Wiseman ineligible

[cncchris33]

At Ohio State...Chase Young's punishment was lowered to 2 games.
Similar case.

Young cooperated after taking a loan from a family friend.

Wiseman sued the NCAA and defiantly played after his family took money from an AAU coach who has now twice benefitted from his relationship with Wiseman and may have to vacate wins at both programs as a result.

Not similar at all.

 

[cncchris33]

noted sports attorney Richard G Johnson stated his reasons that Memphis and Penny had done nothing wrong.
He was one of the first attorneys to take it to the NCAA and beat them.

Jerry Tarkanian also sued the NCAA...and beat them.
They are an unorganized bureaucracy.
With all the money they make they SHOULD have a crack team of lawyers...but they don't.
Duke, UNC...and other NCAA cheaters like LSU, Arizona, Kansas, KY all prove that,

Memphis and Penny have done nothing wrong? I guess that is why Wiseman is ineligible and facing a suspension. Give me a break. Take off your blue-tinted glasses.

 

[BigorangeBoy]

The injunction protected Memphis from having to forfeit anything. If they hadn't played him...the court would have held them in contempt of court.
Understand its nothing personal...Memphis is a NCAA institution...the injunction was filed against Memphis and the NCAA...but Memphis was behind it all the way.
Wiseman's legal team ensured the university could not be held liable for him playing by filing the injunction.
The school president is the only person who can rule a student ineligible...according to sports lawyer Richard G Johnson .

Not true that Memphis would have been in contempt for holding him out. They were perfectly fine with a judge ruling he was eligible (even though not in his jurisdiction). To avoid contempt they would have to appeal for a stay against the first judge’s ruling, arguing that the first ruling would put them in an adversarial position with their governing body. Similar to current state Dept employees asking for rulings on a subpoena to appear when their boss tells them not to honor it.

 

[JoAllan]

Not true that Memphis would have been in contempt for holding him out. They were perfectly fine with a judge ruling he was eligible (even though not in his jurisdiction). To avoid contempt they would have to appeal for a stay against the first judge’s ruling, arguing that the first ruling would put them in an adversarial position with their governing body. Similar to current state Dept employees asking for rulings on a subpoena to appear when their boss tells them not to honor it.

The fake ruling “allowed” him to play........in no way did it “force” Memphis to play him.

The school and coach could play whoever they want, they “chose” to play Wiseman.

 

[BigorangeBoy]

Not true

The fake ruling “allowed” him to play........in no way did it “force” Memphis to play him.

The school and coach could play whoever they want, they “chose” to play Wiseman.

I think we said the same thing, they were fine with playing him. Otherwise they university could have sought relief against the initial ruling.

 

[EarthBoundMisfit]

Young cooperated after taking a loan from a family friend.

Wiseman sued the NCAA and played after his family took money from an AAU coach who has now twice benefitted from his relationship with Wiseman and may have to vacate wins at both programs as a result.

Not similar at all.

the injunction PROTECTED the UofM.
If he didn't play...they would have been in contempt of court.
That's why Wiseman's attorneys filed the injunction the way that they did....so no forfeits this time.

 

[EarthBoundMisfit]

also of note....Wiseman and his team can refile their lawsuit...if they don't agree with the NCAA's deal.
Steve Farese and Leslie Ballin don't play.

 

[gordonr24]

Oregon kept Wiseman contained for most of the game.
He finally got it going (too late) in the 2nd half.

We lack size and enough big bodies. That’s the weakness.

 

[JoAllan]

I think we said the same thing, they were fine with playing him. Otherwise they university could have sought relief against the initial ruling.

Yea, we were pretty much. I was ambiguous, meant it wasn’t true that they “had” to play him.

 

[BigorangeBoy]

the injunction PROTECTED the UofM.
If he didn't play...they would have been in contempt of court.
That's why Wiseman's attorneys filed the injunction the way that they did....so no forfeits this time.

I can promise you that had this gone on the NCAA would have spanked the school. They are not going to allow a lower court judge (and UM grad) to circumvent their association rulings.

If this were true you’d have players getting sympathetic judges issuing “stays” against the NCAA all over the place just to make players eligible. UM would have to get his initial ruling vacated against the school, but (wink wink) we don’t want to not abide by the judicial order.

 

[EarthBoundMisfit]

We lack size and enough big bodies. That’s the weakness.

Our freshmen turned it over quite a few times trying to get the ball to him, instead of looking for other players who might be able to take it to the basket.
If they can ever get confidence in each other...they can make it a "pick your poison" decision...a la the 1990's Dallas Cowboys Sper Bowl teams.
Precious Achiuwa was a non factor in that game..one of his worst so far in the season.
With Oregon denying Wiseman...Precious should have been the guy going hard at the basket...If that happened..Oregon would have been forced to pick him up too...freeing up James or one of our shooters.


