With Saban gone Kirby now owns this conference

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PEPPERJAX said:
UGA can't sign all of the good recruits.
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True, but they do get to cherry pick the 5 stars they want. Having said that, the portal will make it hard to keep all of them, but that uga is recruiting OVER some of their 5 stars which pushes them into the portal is depressing as heck.
 
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CMcEver said:
The East was horrible the whole time too, rarely getting tested until December. With the expanded SEC, I would imagine undefeated seasons will be much tougher for anyone.
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Who knows what's going to happen with the expansion of the CFP's & Oklahoma/Texas coming to the SEC. I do believe UT will be in the CFP next year, though.
 
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1. Smart won’t own the SEC. That’s not a thing when you’ve got 16 teams and 8 conference games, plus the portal, plus the rise of NIL. He has to show that he can win it all with different coordinators and QBs, etc.

2. But some of the knocks on him here are hilarious.
 
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CMcEver said:
It's not a great coaching job though, it's having more talent than everyone else. Nothing impressive about that, sorry.
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Dude you just sound butthurt and bitter. Assembling talent is a huge part of the job. It's what Fulmer was good at too. Plenty of guys don't win with top tier talent. Saban and Kirby beat the hell out of people with it. Year after year. Not sure what else they are supposed to do.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Dude you just sound butthurt and bitter. Assembling talent is a huge part of the job. It's what Fulmer was good at too. Plenty of guys don't win with top tier talent. Saban and Kirby beat the hell out of people with it. Year after year. Not sure what else they are supposed to do.
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Butthurt about what? That's not good coaching, that's recruiting, and the landscape is changing. He won games he was supposed to win, its as simple as that.
 
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nlovu said:
Saban was the only one who owned Kirby. Now that Saban is gone, Kirby will just recruit guys that Bama would have gotten and just be that much more talented. It's pretty much Georgia's conference, and in some ways, the country. They will have more talent than anyone every year.
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Time will tell. He can’t take all of the Georgia guys and all of the Bama guys. Lol. He only gets the same number of scholarships as everyone else. And in the world of NIL (plus the transfer portal/immediate eligibility for transferring players) the bigger challenge is only so many kids are going to be able to “Star” on a team at any given time. That is what I believe will create more parity as the years go by. And we should really like where we are as the talent starts to even out some because that means X’s and O’s become more important than Jimmy and Joe’s.

Saban won by always having a staggering talent advantage over all his opponents and the old rules prevented many of those kids from transferring. That’s obviously the same model uga has followed. But they just can’t hold on to that much of an advantage these days. I like where we sit with Heupel. I wouldn’t be surprised to also see coaches like Kiffin and Lincoln Riley get to the top of the sport.
 
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CMcEver said:
Butthurt about what? That's not good coaching, that's recruiting, and the landscape is changing. He won games he was supposed to win, its as simple as that.
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You do understand that the single most important job of a college coach is recruiting, right? A college coach who doesn't recruit well is like an accountant that doesn't do debits and credits.
 
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05_never_again said:
You do understand that the single most important job of a college coach is recruiting, right? A college coach who doesn't recruit well is like an accountant that doesn't do debits and credits.
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Nothing like that, those are both parts of accounting by definition. Look up the definition of coaching and get back to me.
 
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CMcEver said:
Nothing like that, those are both parts of accounting by definition. Look up the definition of coaching and get back to me.
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A college coach who does not recruit is not doing his job. This might be my single favorite "argument" that people have about college coaching.

If you walked up to any college coach and said "Hey man, you know recruiting isn't part of your job" they'd laugh their ass off.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Time will tell. He can’t take all of the Georgia guys and all of the Bama guys. Lol. He only gets the same number of scholarships as everyone else. And in the world of NIL (plus the transfer portal/immediate eligibility for transferring players) the bigger challenge is only so many kids are going to be able to “Star” on a team at any given time. That is what I believe will create more parity as the years go by. And we should really like where we are as the talent starts to even out some because that means X’s and O’s become more important than Jimmy and Joe’s.

Saban won by always having a staggering talent advantage over all his opponents and the old rules prevented many of those kids from transferring. That’s obviously the same model uga has followed. But they just can’t hold on to that much of an advantage these days. I like where we sit with Heupel. I wouldn’t be surprised to also see coaches like Kiffin and Lincoln Riley get to the top of the sport.
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how has Smart kept people from transferring? Carson Beck sat three years behind a walk on before starting.

UGA loses and has consistently lost a ton of talent to the transfer portal every year. Justin Fields left. Jermaine Johnson. Jermaine Burton. AD Mitchell. Bear Alexander. Each of these guys were tops at their position on their new team. There were several other guys who left and immediately took starting roles on new teams: Cade Mays and Brenton Cox come to mind. UGA has dealt with high levels of attrition from 2019 on.

