Working On The Trap's SEC East Predictions...

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hatvol96

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Is it just me or are Vanderbilt, South Carolina, and Florida essentially the same team?
 
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I honestly don't know so sorry to change the topic a bit... is it just me or am I the only one who views Vanderbilt as a threat this year and completely underrated? Return everyone and added a freshman that can score every way imaginable? If Ogilvy takes the next step and Jenkins pops it..... fudge. Could be the dark horse if they are worthy of even being called that. They are a legit team that I feel is a legit threat to not only the SEC but to do some damage in the NCAA tournament.
 
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Im looking foward to see how good Scotty Hopson is this year and how well we play now that all our young guys got some experience
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
I honestly don't know so sorry to change the topic a bit... is it just me or am I the only one who views Vanderbilt as a threat this year and completely underrated? Return everyone and added a freshman that can score every way imaginable? If Ogilvy takes the next step and Jenkins pops it..... fudge. Could be the dark horse if they are worthy of even being called that. They are a legit team that I feel is a legit threat to not only the SEC but to do some damage in the NCAA tournament.
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I agree. After last years defensive performance you worry that they will have a freshman more suited to lighting us up for 50 than any of the KY guys.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
I honestly don't know so sorry to change the topic a bit... is it just me or am I the only one who views Vanderbilt as a threat this year and completely underrated? Return everyone and added a freshman that can score every way imaginable? If Ogilvy takes the next step and Jenkins pops it..... fudge. Could be the dark horse if they are worthy of even being called that. They are a legit team that I feel is a legit threat to not only the SEC but to do some damage in the NCAA tournament.
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They do return everyone. However, they were pretty awful for a good portion of last year. I see them like I see Florida and South Carolina: a 'AA bubble team with some massive holes.
 
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i want to see if maze improved,also our 3 point shooting as well as the thing we are suppose to call defense
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
I honestly don't know so sorry to change the topic a bit... is it just me or am I the only one who views Vanderbilt as a threat this year and completely underrated? Return everyone and added a freshman that can score every way imaginable? If Ogilvy takes the next step and Jenkins pops it..... fudge. Could be the dark horse if they are worthy of even being called that. They are a legit team that I feel is a legit threat to not only the SEC but to do some damage in the NCAA tournament.
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Very limited athleticism and no D. Without Memorial, they aren't a .500 team.
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Outside of select teams a lot of them do have holes. They aren't North Carolina by any means but I just think they are a very good team. They definitely struggled last year but like Tennessee, they had no real leadership. The truly talented teams don't need it but the better you are at playing with each other, the more it helps. Kentucky will be the team that wins on all talent in the SEC and Tennessee/Vandy will be the teams that win with talent/chemistry. I don't know as much about basketball as you Hat but I just personally think Vanderbilt is a team that could make noise. I think they have a solid foundation and Ogilvy could be one of those guys... he is a really solid player and I think he is one of those guys that another season will only make him better. I think he has yet to plateau like say Tyler Smith who I don't know how much better he'll get. I hope he does but dang... the whole team needs to work on offense but he himself really only needs to work on ill advised shots(I know he tries to carry the load) but.... if he hits more of those little turn around fadeways in the paint with a hand in his face then he is the real deal offensive. He is usually on or off with that little turn around fadeaway of his. Sometimes he bricks everything and sometimes he hits unbelievable shots everytime he puts it up.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Very limited athleticism and no D. Without Memorial, they aren't a .500 team.
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I don't know... you can't teach chemistry and Ogilvy now has a sharp shooter to dish it out to. I don't know how Jenkins will fair in every aspect of the game but he will bury threes. He appears as if he will be the real deal at the next level.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
I don't know... you can't teach chemistry and Ogilvy now has a sharp shooter to dish it out to. I don't know how Jenkins will fair in every aspect of the game but he will bury threes. He appears as if he will be the real deal at the next level.
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Collegiate benches are littered with guys that buried the 3 in HS. Jenkins might be the man, but unlikely he'll be that deadly as a freshman. Ogilvy is the softest player in the conference.

