WTF with the blown charging/blocking calls?

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With his team having been called for charging 39 times and drawn only nine charges, Kentucky Coach John Calipari asked a basic question Monday. “If I’m in the act of shooting, but I haven’t left my feet, can (the defender) then slide in there?” he said. “Because that’s what they’re doing.”

The answer, which Calipari might not like, is yes. The defender can do that.

“That’s a legal defender,” said John Adams, the NCAA National Men’s Basketball Officiating Coordinator.
During a telephone interview Tuesday, Adams went so far as to refute a commonly held belief that a defender seeking to draw a charge must be set in a stationary position.

“Most people will tell you, ‘He was moving!’” Adams said. “It’s irrelevant. … There’s no standard of being set at the time of contact.”

A defender can move side to side or backward in reaction to an offensive player, Adams said. The defender cannot move forward into the ball-handler.

“To draw a charge, all a defender has to do is face his opponent (and) have both feet on the floor for an instant,” Adams said. “After which, he can move to maintain legal guarding position.”

More than once Monday, Calipari lamented some of the charging calls against Kentucky. He mentioned it when asked on a Southeastern Conference coaches’ teleconference about the 39-9 disparity. He again expressed concern in speaking with reporters Monday night.

During the latter, the UK coach raised a hypothetical set of circumstances, which he said might help clarify a block or charge.

“If I’m in motion to shoot and (the defender) slides under me, but I haven’t left my feet yet, that is a charge?” Calipari said. “Maybe that clears it up a little bit with all of us, me included. …

“Then, all right, then we’ll slip in there (also).”

Adams noted the importance in Calipari’s scenario of an offensive player still having his feet on the floor. In that case, the onus of avoiding the charge is on the ball-handler.

“If you’re in control of the ball, you’re the one responsible for your actions …” the national coordinator said. “Once a guy leaves the floor, the defender can’t move.” Adams acknowledged that the calls are subjective.

“It’s always going to be judgment,” he said.
Block/charge is a difficult one for referees.

“It’s an emotional play,” Adams said. “Almost always involves a score or scoring attempt. Always around the basket. Everybody is focused on that moment.

“What the referee is trying to do is focus on the defender. The shooter is going to get to the defender. You don’t need to worry about him. You need to know what was the defender’s status at the moment of contact.”

Adams said he could not comment on any calls involving Kentucky. But the supervisor added that the referees are correct more often than not.

“North of 75 percent,” he said.

Read more here: Kentucky basketball notes: Referee supervisor says defender doesn’t have to be set to draw a charge | KentuckySports: The Latest | Kentucky.com
 
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75% isn't good enough. The rule needs to be clarified, because it seems that this season more often than not, the refs appear to be flipping a mental coin before making a call.
 
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75% isn't good enough. The rule needs to be clarified, because it seems that this season more often than not, the refs appear to be flipping a mental coin before making a call.

Teague just needs to throw a few jump stops/floaters during a game to give the refs something to think about. Until then he isn't going to get these calls.
 
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Part of it is Cal's dribble drive, which encourages drawing contact using players that are faster and more athletic than the average player. At least if you miss the shot, Cal's counting on getting the free throws. Not happening so much this year.

But in general, as I watch other teams outside UK, interpretation of this rule flat-out sucks.
 
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With his team having been called for charging 39 times and drawn only nine charges, Kentucky Coach John Calipari asked a basic question Monday. “If I’m in the act of shooting, but I haven’t left my feet, can (the defender) then slide in there?” he said. “Because that’s what they’re doing.”

The answer, which Calipari might not like, is yes. The defender can do that.

“That’s a legal defender,” said John Adams, the NCAA National Men’s Basketball Officiating Coordinator.
During a telephone interview Tuesday, Adams went so far as to refute a commonly held belief that a defender seeking to draw a charge must be set in a stationary position.

“Most people will tell you, ‘He was moving!’” Adams said. “It’s irrelevant. … There’s no standard of being set at the time of contact.”

A defender can move side to side or backward in reaction to an offensive player, Adams said. The defender cannot move forward into the ball-handler.

“To draw a charge, all a defender has to do is face his opponent (and) have both feet on the floor for an instant,” Adams said. “After which, he can move to maintain legal guarding position.”

More than once Monday, Calipari lamented some of the charging calls against Kentucky. He mentioned it when asked on a Southeastern Conference coaches’ teleconference about the 39-9 disparity. He again expressed concern in speaking with reporters Monday night.

During the latter, the UK coach raised a hypothetical set of circumstances, which he said might help clarify a block or charge.

“If I’m in motion to shoot and (the defender) slides under me, but I haven’t left my feet yet, that is a charge?” Calipari said. “Maybe that clears it up a little bit with all of us, me included. …

“Then, all right, then we’ll slip in there (also).”

Adams noted the importance in Calipari’s scenario of an offensive player still having his feet on the floor. In that case, the onus of avoiding the charge is on the ball-handler.

“If you’re in control of the ball, you’re the one responsible for your actions …” the national coordinator said. “Once a guy leaves the floor, the defender can’t move.” Adams acknowledged that the calls are subjective.

“It’s always going to be judgment,” he said.
Block/charge is a difficult one for referees.

“It’s an emotional play,” Adams said. “Almost always involves a score or scoring attempt. Always around the basket. Everybody is focused on that moment.