And I don’t get the idea that UGA’s scheme isn’t elite. Smart took Mark Richt’s roster to the national championship game. Tennessee’s offense in 2022 was historically good, and UGA’s offense was… 9 yards per game worse (511 to 502) against FBS teams, and UGA averaged more yards per play. Both teams replaced offensive coordinators and QBs this year, and UGA dropped 10 yards per game but kept the same yard per play. Tennessee dropped more than 60 yards per game and more than half a yard per play. UGA’s scheme held up while Tennessee’s output suffered without the dudes it had last year.
 
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05_never_again said:
A college coach who does not recruit is not doing his job. This might be my single favorite "argument" that people have about college coaching.

If you walked up to any college coach and said "Hey man, you know recruiting isn't part of your job" they'd laugh their ass off.
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I'm not arguing it isn't part of his job, I'm saying that's recruiting not coaching, and with the changing landscape in college football, can he win with even talent? That's coaching. I doubt he can. I doubt a lot of great college coaches could, which is why they never went to the NFL, and if they did, rarely succeed.
 
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CMcEver said:
I'm not arguing it isn't part of his job, I'm saying that's recruiting not coaching, and with the changing landscape in college football, can he win with even talent? That's coaching. I doubt he can. I doubt a lot of great college coaches could, which is why they never went to the NFL, and if they did, rarely succeed.
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Virtually all the great coaches take the field with more talent than their opponent. That's the entire point. Show me an elite coach who routinely takes the field with less or as much talent as their opponent and wins a lot. There will always be haves and have nots when it comes to talent, regardless of the landscape, and a great college coach will take the field with more talent than their opponent.

Who cares if great college coaches couldn't do well in the NFL. It's a totally different skill set. I bet a ton of NFL coaches wouldn't do well in college.
 
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CMcEver said:
It's not a great coaching job though, it's having more talent than everyone else. Nothing impressive about that, sorry.
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Last I checked, recruiting is part of the college coaching job; he’s literally doing his job and doing it better than anyone else.
 
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VolInNW said:
It’s always so touching to see the usual cast of Voldawgs gush over uga any chance they get.

Good grief, people. That obnoxious fanbase and trash program do not need your support. Seriously.
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It’s always nice to see dumb posts like these. Voldawgs? Grow up. Giving opinions on a rival team isn’t the same as being a fan of said team.
 
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BS...............................
With the addition of Texas and OK..........UGA will follow Clemson in coming back to the pack.
Dynasties as we knew them are gone. College Football is now the NFL Minor League. Between NIL, Portals and all the rest of the CRAP, College Football is gone. I will continue to go, tail gate, consume adult beverages and then go home and watch the games on TV.
In a few years you will see the NCAA gone, a couple SUPER Conferences being run by ESPN, HULU or whoever comes up with the most Jack. The freakin 4 and 5 Stars today are demanding money just to visit your campus. You think they give a crap about the school....it is about the draft postion and making money.
 
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Advol said:
BS...............................
With the addition of Texas and OK..........UGA will follow Clemson in coming back to the pack.
Dynasties as we knew them are gone. College Football is now the NFL Minor League. Between NIL, Portals and all the rest of the CRAP, College Football is gone. I will continue to go, tail gate, consume adult beverages and then go home and watch the games on TV.
In a few years you will see the NCAA gone, a couple SUPER Conferences being run by ESPN, HULU or whoever comes up with the most Jack. The freakin 4 and 5 Stars today are demanding money just to visit your campus. You think they give a crap about the school....it is about the draft postion and making money.
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and then there’s this

 
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Visidog said:
and then there’s this

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So what. Players and coaches talk tough. He'll transfer if he finds a better offer. I don't like, you don't either, but get used to that being the landscape now. Every team is dealing with it.
 
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Advol said:
BS...............................
With the addition of Texas and OK..........UGA will follow Clemson in coming back to the pack.
Dynasties as we knew them are gone. College Football is now the NFL Minor League. Between NIL, Portals and all the rest of the CRAP, College Football is gone. I will continue to go, tail gate, consume adult beverages and then go home and watch the games on TV.
In a few years you will see the NCAA gone, a couple SUPER Conferences being run by ESPN, HULU or whoever comes up with the most Jack. The freakin 4 and 5 Stars today are demanding money just to visit your campus. You think they give a crap about the school....it is about the draft postion and making money.
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This. Worst thing for Kirby is the weak SEC East Division is gone. No more weak TN and FL.

Hell. Tn would have completely owned the East for years without Spurrier and Florida.

These things don't happen in a vacuum
 
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TN1111 said:
So what. Players and coaches talk tough. He'll transfer if he finds a better offer. I don't like, you don't either, but get used to that being the landscape now. Every team is dealing with it.
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Kirby had an interesting idea. New recruits could pick to sign a 1-year NLI that left them free to transfer with immediate eligibility and a school to pull their scholarship after 1 year, or a 3-year NLI that bound the school and player together for 3 years. The player could still transfer but would not have eligibility to compete at a new school until his NLI expired. Schools can re-recruit their 1-year guys, but don’t have to. They can also extend beyond 3 years, of course, but the player is free to transfer after 3.
 
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