Wonder why Texas and USC dominate polls?

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Auburn was overlooked last year(polls), Bama and Bulldogs possibly overlooked this year as well.
Total population of CA-36million, Texas-23 million
All 12 SEC Teams-55 million. :wavey:
 
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It's not a conspiracy, just the nature of a very imperfect beast.
 
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Plus the networks know that SEC fans will watch their teams no matter what. In major pro markets like LA, San Diego, San Fran, Dallas and Houston they only way they can get alot of people to wath college ball is if the "local" team is playing for all the marbles.
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 28, 2005 12:25 PM
It's not a conspiracy, just the nature of a very imperfect beast.
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My friend, you understate your case. I almost hoped Auburn would go undefeated again this year, just to see if they'd get left out AGAIN. Jesus, imagine it. There'd be a riot througout the southeastern United States.

We need a playoff, and that's the end of the f***ing argument.
 
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Maybe because Auburn played LA-Monroe, The Citadel, and LA-Tech? USC has been a media darling for almost 4 years now since THEY got hosed before their current run. Texas is finally living up to their hype.

No doubt Bama and GA should get a look if either wins out...

-See 'ya in a week!
 
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As it stands right now, the spots that TX and USC currently occupy are well justified. USC hasn't lost in about 45 years. TX began as a preseason Top 3 team and beat Ohio St. on the road, OU, and #7 Tech. We've also won each game handily. Granted, in hindsight, these victories may not be as impressive as they seemed at the time.

Let's not forget that TX is #1 in (I think) every computer poll which cannot be biased. Each poll uses different criterion and all came up with the same result. As the computers go - so goes TX. In 3 or 4 weeks, the same computers will be penalizing TX and rewarding the 3-6 teams. TX may very well be passed.

If Va Tech, Ga or Bama win out, then the argument can definitely be made that all deserve a shot. I guess we'll see...
 
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Let the top 4 play against each other in the bowl games and then add one for the 2 winners to play. What's the big deal with that?? It's just one more week of football for two schools.
 
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The problem with SEC schools in the BCS is a generally weak out of conference schedule, which the computer cannot help but dislike. You frequently D-IAA and low level D-IA schools on most teams' schedules. Tennessee seems to be the only program that doesn't do that with any regularity.

I'm not saying it makes the SEC any worse, it just hurts computer standings to be having nearly every team schedule a very weak OOC. It's not an opinion, it's just how it goes.

And yes, playoffs now.
 
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Division 1-A spend more time making excuses for not having a playoff while 1-AA Division 2 Division 3 seem to have a great playoff system and there season is done well before the bcs bowls.
The excuse i hear is that it will take away from the acedemics. Why the hell are they in college in the first place. Are they saying that these kids are too dumb to think for themselves while they reap the financial rewards from the players jerseys and playstion games.
 
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Same type of imbalance and bias that's been going on since the end of the Civil War. This bias cost Peyton Manning the HiesTman trophy.
 
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Originally posted by RoseBowlChamps@Oct 28, 2005 5:07 PM
As it stands right now, the spots that TX and USC currently occupy are well justified.  USC hasn't lost in about 45 years.  TX began as a preseason Top 3 team and beat Ohio St. on the road, OU, and #7 Tech.  We've also won each game handily.  Granted, in hindsight, these victories may not be as impressive as they seemed at the time. 

Let's not forget that TX is #1 in (I think) every computer poll which cannot be biased.  Each poll uses different criterion and all came up with the same result.  As the computers go - so goes TX.  In 3 or 4 weeks, the same computers will be penalizing TX and rewarding the 3-6 teams.  TX may very well be passed. 

If Va Tech, Ga or Bama win out, then the argument can definitely be made that all deserve a shot.  I guess we'll see...
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What you forget is the nature of computers themselves. They only output a compilation of input. That is, they can only reach conclustions based on particular information that they receive. If the information being input is flawed or biased, so will be the results.
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Originally posted by RoseBowlChamps@Oct 28, 2005 5:07 PM
As it stands right now, the spots that TX and USC currently occupy are well justified.
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But if Bama or Georgia win out (I actually think neither will, but I also think USC wouldn't in the SEC either) then they are just as justified as UT or USC, and it is a clear case of one team getting left out, with the rub being that the deciding factor is basically that UT USC was the matchup that ESPN has wanted all season and preseason because it's easy to hype as two hiesman candidates going at it. How do you hype up a well balanced team like Bama? The reason the Pac-10 is so loved by ESPN is because it has no defense and frequently one team blows out the other, or the combined score approaches 100. It's not fun to watch these games live, but when was the last time you saw a regular pac-10 game on ESPN? Its all about the sportscenter highlights and pregame hype. The Pac-10 is about one notch above ConferenceUSA and the only reason Cal and the likes are ranked is because they play USC. USC is very similar to last years Louisville team, except with a slightly better defense, but they are by no means balanced. Watch Tennessee hold Notre Dame to under 14 (I still think we will probably lose) and still tell me that USC's defense is that good.
 
