Yahoo! Sports reporter responds to criticism of Floyd story

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I couldn't find the other thread.

Yahoo! Sports reporter responds to criticism of Floyd story - USC - OCRegister.com

(on whether sources’ criminal records affect their credibility)

We’ve got dozens of sources who have contributed to our reports and who have pristine records. So to say that everyone behind these reports is a felon is simply not true. That said, absolutely, some of the sources of these allegations do have records. But these are also people who spent years of their lives – years – in friendships or financial relationships with Reggie Bush and O.J. Mayo. We can’t help who Bush and Mayo consorted with. That was a decision they made – not us.

At the end of the day, we can only determine if people are bringing credible information to us. And these central figures, from Louis Johnson to Michael Michaels to Lloyd Lake and many others, have all produced some kind of evidence to back up what they are alleging. We’ve gotten copies of financial records, e-mails, receipts, audio tapes, court testimony and many other pieces of evidence. If everyone is lying, all I can say is this would have to be one of the most massive conspiracies of all time.

One other thing I want to point out: Bush and Mayo haven’t brought charges or sued a single person making these allegations. They haven’t sued any of the media outlets reporting these stories. If everyone is lying or there is no truth to the stories, how does that make sense? Meanwhile, Bush and Mayo haven’t refuted any of the evidence. They’ve simply made blanket denials and refused to speak further. Once again, I ask, does that make sense?
 
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droski said:
I couldn't find the other thread.

Yahoo! Sports reporter responds to criticism of Floyd story - USC - OCRegister.com

(on whether sources’ criminal records affect their credibility)

We’ve got dozens of sources who have contributed to our reports and who have pristine records. So to say that everyone behind these reports is a felon is simply not true. That said, absolutely, some of the sources of these allegations do have records. But these are also people who spent years of their lives – years – in friendships or financial relationships with Reggie Bush and O.J. Mayo. We can’t help who Bush and Mayo consorted with. That was a decision they made – not us.

At the end of the day, we can only determine if people are bringing credible information to us. And these central figures, from Louis Johnson to Michael Michaels to Lloyd Lake and many others, have all produced some kind of evidence to back up what they are alleging. We’ve gotten copies of financial records, e-mails, receipts, audio tapes, court testimony and many other pieces of evidence. If everyone is lying, all I can say is this would have to be one of the most massive conspiracies of all time.

One other thing I want to point out: Bush and Mayo haven’t brought charges or sued a single person making these allegations. They haven’t sued any of the media outlets reporting these stories. If everyone is lying or there is no truth to the stories, how does that make sense? Meanwhile, Bush and Mayo haven’t refuted any of the evidence. They’ve simply made blanket denials and refused to speak further. Once again, I ask, does that make sense?
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Good Points....Bush and Mayo aren't going to deny it, for fear of purgery. Besides, they have what they want....they probably couldn't care less about the outcome at this point.

I wait with keen anticipation for the over-the-top-arrogant posters who revere coaches such as Floyd and Calipari and place them on a god-like pedestal try to spin this one off.......
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
Good Points....Bush and Mayo aren't going to deny it, for fear of purgery. Besides, they have what they want....they probably couldn't care less about the outcome at this point.

I wait with keen anticipation for the over-the-top-arrogant posters who revere coaches such as Floyd and Calipari and place them on a god-like pedestal try to spin this one off.......
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so because a reporter defends his sources without producing the actual evidence they have, he's the credible one over the players and coaches? Brilliant.

Floyd or Mayo could have just as easily written that up and would you have believed them? No, because you obviously have some naive bias that a reporter wouldn't be trying to make a name for himself.
 
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volfanbill said:
so because a reporter defends his sources without producing the actual evidence they have, he's the credible one over the players and coaches? Brilliant.

