World Wide Suicide

[rpvol]

Some lyrics from Pearl Jam's World Wide Suicide. It really reflects what is going on in today's world based on our current administration. Thoughts?

"I felt the earth on Monday. It moved beneath my feet
in the form of a morning paper. Laid out for me to see.

Saw his face in a corner picture. I recognized the name.
Could not stop staring at the. Face I'd never see again.

It's a shame to awake in a world of pain
What does it mean when a war has taken over

It's the same everyday in a hell manmade
What can be saved, and who will be left to hold her?

The whole world,... world over.
It's a worldwide suicide.

The whole world,... world over.
It's a worldwide suicide.

Medals on a wooden mantle. Next to a handsome face.
That the president took for granted.
Writing checks that others pay.

And in all the madness. Thought becomes numb and naive.
So much to talk about there's. Nothing for to say.

It's the same everyday and the wave won't break
Tell you to pray, while the devil's on their shoulder

Laying claim to the take our soldiers save
Does not equate, and the truth's already out there

The whole world,... world over.
It's a worldwide suicide.

The whole world,... world over.
It's a worldwide suicide.

Looking in the eyes of the fallen
You got to know there's another, another, another, another
Another way"

Great song. RIP all the fallen heros in Iraq and around the world.

 

[BigPapaVol]

If you're under the impression that the world has just now turned to war, you might go to the library and check out some history books.

 

[rpvol]

I am under the impression that this is a good song and very reveleant in today's society. It has been around a couple of years but I thought I would share for those that had not heard it to get people's opinion of the lyrics. I am fully aware that this world had been at war of some kind for probably as long as there have been people here, but thanks just the same for pointing that out. You are a sharp individual.

:salute:

 

[Vol Mania 21]

rpvol ans. my que in the cod4 thread

 

[MG1968]

I don't remember all this left wing handwringing during Clinton's illegal war in Bosnia. That little conflict liberated millions of Muslims as well, though the difference then was that the oppressors were white Christians.

 

[BigPapaVol]

I am under the impression that this is a good song and very reveleant in today's society. It has been around a couple of years but I thought I would share for those that had not heard it to get people's opinion of the lyrics. I am fully aware that this world had been at war of some kind for probably as long as there have been people here, but thanks just the same for pointing that out. You are a sharp individual.

:salute:

then why the need for the current administration portion of the question. Maybe I wrongly assumed that you were blaming war on the current administration.

 

[doozer]

It really reflects what is going on in today's world based on our current administration. Thoughts?

interesting.

it may have something to do with the fact that the song is specifically about the current administration.

 

[rpvol]

interesting.

it may have something to do with the fact that the song is specifically about the current administration.

Exactly. I wonder how much money Mr. Bush has made off the oil industry? I am sure that had no bearing whatsoever on this war. It was all about terroism.

At any rate, its a good song and I think it speaks volumes.

 

[JTrainDavis]

I don't remember all this left wing handwringing during Clinton's illegal war in Bosnia. That little conflict liberated millions of Muslims as well, though the difference then was that the oppressors were white Christians.

The world has no interest in news of wars of anykind, unless it involves American or Israeli soldiers killing civilians, in actuality or speculatively.

Exactly. I wonder how much money Mr. Bush has made off the oil industry? I am sure that had no bearing whatsoever on this war. It was all about terroism.

Okay Michael Moore, once you stop getting your ammo from the local cinema screen, we might be able to have a discussion on this. Naturally the Bush family has made money from the oil industry, but that will happen when you've been involved in it since the early 50's. This whole illusion the Left has of oil executives lining up with briefcases full of money in a shadowy parking garage convincing the administration to invade Iraq is ridiculous.

 

[KB5252]

Exactly. I wonder how much money Mr. Bush has made off the oil industry? I am sure that had no bearing whatsoever on this war. It was all about terroism.

At any rate, its a good song and I think it speaks volumes.