The talent disparity between VU and UT is relatively large.

Chemistry matters, but it it one of the most hackneyed media inventions ever. Talent and execution win.
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BigPapaVol said:
Very limited athleticism and no D. Without Memorial, they aren't a .500 team.
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That is pretty much the perpetual Vanderbilt scouting report. I'm still not sure why Stallings hasn't moved on to a stop where he can get some athletes.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Collegiate benches are littered with guys that buried the 3 in HS. Jenkins might be the man, but unlikely he'll be that deadly as a freshman. Ogilvy is the softest player in the conference.

The talent disparity between VU and UT is relatively large.

Chemistry matters, but it it one of the most hackneyed media inventions ever. Talent and execution win.
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Sorry, but doesn't execution go hand in hand with chemistry? i.e., the better the team chemistry the better the team will execute in game situations
 
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bigorange16 said:
Sorry, but doesn't execution go hand in hand with chemistry? i.e., the better the team chemistry the better the team will execute in game situations
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No. The better coached and disciplined a team, the better it executes. Guys don't have to like each other to appraoch games professionally and play well.
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bigorange16 said:
Sorry, but doesn't execution go hand in hand with chemistry? i.e., the better the team chemistry the better the team will execute in game situations
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Not necessarily. There are plenty of championship teams who hated each other's guts. "Chemistry" is a term created by sports pundits to cover pretty much anything they can't understand.
 
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ManchesterVol said:
Has anyone else really had any interest in him?
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He could have certainly gotten involved with some of the Big 10 and Big 12 jobs that have been open recently. I'm still amazed he declined to even talk in meaningful terms to Indiana when they canned Sampson.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Not necessarily. There are plenty of championship teams who hated each other's guts. "Chemistry" is a term created by sports pundits to cover pretty much anything they can't understand.
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This is the greatest definition yet for that word. Overrated word by far.
 
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downey will cause sc to beat a few teams they shouldn't..just like last year
 
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I do find it difficul when trying to predict the SEC East this year finding any way to separate Vandy, SC and Florida in the standings.

It seems that Florida has the most talent of the 3, but that same talent has yet to prove they can play a high level. Maybe they will actually play better team ball without the Greek eating all the shots. Optimistically for their fans think UT Football minus Peyton, plus Tee Martin.

SC has to great guards, which will take you a long way, but will struggle against teams that also have good guard play. Horn seems like a good game day coach and may make the most of his opportunities.

Vandy has 4 star talent at every position with no real star. Ogilvie home perm is the softest player in the league and if he is the "leader" of the team then they will play soft just like last year. Jenkins may be great, but we will have to see. They need to develop some toughness and burn down that ridiculous gym. Maybe burning down the gym only helps the rest of us, but it is a good idea.

At this point, I think you have to go Florida (based on talent level and history), then SC (based on guard play), then Vandy (unless they get tougher). Of course UGA brings up the rear by a wide margin. There is a chance that all 3 make the NCAAs, but most likely just 1 or 2 will based on who wins the head to heads between the 3.

It is going to make for a great SEC season in the East as no game (outside of UGA) should be a foregone conclusion even for UK and UT. Sleep walk in any game and all 3 of these teams could hand you your butt. Not to mention Ole Miss & Miss State. The SEC may not be dominate this year, but it will be improved and fairly balanced in the middle as well.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Is it just me or are Vanderbilt, South Carolina, and Florida essentially the same team?
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Draw names out of a hat. They are the same. If I had to guess I'd go Florida, Vandy, and South Carolina. That's still a big problem putting a team with Devan Downey that low so I don't know.
 
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I think UF is a little better than Vandy, USClite, but without a doubt, the last couple years, Billy D. has definetly underwhelmed me.
 
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I think I take Vandy from that crew because of the enormous homecourt advantage. UF is gonna struggle replacing Calathes (except on D) and Downey has a lot to overcome, including Horn.
 
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