Floyd or Mayo could have just as easily written that up and would you have believed them? No, because you obviously have some naive bias that a reporter wouldn't be trying to make a name for himself.
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If this reporter sticks his neck out for a story that has no basis or merit then his career would be over, destroyed. Why would he do this if his evidence or sources were shaky? It doesn't make any sense, he would gain nothing.
 
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KB5252 said:
If this reporter sticks his neck out for a story that has no basis or merit then his career would be over, destroyed. Why would he do this if his evidence or sources were shaky? It doesn't make any sense, he would gain nothing.
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he wouldn't be the first or the last to do it though. Reporters do it all the time. He might get fired from his current employer, but someone, somewhere would pick him up and he'd just start rebuilding.
 
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volfanbill said:
so because a reporter defends his sources without producing the actual evidence they have, he's the credible one over the players and coaches? Brilliant.

Floyd or Mayo could have just as easily written that up and would you have believed them? No, because you obviously have some naive bias that a reporter wouldn't be trying to make a name for himself.
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Easy tiger.....
What's brilliant is that this is not the first time these allegations have arose. This has been an ongoing investigation for quite a while, and anyone who follows any inkling of NCAA Basketball and Football knows it has. This is just another reporter throwing his dart at the board. If this was the only report, then it could easily be dismissed.
It is not. Its not even the second or third. To think otherwise is the epitomy of being naive.

And the reporter does bring up a valid point, regardless of any evidence being displayed: Why has Mayo and/or Bush never publicly denied these allegations?

And trust me, living in a town that publishes the KNS is enough proof to know that I do not put alot of respect in reporters that are out there simply to make a name for themselves....
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
Good Points....Bush and Mayo aren't going to deny it, for fear of purgery. Besides, they have what they want....they probably couldn't care less about the outcome at this point.

I wait with keen anticipation for the over-the-top-arrogant posters who revere coaches such as Floyd and Calipari and place them on a god-like pedestal try to spin this one off.......
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Didn't have to wait too long, did you?

volfanbill said:
so because a reporter defends his sources without producing the actual evidence they have, he's the credible one over the players and coaches? Brilliant.

Floyd or Mayo could have just as easily written that up and would you have believed them? No, because you obviously have some naive bias that a reporter wouldn't be trying to make a name for himself.
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btw, I believe the reporter in this case.
 
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volfanbill said:
he wouldn't be the first or the last to do it though. Reporters do it all the time. He might get fired from his current employer, but someone, somewhere would pick him up and he'd just start rebuilding.
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Really? Reporters do this all the time? Just make up facts? Please provide examples to back your assertion? I can only think of two in the past 15 years, but I guess there are more if we are to believe you.
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
Easy tiger.....
What's brilliant is that this is not the first time these allegations have arose. This has been an ongoing investigation for quite a while, and anyone who follows any inkling of NCAA Basketball and Football knows it has. This is just another reporter throwing his dart at the board. If this was the only report, then it could easily be dismissed.
It is not. Its not even the second or third. To think otherwise is the epitomy of being naive.

And the reporter does bring up a valid point, regardless of any evidence being displayed: Why has Mayo and/or Bush never publicly denied these allegations?

And trust me, living in a town that publishes the KNS is enough proof to know that I do not put alot of respect in reporters that are out there simply to make a name for themselves....
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And until the NCAA can throw down a sanction these reports will still be as valid as Mayo and Bush's denials
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Why haven't OJ Mayo or Reggie Bush sued Lloyd Lake or Louis Johnson for defamation? For the same reason Lake or Johnson haven't sued anyone who has ripped them. Nobody can make a winnable case in this situation, regardless of who's telling the truth. I love it when wannabe lawyers start babbling. Here's some advice from a real life lawyer: If you can't spell "perjury," you shouldn't be talking about the possibility of someone being charged with it.
 
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droski said:
I couldn't find the other thread.