I detect sarcasm. Ok, in what way has Bush or his family made profits from the war in Iraq? Would you blame Bush for current gas prices over the enviro movement which has tied our hands, preventing us from becoming so dependent on foreign oil? If you cared so much about the environment wouldn't you rather have your oil drilled in a country where there are mandates, making the process cleaner or in the middle east where they have no such regulations and produce oil the cheapest possible way, with no regard for the environment?

 

[rpvol]

Okay Michael Moore, once you stop getting your ammo from the local cinema screen, we might be able to have a discussion on this. Naturally the Bush family has made money from the oil industry, but that will happen when you've been involved in it since the early 50's. This whole illusion the Left has of oil executives lining up with briefcases full of money in a shadowy parking garage convincing the administration to invade Iraq is ridiculous.

Michael Moore? Cinema? If people think that oil did not play a part in this war, they are just wrong. I am not saying it was the sole reason, but a part. Those people were killing innocent people long before we went there and they will long after we leave. It's just a shame that so many of our soldiers have died over a country that is not a serious direct threat to us. A small threat maybe, but there are others that were a bigger threat in my opinion. (North Korea) Oh wait, theres no oil there...If we took on them, maybe that makes a bigger statement to the terrorists than what we have.

 

[rpvol]

I detect sarcasm. Ok, in what way has Bush or his family made profits from the war in Iraq? Would you blame Bush for current gas prices over the enviro movement which has tied our hands, preventing us from becoming so dependent on foreign oil? If you cared so much about the environment wouldn't you rather have your oil drilled in a country where there are mandates, making the process cleaner or in the middle east where they have no such regulations and produce oil the cheapest possible way, with no regard for the environment?

I blame Bush for much more than our gas prices.

 

[KB5252]

Michael Moore? Cinema? If people think that oil did not play a part in this war, they are just wrong. I am not saying it was the sole reason, but a part. Those people were killing innocent people long before we went there and they will long after we leave. It's just a shame that so many of our soldiers have died over a country that is not a serious direct threat to us. A small threat maybe, but there are others that were a bigger threat in my opinion. (North Korea) Oh wait, theres no oil there...If we took on them, maybe that makes a bigger statement to the terrorists than what we have.

You have to understand the implications of any action. A line had to be drawn in the sand somewhere. If you invade North Korea you bring China into the mix (very dangerous). You go after Iran and you upset the vast majority of muslims world wide (not just the radicals). Iraq was alone because Saddam had burned his bridges long ago and no one would come to his aid. Iraq was the logical choice to send a message to the world during a very dangerous time. That being said I believe the current admin did not take into consideration all the possibilities and prepare for them. Bush's biggest mistake was not listening to his military advisers and giving them the resources they needed.

 

[KB5252]

I blame Bush for much more than our gas prices.

I blame Bush for plenty too. What else do you blame him for?

 

[rpvol]

I blame Bush for plenty too. What else do you blame him for?

I am just very disheartened with politics in general. It just seems to me that Bush has quite a bit of blood on his hands. The way we are viewed by other countries has to be ridiculous and it has to be in large part his fault. I mean listening to the guy give a speech is just plain awful. It's just a shame that we are fighting a war that MANY people knew we would never even come close to winning is sad especially for all the family members of the soldiers that have died.

I am sure we will be no better off with McCain or Obama/Clinton.

 

[KB5252]

I am just very disheartened with politics in general. It just seems to me that Bush has quite a bit of blood on his hands. The way we are viewed by other countries has to be ridiculous and it has to be in large part his fault. I mean listening to the guy give a speech is just plain awful. It's just a shame that we are fighting a war that MANY people knew we would never even come close to winning is sad especially for all the family members of the soldiers that have died.

I am sure we will be no better off with McCain or Obama/Clinton.