BTW...good to see you Gordon...been awhile.

 

[EarthBoundMisfit]

I can promise you that had this gone on the NCAA would have spanked the school. They are not going to allow a lower court judge (and UM grad) to circumvent their association rulings.

If this were true you’d have players getting sympathetic judges issuing “stays” against the NCAA all over the place just to make players eligible. UM would have to get his initial ruling vacated against the school, but (wink wink) we don’t want to not abide by the judicial order.

Politicians in the state legislature are vowing to enact laws to ensure that the NCAA will not be able to do this in the future to players like James.

The fact that they decided to deal...says the NCAA knew their position was weak.
James had been ruled eligible.
The NCAA went back and said he was ruled eligible erroneously...but they would not back out on that.

(Rumor has it that another school brought this to the NCAA's attention. A school that had been recruiting Wiseman...but didn't get him.
By curious coincidence...Mitch Barnhardt of UK is on the NCAA enforcement team this year? So we think UK is the butthurt team)

Now the NCAA goes back on that...so late in the process. James could have opted to play ball overseas and made a lot of money, but did not have that option so late in the game.
So, this ruling hurt his reputation and kept him from making money playing elsewhere...might have also hurt his potential draft stock.
Sorry...but the NCAA's goose would have been cooked...royally....whether you think so or not.
And after Wiseman got through winning...Penny would hire an attorney like Richard G Johnson...and gotten their azzes handed to them again.

In the end...it was good for all parties involved...as this has the potential to be solved quickly...instead of a long drawn out court process, and the NCAA gets to save some face by making him sit for some games.

 

[Dumbledorange]

completely inaccurate.
Memphis once had a special relationship with its high school players. A lot of the best players used to grow up wanting to be Tiger players when they grew up.
That relationship fizzled after Larry Finch was fired...as none of the head coaches afterward up until Pastner tried to rebuild inroads to Memphis high schools.
Pastner fizzled out..and Tubby Smith had absolutely no interest in recruiting.
As it was..Memphis kids had no interest in playing for him anyway..so his fate was sealed almost before the ink on his contract dried after initially signing it to begin with.

Penny is rebuilding the mindset of Memphis basketball under Dana Kirk and Larry Finch....we'll play anyone, anywhere, any time.
He can sell a vision of making it to the pros if you have the skillset...as the majority of he and his staff have NBA experience.

Great historical timeline.

I was around during the Moe Iba era. After that, the Memphis State powers-that-are decided that things must change.

At any cost.

 

[BigorangeBoy]

Politicians in the state legislature are vowing to enact laws to ensure that the NCAA will not be able to do this in the future to players like James.

The fact that they decided to deal...says the NCAA knew their position was weak.
James had been ruled eligible.
The NCAA went back and said he was ruled eligible erroneously...but they would not back out on that.

(Rumor has it that another school brought this to the NCAA's attention. A school that had been recruiting Wiseman...but didn't get him.
By curious coincidence...Mitch Barnhardt of UK is on the NCAA enforcement team this year? So we think UK is the butthurt team)

Now the NCAA goes back on that...so late in the process. James could have opted to play ball overseas and made a lot of money, but did not have that option so late in the game.
So, this ruling hurt his reputation and kept him from making money playing elsewhere...might have also hurt his potential draft stock.
Sorry...but the NCAA's goose would have been cooked...royally....whether you think so or not.
And after Wiseman got through winning...Penny would hire an attorney like Richard G Johnson...and gotten their azzes handed to them again.

In the end...it was good for all parties involved...as this has the potential to be solved quickly...instead of a long drawn out court process, and the NCAA gets to save some face by making him sit for some games.

Good luck getting TN legislators to write something that can be enforced against the NCAA. California was able to pull this off because of the antitrust implications, but at the gist of this is the fact that the family was given 11K to move from one TN city to another, whether a gift or loan is really immaterial in this case,

FWIW, others are saying Stackhouse was possibly involved in the complaint.

 

[Dumbledorange]

Penny really did this kid a disservice by recruiting him. He knows better. Kid could be playing for a national title somewhere else and improving his market value.

Here's Penny's problem. He has paid the kid/family and if Wiseman goes elsewhere...and his history catches up to him...Penny's smacked upside the head.

 

[VolGee4]

The injunction protected Memphis from having to forfeit anything. If they hadn't played him...the court would have held them in contempt of court.
Understand its nothing personal...Memphis is a NCAA institution...the injunction was filed against Memphis and the NCAA...but Memphis was behind it all the way.
Wiseman's legal team ensured the university could not be held liable for him playing by filing the injunction.
The school president is the only person who can rule a student ineligible...according to sports lawyer Richard G Johnson .