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While I agree that we need a playoff and the current system is flawed, does anyone honestly think GA or Bama should be ranked ahead of USC or TX or even VaTech for that matter? Rankings at the beginning of the season have big implications because as long as an undefeated keeps winning no voters are going to drop them in the polls, and the polls have an effect on BCS rankings. I would have a hard time believing anyone on this board actually had Bama or GA as a better team than USC or TX at the beginning of the season. It will never be right until we get a playoff system.
 
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Originally posted by cibai@Oct 29, 2005 6:50 AM
But if Bama or Georgia win out (I actually think neither will, but I also think USC wouldn't in the SEC either) then they are just as justified as UT or USC, and it is a clear case of one team getting left out, with the rub being that the deciding factor is basically that UT USC was the matchup that ESPN has wanted all season and preseason because it's easy to hype as two hiesman candidates going at it. How do you hype up a well balanced team like Bama? The reason the Pac-10 is so loved by ESPN is because it has no defense and frequently one team blows out the other, or the combined score approaches 100. It's not fun to watch these games live, but when was the last time you saw a regular pac-10 game on ESPN? Its all about the sportscenter highlights and pregame hype. The Pac-10 is about one notch above ConferenceUSA and the only reason Cal and the likes are ranked is because they play USC. USC is very similar to last years Louisville team, except with a slightly better defense, but they are by no means balanced. Watch Tennessee hold Notre Dame to under 14 (I still think we will probably lose) and still tell me that USC's defense is that good.
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I would put down $100 that says USC would go undefeated in the SEC in this season or even the last two.

Glad to see another west-coast football hater. Don't be jealous because people over here actually know how to run an offense. :peace2:
 
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There are probably 8-10 teams that would be favored against Alabama or Georgia on a neutral field. We need to face facts, the SEC isn't very good this season.
 
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While driving home from work I caught a sportstalk show that had as a guest one of the contributors for the 'college football encyclopedia'. He claims Georgia has an excellent chance by seasons end, if they win out, to surpass Texas or USC and play in the Title game. I wish I'd written his name down, he had more facts than allvol, seemed to be really knowledgable.
 
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Originally posted by la.lovesorange@Oct 29, 2005 3:07 PM
I think I would have to go against you on that. :whistling:
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Who would have beaten them?
 
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Oregon huh? its not so much running offense as lack of defense. Must I remind you that you were down 21-17 to THE UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON this year?
Its not that USC couldn't beat any of the SEC teams in a game, they are damn good. Its that they couldnt beat ALL the SEC teams they would have to play in any given season. I dont like Auburn, but they would have given USC as much as they could handle last year in the NC, but why didn't they? because Oklahoma had two heisman candidates is why.
 
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Who would beat USC in the SEC this year? GA and Bama are the "best" teams right now and USC would kill either one.
 
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Unfortunately, yes. There's that and the fact that Oklahoma had easily the best regular season in the country last year. Hindsight is 20/20, and Auburn probably would have given USC a far better game than Oklahoma did, but going into the national title there's nothing that says Auburn would have done any better. Auburn did well, don't get me wrong, but Oklahoma just decimated the Big 12, not to mention that 5 of the 6 teams in the Big XII South were ranked top 25 more often than not. Then the Sooners defense goes and holds the oppossing defense to around 60 yards total offense in the conference championship. Any way you slice it, that is damned impressive. Anybody that says Auburn should have been in the Orange Bowl without doubt either saw something I didn't or is a complete SEC homer.
 
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Originally posted by holdemvol@Oct 29, 2005 3:11 PM
Who would beat USC in the SEC this year?  GA and Bama are the "best" teams right now and USC would kill either one.
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His point was not USC vs. any single team, but USC facing at least either Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, or Alabama, Auburn, LSU. Say 4 or 5 of those six teams. I would put my money down that says USC could run the table on all those teams. But that's just me. It would be tough for anybody.
 
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Originally posted by cibai@Oct 29, 2005 2:19 PM
Oregon huh? its not so much running offense as lack of defense. Must I remind you that you were down 21-17 to THE UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON this year?
Its not that USC couldn't beat any of the SEC teams in a game, they are damn good. Its that they couldnt beat ALL the SEC teams they would have to play in any given season. I dont like Auburn, but they would have given USC as much as they could handle last year in the NC, but why didn't they? because Oklahoma had two heisman candidates is why.
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BTW, I'm not really a UofO fan.
 
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