Wiseman ineligible

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cardvolfan said:
So Pearl lies, then admits after he gets caught, and is gone for 3 years. Hardaway lies, gets caught, and goes basically Scot-free?
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I suggested Pearl file a lawsuit back then. May not have prevailed, but it makes the NCAA pause.

But I am not sure of the exact details of Penny lying. If he had directly lied to an NCAA investigator, he would be in hot water too.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I suggested Pearl file a lawsuit back then. May not have prevailed, but it makes the NCAA pause.

But I am not sure of the exact details of Penny lying. If he had directly lied to an NCAA investigator, he would be in hot water too.
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I agree. UT should do the same. How long has Uros been sitting out?
 
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VolGee4 said:
You have to wait for the agreement before you can say that. If he gets roughly 6 or less, his week long lawsuit was worth it.
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Not really. If he really felt like he had as much leverage as many believed, he’d just keep on playing with his middle finger pointed at the NCAA. I said all along he should withdraw it and allow the NCAA to investigate for his own good and the good of his team. The NCAA has them dead to rights and could be forced to vacate at least one win, now.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Not really. If he really felt like he had as much leverage as many believed, he’d just keep on playing with his middle finger pointed at the NCAA. I said all along he should withdraw it and allow the NCAA to investigate for his own good and the good of his team. The NCAA has them dead to rights and could be forced to vacate at least one win, now.
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No they don't. Facts whether you like it or not. Penny has helped hundreds of families, maybe more. It had nothing to do with the NCAA. The booster bylaw is very vague. They won. We should do the same. Maybe there should be a class action lawsuut.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Not really. If he really felt like he had as much leverage as many believed, he’d just keep on playing with his middle finger pointed at the NCAA. I said all along he should withdraw it and allow the NCAA to investigate for his own good and the good of his team. The NCAA has them dead to rights and could be forced to vacate at least one win, now.
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Don’t agree at all. By filing the lawsuit, they controlled the situation. Waiting on an NCAA decision could have been weeks. My guess is there was no clarity when the NCAA wanted him to sit, and now there is clarity.
 
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Scenario 1 - Memphis sits Wiseman immediately. He is reinstated after 9 games. Let's say they still lose to Oregon and win one of NCSU or Ole Miss. They're rocking a 7-2 record going into Knoxville with Wiseman.

Scenario 2 - Memphis plays Wiseman against two cupcakes and Oregon. Wiseman subsequently sits the next 5 games and Memphis forfeits the first two wins. Now they're looking at 5-4 going into Knoxville with Wiseman.

If you got it down to 3 games, the scenario gets better and you effectively cut the suspension in half, but still had to forfeit.

It's a tough choice.
 
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gorockytop98 said:
Scenario 1 - Memphis sits Wiseman immediately. He is reinstated after 9 games. Let's say they still lose to Oregon and win one of NCSU or Ole Miss. They're rocking a 7-2 record going into Knoxville with Wiseman.

Scenario 2 - Memphis plays Wiseman against two cupcakes and Oregon. Wiseman subsequently sits the next 5 games and Memphis forfeits the first two wins. Now they're looking at 5-4 going into Knoxville with Wiseman.

If you got it down to 3 games, the scenario gets better and you effectively cut the suspension in half, but still had to forfeit.

It's a tough choice.
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He was eligible for the first game.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I think 6-8 is most likely. However I do wonder if NCAA looks at the fact Memphis wanted Wiseman out there for Oregon game and doesn’t really like that fact?
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Probably the opposite. ESPN sure wanted him out there and advertised it as such. Who knows what conversations took place between them and the NCAA on the matter.
 
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I think Wiseman sits anywhere between 5-10 games. He’ll be back sometime during conference play.
 
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VolGee4 said:
He was eligible for the first game.
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I'm honestly not sure about that unless you've heard differently.

I think they received the notice that his status was up in the air before the first game and got the new rules interpretation before the second game. I would think he had to sit once they got that first notice, but I'm not certain.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Don’t agree at all. By filing the lawsuit, they controlled the situation. Waiting on an NCAA decision could have been weeks. My guess is there was no clarity when the NCAA wanted him to sit, and now there is clarity.
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The NCAA wanted him to sit the moment he was declared ineligible by the NCAA. Isn’t that the entire point of declaring him ineligible? In what way did filing the lawsuit give Memphis and Wiseman control of anything outside of them seizing control of the decision to blatantly disregard the governing body’s decision by continuing to play him in games that they may ultimately have to vacate? Again, if they had the kind of control you seem to believe they had, then why drop the suit and serve any sort of suspension?
 
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cncchris33 said:
The NCAA wanted him to sit the moment he was declared ineligible by the NCAA. Isn’t that the entire point of declaring him ineligible? In what way did filing the lawsuit give Memphis and Wiseman control of anything outside of them seizing control of the decision to blatantly disregard the governing body’s decision by continuing to play him in games that they may ultimately have to vacate? Again, if they had the kind of control you seem to believe they had, then why drop the suit and serve any sort of suspension?
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Because it could have been drawn out for a lengthy time, and both sides want a decision. The hearing on Monday was just for the injunction and not on the merits.

If the NCAA was just going to deem him ineligible, investigate on their time, and consider a lengthy suspension, then that’s what you got. The lawsuit speeds up the timeline, and Wiseman is willing to sit for several games as long as it gets done. If he only gets 6, then he’s back for UT.

Wiseman and the university don’t want this over their heads every televised game, and the NCAA doesn’t want the publicity hit (which people can argue all day long but there is some backlash against the NCAA).
 
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