Yahoo! Sports reporter responds to criticism of Floyd story - USC - OCRegister.com

(on whether sources’ criminal records affect their credibility)

We’ve got dozens of sources who have contributed to our reports and who have pristine records. So to say that everyone behind these reports is a felon is simply not true. That said, absolutely, some of the sources of these allegations do have records. But these are also people who spent years of their lives – years – in friendships or financial relationships with Reggie Bush and O.J. Mayo. We can’t help who Bush and Mayo consorted with. That was a decision they made – not us.

At the end of the day, we can only determine if people are bringing credible information to us. And these central figures, from Louis Johnson to Michael Michaels to Lloyd Lake and many others, have all produced some kind of evidence to back up what they are alleging. We’ve gotten copies of financial records, e-mails, receipts, audio tapes, court testimony and many other pieces of evidence. If everyone is lying, all I can say is this would have to be one of the most massive conspiracies of all time.

One other thing I want to point out: Bush and Mayo haven’t brought charges or sued a single person making these allegations. They haven’t sued any of the media outlets reporting these stories. If everyone is lying or there is no truth to the stories, how does that make sense? Meanwhile, Bush and Mayo haven’t refuted any of the evidence. They’ve simply made blanket denials and refused to speak further. Once again, I ask, does that make sense?
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How would OJ Mayo have the first clue as to whether or not Tim Floyd handed Rodney Guillory a cash filled envelope on Valentine's Day 2007?
 
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droski said:
I couldn't find the other thread.

Yahoo! Sports reporter responds to criticism of Floyd story - USC - OCRegister.com

(on whether sources’ criminal records affect their credibility)

We’ve got dozens of sources who have contributed to our reports and who have pristine records. So to say that everyone behind these reports is a felon is simply not true. That said, absolutely, some of the sources of these allegations do have records. But these are also people who spent years of their lives – years – in friendships or financial relationships with Reggie Bush and O.J. Mayo. We can’t help who Bush and Mayo consorted with. That was a decision they made – not us.

At the end of the day, we can only determine if people are bringing credible information to us. And these central figures, from Louis Johnson to Michael Michaels to Lloyd Lake and many others, have all produced some kind of evidence to back up what they are alleging. We’ve gotten copies of financial records, e-mails, receipts, audio tapes, court testimony and many other pieces of evidence. If everyone is lying, all I can say is this would have to be one of the most massive conspiracies of all time.

One other thing I want to point out: Bush and Mayo haven’t brought charges or sued a single person making these allegations. They haven’t sued any of the media outlets reporting these stories. If everyone is lying or there is no truth to the stories, how does that make sense? Meanwhile, Bush and Mayo haven’t refuted any of the evidence. They’ve simply made blanket denials and refused to speak further. Once again, I ask, does that make sense?
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If Louis Johnson is so credible, how come no publishing house has touched his book in the year and a half he's been hawking it? Don Yeager had no problem getting someone to print "Tarnished Heisman." Once again, I ask, does that make sense?
 
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hatvol96 said:
Why haven't OJ Mayo or Reggie Bush sued Lloyd Lake or Louis Johnson for defamation? For the same reason Lake or Johnson haven't sued anyone who haS ripped them. Nobody can make a winnable case in this situation, regardless of who's telling the truth. I love it when wannabe lawyers start babbling. Here's some advice from a real life lawyer: If you can't spell "perjury," you shouldn't be talking about the possibility of someone being charged with it.
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I love it too when wannabe men attempt to criticize someone's grammar as the sole basis of their argument.
By the way, is there special emphasis placed on that "S" in the word "has"? Is this a new grammatical technique that we are unaware of?

If you want to argue the points, then do it. Don't resort to petty "Oh - he can't spell it right - I've got him".
A "real-life lawyer" would realize that many legal cases can't be won by pointing out that someone mispronounced a word that has no relevance to the actual case at hand.

BTW - thanks for the corretion on the misspelling. Grammar was not my main focus on that post. A valid discussion was. You should try it.
 
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hatvol96 said:
The Ignore Function: Making Threads Look Smarter To Me Than They Actually Are.
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The Ignore Function: Hat's way of avoiding an argument he can't win. (By the way, capitalizing every word is poor grammar.)

