Would the U.S. vet a Palestinian state resolution by the U.N.?

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It may not come to that but I'm not for sure the present administration would veto such a resolution, especially considering some of Obama's public remarks.

A Bosnian Serb may prevent “Palestine”… | Capital J | JTA - Jewish & Israel News

AP's Aida Cerkez reports that the triumvirate that constitutes Bosnia's presidency -- a Croat, a Serb and a Muslim -- cannot come to terms on whether to vote for statehood on the Security Council.

Palestinians say they have eight votes, just one short of the nine out of 15 majority needed to pass, and then trigger a U.S. veto.

Such votes requires a consensus among the three-person presidency; the Muslim favors Palestinian statehood; the Croat is unsure; and the Serb is against. So no vote.
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"Officially the presidency has no position and if there is no position then the Bosnian ambassador to the U.N. has no position," he told The Associated Press.
 
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We have already said that we would veto Palestinian membership.
 
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Why is this our business?

Because of our seat on the UN security
Council.

FWIW, both Sarkozy and Obama at the recent G20 meeting, because of an open mike they didn't know was on, made some rather disparaging remarks toward Netanyahu that became public.

Should be rather embassing to both.
 
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Because of our seat on the UN security
Council.

FWIW, both Sarkozy and Obama at the recent G20 meeting, because of an open mike they didn't know was on, made some rather disparaging remarks toward Netanyahu that became public.

Should be rather embassing to both.

Right. We should give up that seat.

Why should one be embarrassed about saying disparaging things about Netanyahu?
 
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We have already said that we would veto Palestinian membership.

My question was, do you think we would carry through
or renege on that promise?

I'm not sure I would trust Obama to carry through, if he
would betray america to our enemies no doubt he would
have no problem betraying Israel.

Obama is on record as saying he believes Israel should
retreat to pre 1967 areas, which means post 1948 areas when Egypt, Syria and Jordan usurped areas of Israel and held them for only 19 years.

If Israel were to go to the 1919 borders they would
greatly expand, after all they gave up Gaza to the
Arabs and that was orginally part of the Israeli partition,
so is Judea and Samaria which is now widely referred to
as 'the west bank' of Jordan, which never has had any
legal claim to the area.

'Palestinian' is a bit of a misnomer from the beginning.

A telling testimony: My former colleagues, all of whom
were British officers in the Palestine Police, tell me they
have documentary proof that the "Palestinians" are not
and never were "Palestinians." They were and are illegal
migrants into the Land of Israel from all the surrounding
Arab countries, and they came searching for work and
food from the Jewish settlers, because in their own Arab
countries, they were homeless, jobless and on the verge
of starvation.


As someone wrote in the Chicago Tribune: The massive
Arab immigration into Palestine during the Mandate
period accounts for roughly 75 percent of the
supposedly "Palestinian" population present at the time
of the partition in 1948.


Or as a Professor stated: Obviously the great majority
of "Palestinians" were themselves Immigrants or sons or
grandsons of immigrants from other Arab lands, that
came to partake of the prosperity generated by the
Jews. Entire towns and villages in 1948 could trace
their origins to other countries...


Or as others have phrased it: Eighty per cent of
current 'Palestinians' are illegal immigrants or the children
or grandchildren thereof who were quietly welcomed by
the British administrators of the Mandate. Any Arab
peasant or job seeker found a ready welcome in
unadministered "refugee camps", becoming a 'Palestinian'
overnight.


Or as respected Jurist who lectured at the Academy of
International Law in the Hague asserted: most of the
inhabitants of Palestine were not the descendants of its
original indigenous population, but rather many were
immigrants themselves.


Or as a scientist has put it: The absolute majority of the
so-called Palestinians are descendants of the Twentieth
Century Arab immigrants who searched for a rewarding
chunk of the economical boom engendered by the
returning Jews.


Or in the words of renowned researcher: There is no
age-old Palestinian people. Most so-called Palestinians
are relative newcomers to The Land of Israel.