“What the referee is trying to do is focus on the defender. The shooter is going to get to the defender. You don’t need to worry about him. You need to know what was the defender’s status at the moment of contact.”

Adams said he could not comment on any calls involving Kentucky. But the supervisor added that the referees are correct more often than not.

“North of 75 percent,” he said.

Read more here: Kentucky basketball notes: Referee supervisor says defender doesn’t have to be set to draw a charge | KentuckySports: The Latest | Kentucky.com

Not that it would make that much difference, but I guess this means that Kentucky will get to shoot 50 free throws instead of 35 when Tennessee goes to Lexington.
 
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Unless you are John Wall then you can take out Wayne Chism while he is in the air, crack his hipin the process, and still pick up the charge
 
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Unless you are John Wall then you can take out Wayne Chism while he is in the air, crack his hipin the process, and still pick up the charge
Yeah, can't really feel sorry for Calipari post-John Wall. Dude lived off this crap.

College officiating is terrible, move on.
 
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With his team having been called for charging 39 times and drawn only nine charges, Kentucky Coach John Calipari asked a basic question Monday. “If I’m in the act of shooting, but I haven’t left my feet, can (the defender) then slide in there?” he said. “Because that’s what they’re doing.”

The answer, which Calipari might not like, is yes. The defender can do that.

“That’s a legal defender,” said John Adams, the NCAA National Men’s Basketball Officiating Coordinator.
During a telephone interview Tuesday, Adams went so far as to refute a commonly held belief that a defender seeking to draw a charge must be set in a stationary position.

“Most people will tell you, ‘He was moving!’” Adams said. “It’s irrelevant. … There’s no standard of being set at the time of contact.”

A defender can move side to side or backward in reaction to an offensive player, Adams said. The defender cannot move forward into the ball-handler.

“To draw a charge, all a defender has to do is face his opponent (and) have both feet on the floor for an instant,” Adams said. “After which, he can move to maintain legal guarding position.”

More than once Monday, Calipari lamented some of the charging calls against Kentucky. He mentioned it when asked on a Southeastern Conference coaches’ teleconference about the 39-9 disparity. He again expressed concern in speaking with reporters Monday night.

During the latter, the UK coach raised a hypothetical set of circumstances, which he said might help clarify a block or charge.

“If I’m in motion to shoot and (the defender) slides under me, but I haven’t left my feet yet, that is a charge?” Calipari said. “Maybe that clears it up a little bit with all of us, me included. …

“Then, all right, then we’ll slip in there (also).”

Adams noted the importance in Calipari’s scenario of an offensive player still having his feet on the floor. In that case, the onus of avoiding the charge is on the ball-handler.

“If you’re in control of the ball, you’re the one responsible for your actions …” the national coordinator said. “Once a guy leaves the floor, the defender can’t move.” Adams acknowledged that the calls are subjective.

“It’s always going to be judgment,” he said.
Block/charge is a difficult one for referees.

“It’s an emotional play,” Adams said. “Almost always involves a score or scoring attempt. Always around the basket. Everybody is focused on that moment.

“What the referee is trying to do is focus on the defender. The shooter is going to get to the defender. You don’t need to worry about him. You need to know what was the defender’s status at the moment of contact.”

Adams said he could not comment on any calls involving Kentucky. But the supervisor added that the referees are correct more often than not.

“North of 75 percent,” he said.

Read more here: Kentucky basketball notes: Referee supervisor says defender doesn’t have to be set to draw a charge | KentuckySports: The Latest | Kentucky.com

When you have a kid who can block everything inside, you don't have to worry about trying to draw charges. Could be why KY hasn't received many defensive charging calls.
 
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Isn't the purpose of the DDO is to kick the ball out and drive into the paint? Run more set plays outside the paint or shoot floaters. Dono
 
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Isn't the purpose of the DDO is to kick the ball out and drive into the paint? Run more set plays outside the paint or shoot floaters. Dono

Penetrate, if you don't have a shot, dish. Repeat until you score.

Here's the deal...last night was a first in all my 40 years of watching basketball. Teague drives the lane and crashes into an Arkansas player. One ref calls a charge, the other calls blocking. What gets called? Double foul. On a charge/block. That's just stupid. It's either/or.
 
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Having true freshmen running your team every year has nothing to do with it. They all play great team D and never leave their feet.
 
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I agree that 75% isn't good enough.
Calipari's scenario is exactly what happened late in the first half on Saturday between Stokes and Teague, yet the blabbering Gottlieb didn't know the rule either.

Honestly, the fact that Calipari couldn't define a charge probably has something to do with his team's charging ratio. How's he going to teach his guys to avoid charging and draw their own charges when he doesn't even know the rule himself?

If anything, it's going to be near-impossible to judge when the act of shooting starts if a jump shooter hasn't even started to jump. So, it's simpler than that...the defender has to be set before the shooter leaves the floor.

But, yeah, 75% is not good.
 
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Penetrate, if you don't have a shot, dish. Repeat until you score.

Here's the deal...last night was a first in all my 40 years of watching basketball. Teague drives the lane and crashes into an Arkansas player. One ref calls a charge, the other calls blocking. What gets called? Double foul. On a charge/block. That's just stupid. It's either/or.

In principle, it looks stupid, but if the refs collectively judge it too-close-to-call, then what can they do? Maybe a jump ball?

As soon as they make simultaneous different calls, they're already screwed.
 
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Seasoned, you whippersnapper.

you wish.
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