Really?? Is your statement supposed to be insulting?

Instead of attempting to alienate yourself from posters, why not actually contribute a valid opinion to the discussion at hand, instead of actually just attempting to insult others in an effort to appease yourself through the acceptance of others. The Male Bravado thing is not working for ya.

Back on topic - you question why the reporters have not filed a defamation suit? Reporters realize a large part of their job is to take criticism. Their reports are what is being criticized, not the reporter themselves. And as regards Mayo and Bush - No one is defaming them. The allegations are towards the coach and those involved with recruiting them. So the question still arises: Why has neither of these athletes publicly denied these statements?

And if you want these threads to seem "smarter than they really are" then try posting on the topic instead of attacking any with a different opinion of you.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Why haven't OJ Mayo or Reggie Bush sued Lloyd Lake or Louis Johnson for defamation? For the same reason Lake or Johnson haven't sued anyone who has ripped them. Nobody can make a winnable case in this situation, regardless of who's telling the truth. I love it when wannabe lawyers start babbling. Here's some advice from a real life lawyer: If you can't spell "perjury," you shouldn't be talking about the possibility of someone being charged with it.
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If I was worth like 20 mil and a broke guy was saying crap like this about me, i wouldn't have a problem in the slightest spending the 30K it requires to file a defamation lawsuit. I might not want to spend the money to take it to trial, but i sure would scare hte crap out of the guy.

and I think floyd could prove pretty easily that he didn't withdraw over $1K on said day. I'd provide my bank statements to the press in under 10 minutes. why hasn't floyd done this? As you know I agree the story smells, but i'm beginning to wonder if floyd doesn't suffer from the "i'm so important I can get away with anything" disease that many a player/coach develop over years of people kissing their arse.
 
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another thing. this guy says floyd and him had multiple cell phone calls to set up the meeting. why not release your cell records and show that didn't happen?

it seems to me that floyd is clearly covering his arse about something.
 
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droski said:
another thing. this guy says floyd and him had multiple cell phone calls to set up the meeting. why not release your cell records and show that didn't happen?

it seems to me that floyd is clearly covering his arse about something.
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I agree that Floyd is covering his arse, but I don't think releasing his cell phone records would prove anything. This isn't about the calls or a meeting per se. Floyd doesn't have to deny those happened. This is about the money.
 
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notverycrucial said:
I agree that Floyd is covering his arse, but I don't think releasing his cell phone records would prove anything. This isn't about the calls or a meeting per se. Floyd doesn't have to deny those happened. This is about the money.
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proving those didn't happen would sure go a long way to prove his innocence. if floyd was recruiting mayo on the up and up why meet with this guy in the first place? particurally after it was well known he had already paid other SC players.
 
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I concur with the above statements.
It seems as though Floyd is covering his behind.

At this point, people can criticize the reporters all they want. The onus is now on Floyd and staff to prove their innocence in the matter. Allegations have been made. If they are not covering it up, then they need to come forward with proof of some sort.

If all the allegations by the media are in fact false and the alleged "evidence" is clearly non-existent, then Floyd would have absolutely no problem proving them false.

Still waiting to see that proof though....
 
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droski said:
another thing. this guy says floyd and him had multiple cell phone calls to set up the meeting. why not release your cell records and show that didn't happen?

it seems to me that floyd is clearly covering his arse about something.
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Nobody around the USC program is denying that Guillory was around and that the coaches were in contact with him. He was and they were.
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Isn't it quite possible, and even likely, that the reason why there isn't lots of public denials and protests of innocence coming from those at USC involved in this, is because they aren't worried at all? What if they know there isn't anything to this? Why would they waste their time with allegations they know to be baseless?

I don't think one can twist their lack of intense reaction into some sort of indication of guilt, without some sort of personal bias of suspecting they were doing something before all these allegations.
 
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