Right. We should give up that seat.

Why should one be embarrassed about saying disparaging things about Netanyahu?

I wouldn't be opposed to the total abolishment of the
decidedly corrupt UN and quit funding them but to say
we should keep funding them and give up our seat on
the security council is about the most absurd and stupid
statement I've ever read on this forum.

Why you ask? Because it isn't good form to publicly
disparage any head of state for the sake of good
diplomacy.

From whence do you come with these ridiculous
questions and statements?



Was that a serious question?

Sadly, I believe so.

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Yes. Should we revere Netanyahu?

No one has said he should be revered, that he should
be respected should go without question.

He should never have been shown the back door on his
first visit to the White House, do you not agree?
 
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I do not respect Netanyahu. I do not expect anyone else to either.

You don't get why it's a problem for our president to make disparaging remarks about the leader of one of our most strategically crucial allies while standing near an open mic?
 
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You don't get why it's a problem for our president to make disparaging remarks about the leader of one of our most strategically crucial allies while standing near an open mic?

Considering the fact that I do not think we should be allied with Israel, no.
 
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You don't get why it's a problem for our president to make disparaging remarks about the leader of one of our most strategically crucial allies while standing near an open mic?

How do you and I benefit having Israel as an ally? Seems like they're just a headache.
 
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How do you and I benefit having Israel as an ally? Seems like they're just a headache.

How are they a headache? Because their neighbors don't like them? Their military capabilities help keep an extremely volatile part of the global community in check.
 
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How are they a headache? Because their neighbors don't like them? Their military capabilities help keep an extremely volatile part of the global community in check.

Are you serious? We are always worried about Israel, and I don't see us getting anything in return. Basically what you are saying is that they help us police their own neighborhood. I still don't see the gain for us.
 
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Are you serious? We are always worried about Israel, and I don't see us getting anything in return. Basically what you are saying is that they help us police their own neighborhood. I still don't see the gain for us.

You don't appear to know who else resides in that neighborhood.
 
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It doesn't matter who else resides there. The neighbors wouldn't give a damn about us if we weren't helping Israel police the neighborhood.

Ah, the old Ron Paul method of foreign policy. "If we just weren't friends with Israel, then all the Arabs would love us."

I really wish the world were that simple.
 
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I care little about who else resides in that neighborhood. Israel can either be an independent state and defend itself or not. Not my problem.

One can argue plenty about the amount of aid we provide Israel. But suggesting that they aren't a valuable ally is more than naive, it's intellectually dishonest.
 
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Ah, the old Ron Paul method of foreign policy. "If we just weren't friends with Israel, then all the Arabs would love us."

I really wish the world were that simple.

I do not care whether or not the Arabs love us or hate us. I also do not care whether or not the Israelis love us or hate us.
 
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One can argue plenty about the amount of aid we provide Israel. But suggesting that they aren't a valuable ally is more than naive, it's intellectually dishonest.

I am not all that concerned with alliances; historically, they have been the key to brutal entanglements.
 
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Ah, the old Ron Paul method of foreign policy. "If we just weren't friends with Israel, then all the Arabs would love us."

I really wish the world were that simple.

You simplified his argument into a point that he's never made. They don't care if we trade and are on good terms with Israel....they care that we threw our lot in with them 60 years ago, and have been policing the ME ever since. We don't need the Arabs to "love us", we just don't want them to be mad enough to attack innocent American civilians.

You wouldn't like it if a world power like the USSR were controlling events in our neck of the woods. It's really that simple.
 
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You simplified his argument into a point that he's never made.

Sorry, I didn't mean to attribute that exact phrase to him. Only the idea that the best foreign policy is hyper-isolationism.


They don't care if we trade and are on good terms with Israel....

I disagree with that about as much as I possibly can. There is a standing policy in many Arab nations that Israel should be wiped off the map. I don't think they'd draw much distinction between "on good terms with" and "supporting" a nation they view as the source of all evil.
 

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