I've understand but I have news for you. Many of those countries you speak have felt that way about us for years, unless they want or need some help or resources. This war can be won but I'm afraid our resolve as a society is not strong enough. We bind the hands of our military and ask them to fight. IMO this is because we as a society feel we need to know everything that is going on during a time of conflict. It is by no coincidence that we as a nation have not defeated an enemy since we allowed modern tv reporting from the front lines. The dynamics have changed too. Gorilla warfare has become the norm and now they hide behind civilians because they know we will not put them in harms way if possible.

 

[rpvol]

I've understand but I have news for you. Many of those countries you speak have felt that way about us for years, unless they want or need some help or resources. This war can be won but I'm afraid our resolve as a society is not strong enough. We bind the hands of our military and ask them to fight. IMO this is because we as a society feel we need to know everything that is going on during a time of conflict. It is by no coincidence that we as a nation have not defeated an enemy since we allowed modern tv reporting from the front lines. The dynamics have changed too. Gorilla warfare has become the norm and now they hide behind civilians because they know we will not put them in harms way if possible.

Yes, and he defiantely didn't help us there at all.

I understand what you are saying completely, but I respectfully disagree that this war can be won.

 

[615 Vol]

I think Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam have strong enough opinions that they would go after either side on this. I highly doubt Eddie is a party hack for the Dems that likes to pick on the right.

 

[rpvol]

I think Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam have strong enough opinions that they would go after either side on this. I highly doubt Eddie is a party hack for the Dems that likes to pick on the right.

I agree 100%. He calls things just like he sees them...

 

[KB5252]

Yes, and he defiantely didn't help us there at all.

I understand what you are saying completely, but I respectfully disagree that this war can be won.

You misunderstood. I don't think this war can be won or any other for that matter because we simply do not have the cojones to do what it takes. It could be won though. To win at war you have to break the enemies and the populations will to fight. Until we learn that you leave the fighting to the warriors we will not win another war.

 

[rpvol]

You misunderstood. I don't think this war can be won or any other for that matter because we simply do not have the cojones to do what it takes. It could be won though. To win at war you have to break the enemies and the populations will to fight. Until we learn that you leave the fighting to the warriors we will not win another war.

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You will never break their will to fight when dying "in battle" to them means going to heaven. That is exactly why this war is a losing battle for us. We can stay 10 more years and that will never change.

 

[KB5252]

I think Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam have strong enough opinions that they would go after either side on this. I highly doubt Eddie is a party hack for the Dems that likes to pick on the right.

Most artist do know what their fans want to hear and taking a pro war stand could hinder their career. That being said I can't speak on this particular artist.

 

[KB5252]

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You will never break their will to fight when dying "in battle" to them means going to heaven. That is exactly why this war is a losing battle for us. We can stay 10 more years and that will never change.

That is where you are wrong. You punish your enemy long and hard enough they will begin to question their resolve. There is a way to defeat the martyrdom problem too. When Europe ruled the area and were trying to put down revolt they would bury those killed after being bathed in pigs blood, thus making them unclean per the Koran and denying them paradise. They used this method to success in their endeavors. You just have to be willing to do what it takes.

 

[615 Vol]

Most artist do know what their fans want to hear and taking a pro war stand could hinder their career. That being said I can't speak on this particular artist.

Well, they got booed big time at the concert I attended a few years ago here in Nashville. They were at Starwood and Eddie Vedder was french kissing a Bush mask that was attached to his mic stand and he had a few choice words also. He wouldn't have gotten booed any louder if he went to the Wildhorse Saloon and told the crowd that queers wear cowboy hats and Nascar sucks.

I agree with you, there are a lot of phony acts but Pearl Jam is not one of them.

 

[rpvol]

That is where you are wrong. You punish your enemy long and hard enough they will begin to question their resolve. There is a way to defeat the martyrdom problem too. When Europe ruled the area and were trying to put down revolt they would bury those killed after being bathed in pigs blood, thus making them unclean per the Koran and denying them paradise. They used this method to success in their endeavors. You just have to be willing to do what it takes.

So Bush is not willing to do what it takes....more blood spilled. Great job.