I am an attorney. Richard Johnson is an advocate against the NCAA. He may make some decent arguments, but I don’t believe they are always winning ones.

 

[cncchris33]

I am an attorney. Richard Johnson is an advocate against the NCAA. He may make some decent arguments, but I don’t believe they are always winning ones.

Exactly. Johnson sounds more like an ambulance chaser with an agenda than an impartial third party weighing in.

 

[BearCat204]

the injunction PROTECTED the UofM.
If he didn't play...they would have been in contempt of court.
That's why Wiseman's attorneys filed the injunction the way that they did....so no forfeits this time.

You keep repeating the same nonsense over and over like some bad infomercial.

 

[JoAllan]

the injunction PROTECTED the UofM.
If he didn't play...they would have been in contempt of court.
That's why Wiseman's attorneys filed the injunction the way that they did....so no forfeits this time.

You don’t know what your talking about.

The fake injunction “allowed” him to play.......not forced him to play.

The injunction also did not protect Memphis in any way, they would only be protected by a permanent ruling upholding the “temporary” injunction.

 

[VolArmy74]

The most hilarious irony of this situation, if the NCAA doesn't hammer Memphis, other programs will openly pay players. Memphis cannot financially compete with other programs in this regard. Memphis will basically be creating the means to it's own irrelevance.

 

[cncchris33]

You keep repeating the same nonsense over and over like some bad infomercial.

Yep. Just because the courts said UofM and the NCAA couldn't rule him ineligible to participate doesn't mean UofM had to play him. An injunction that allows him to play doesn't require that he play.

And when Wiseman is long gone, the NCAA won't care if the courts "PROTECTED" UofM. In the end, they will determine that Memphis played an ineligible player when they didn't have to.

 

[MFJones]

Politicians in the state legislature are vowing to enact laws to ensure that the NCAA will not be able to do this in the future to players like James.

The fact that they decided to deal...says the NCAA knew their position was weak.
James had been ruled eligible.
The NCAA went back and said he was ruled eligible erroneously...but they would not back out on that.

(Rumor has it that another school brought this to the NCAA's attention. A school that had been recruiting Wiseman...but didn't get him.
By curious coincidence...Mitch Barnhardt of UK is on the NCAA enforcement team this year? So we think UK is the butthurt team)

Now the NCAA goes back on that...so late in the process. James could have opted to play ball overseas and made a lot of money, but did not have that option so late in the game.
So, this ruling hurt his reputation and kept him from making money playing elsewhere...might have also hurt his potential draft stock.
Sorry...but the NCAA's goose would have been cooked...royally....whether you think so or not.
And after Wiseman got through winning...Penny would hire an attorney like Richard G Johnson...and gotten their azzes handed to them again.

In the end...it was good for all parties involved...as this has the potential to be solved quickly...instead of a long drawn out court process, and the NCAA gets to save some face by making him sit for some games.

Exactly. Well played by UofM. Despite what Bilas says.

 

[Jack Burton]

I’ll bet Wiseman is made eligible by the Tennessee game.

 

[Kosmalski]

Hey VolDave haven't seen u in a while

 

[OrangeVolMan]

Politicians in the state legislature are vowing to enact laws to ensure that the NCAA will not be able to do this in the future to players like James.

The fact that they decided to deal...says the NCAA knew their position was weak.
James had been ruled eligible.
The NCAA went back and said he was ruled eligible erroneously...but they would not back out on that.

(Rumor has it that another school brought this to the NCAA's attention. A school that had been recruiting Wiseman...but didn't get him.
By curious coincidence...Mitch Barnhardt of UK is on the NCAA enforcement team this year? So we think UK is the butthurt team)

Now the NCAA goes back on that...so late in the process. James could have opted to play ball overseas and made a lot of money, but did not have that option so late in the game.
So, this ruling hurt his reputation and kept him from making money playing elsewhere...might have also hurt his potential draft stock.
Sorry...but the NCAA's goose would have been cooked...royally....whether you think so or not.
And after Wiseman got through winning...Penny would hire an attorney like Richard G Johnson...and gotten their azzes handed to them again.

In the end...it was good for all parties involved...as this has the potential to be solved quickly...instead of a long drawn out court process, and the NCAA gets to save some face by making him sit for some games.

First, it’s a couple of legislators from Memphis who are running their mouth about legislation. Doesn’t mean it is going to pass. The ones running their mouth are not high up the food chain at the legislature.
Second, State law does not supersede the NCAA. The NCAA is a voluntary organization of which Memphis is a member. For example, the injunction doesn’t keep the NCAA from going back and making Memphis forfeit the one game they won while playing Wiseman.