling in favor of Wiseman, then reneged on their decision saying they had made an error in their judgement. Here in lies the problem. The NCAA’s (and potentially the UM’s) incompetence has lead to a young man’s potential ineligibility. Had the NCAA made this decision of ineligibility in May then Wiseman would have had the option to play for a different school.

Again, their is a 100% strong legal argument here. At best, the NCAA wins but not before a long and arduous legal process in the courts. Wiseman will be a lottery pick by then and UM may have to vacate wins. Worst case, for the NCAA, is they lose.

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So, after he was already signed.
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
I think the point you all are missing, is the public is behind him. A lot of people are behind him. He won't make a dent in the tournament but what he will make a dent is in more public opinion as this goes on. Ratings will tonight will be an indicator.
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I think a majority of the public is against paying players.
 
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BruinVol said:
I think a majority of the public is against paying players.
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Wtf? Who says it is about paying players? And you're wrong. Most people think players should get paid. The NCAA is inconsistent and interprets the bylaws how and when they want to. Case is point, Wiseman.
 
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