Your perception of America

[NEO]

I am honestly not sure if there are any african Americans on this site as I never really ask what someone's race is.

I am starting this thread because I would like to ask some questions and get insight on how you view America.

This is not a thread meant for arguing. I am asking that if that happens Freak or a mod shut the thread down as that is not my intent.

Here are my basic questions:


Do you feel there is a ceiling for you?

What experiences have you dealt with that you believe a white person would not have? Either positive or negative.

How do you feel the country has changed for you in the past decades? Positive or negative.

What changes do you think need to happen to bring both races together?


Again, if this thread goes south just shut it down please.

Thanks!

 

[TennesseeFan07]

Propaganda.

The social media era has made as all more dumb. We need to start thinking for ourselves. Until then, we will just treat the media as gospel and continue to be divided.

 

[happy-go_vol]

The race relationship is nowhere near as bad as the media preaches. You talking about propaganda it's a complete lie.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Do you feel there is a ceiling for you?
I've been fortunate in many ways. Part of that is how I was raised and part of it is the luck of the draw. Looking at where my life is right now, I cannot honestly say that racism has held me back personally. However, you mention a ceiling, meaning a limitation of how far you can go. I guess in my mind, I think racism clearly affects how far you have to start off and how far you have to go. Meaning that being black has a floor that is lower than many other groups.


What experiences have you dealt with that you believe a white person would not have? Either positive or negative.
With me, it is walking the tightrope in life of trying to overcome the usual stereotypes when out and about on one hand, but also trying to remain "black" when around my own people... meaning being criticized for acting white or not being black enough in terms of how I think.

I think white people can just be themselves a lot easier.


How do you feel the country has changed for you in the past decades? Positive or negative.
The country has changed for the worst for everyone. The family has deteriorated, morals are gone, we've become more concerned with narcissism and consumerism, we are a violent and warhawkish country, and thanks to COVID and now these riots, I now see that there are far too many people that are willing to sacrifice freedoms for safety and security.


What changes do you think need to happen to bring both races together?
The only thing that could do it, which I think at this point is unrealistic, is if blacks and whites were able to come together and see that there are powerful entities that desire to have us at each others throats. These people need a race war, and an economic war, and maybe even a hot war. I've said it before that the black community was the lab rat. They perfected their craft and science on how to destroy us in the 1960's and they now are using that science to destroy the rest of America. Keep in mind that no one really cared about the war on drugs destroying the black community in the 80s and 90s. Now there is an opioid pandemic in white America today. No one cared in the 1960s when Daniel Patrick Moynihan was warning us at the time of the dangers of the black community having an out of wedlock birth rate of 25% at the time. Now that rate is at over 70% today in the black community. Today, the white community is standing at 25% out of wedlock birth rate. In 2 more decades, the white community will be in the same level of deterioration as the black community was in the 80s and the 90s... or worse. That clock could speed up, however based on what I've seen over the last week or so at these riots. 5-10 years ago, you wouldn't have seen as many white kids in these types of riots. What has happened? Either the white kids feel they have no voice or they feel that they have nothing to lose.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Damn Ras.

The last answer has so many different things that I agree with that i cannot address them all. I appreciate your perspective, but you know this.

Extremely wise insights about the NEED of some (the elitist, globalist, socialists, those wanting to destroy the US and Capitalism) to foment division between races is always overlooked...because the MSM is complicit. Blacks, whites, latinos, even asians...they want to divide and conquer. Distract while embezzling our resources and eroding our Constitutional freedoms.

Huge point about how many white kids are rioting and looting too...their parents should be about my age (43) where the Hell are the parents? Why are suburban white kids out here throwing bricks at cops? 99% chance they have never had an arrest etc before?? What has made them feel so desperate? The 24 news cycle fear mongering, social media filling their heads with nonsense, why else though? Again, where the Hell are their parents? My son is 18....guess where he has been every single night since this started?? At home. With me ..where he should be....is my generation so stupid that they LET their kids go out and destroy everything?

The points you made about unwed births and the white % quickly approaching the black % (latinos too) is huge. I would have never on my own seen the link to 80s 90s black problems and todays white problems if you had not posted that. Will have to think about that a bit.... the breakdown of the family unit is what leads us down the path to destruction as a society.

For the 1st time ever...I am really, really worried about the country and world my kids will have to live in. I will not always be here to protect them. How bad can things get on the next 50 to 60 years??? I am scared for them. It burdens my soul.

It is not a coincidence either that the rapid downhill destruction of this country began as this country began to turn their back on God Almighty. Pushing Him out of schools, public spaces, and pretty much everywhere else. Church attendance and membership continues to decline....sin, filth, and deviant behavior are on the rise. All the more as the liberals and their propaganda arm the MSM try to normalize these deviant behaviors under the guise of "inclusion".... they try to force Americans to believe that it is "normal" to be LBGTQ867-5309 etc... that ever expanding acronym to include "whatever our lust is for at this time". We are so screwed.

Thanks for the enlightening post bro.

 

[DynaLo]

Thank you Ras.
It’s encouraging to this old lady to encounter folks of any race or ethnic background that have their eyes open and are seeing the forest along with the trees and not just merely looking at one or the other. I don’t find that happening much anymore.

As to the white kids. In my observations, it’s multi layered and encompasses two groups. Some just want to belong to a group/movement and get that embracing feedback as it may be lacking at home. Some just want to be considered socially woke. Some are there strictly for photo ops and e-cred opportunities. Some are there because they have a strong empathy and large hearts. Some are all of or several parts of all those things. These would all be some of the ones involved in the actual honest protest marches.

The other group has a few cross overs with being embraced by like minds or considered socially woke, but most of the kids in this group were likely recruited or targeted for inclusion. They’re probably easily manipulated by various means and the likelihood that payment is or was involved is high. Whatever initially brought them in, they are now soldiers to the cause. The cause and it’s goals come first. They have no regard for anything else, be it life or property of another person. They’ve bought in to and firmly believe the rhetoric and have no clue they are just pawns in it all. Unfortunately, it seems these kids are considered cannon fodder and expendable.

As to what you think is unrealistic, you might be surprised to learn it’s already out there and already happening in various places around the internet. It’s just not high profile or in “expected” places.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

2 things.

I don't think that racism is necessarily more prevalent today than say the 1950s and 1960s there are a lot more people though. What is new is that more incidents are being captured on video. The jogger killed in Georgia was a nothing burger UNTIL the video emerged. Floyd would have never been such a big deal without the video. Same deal with the guy getting choked out for selling loose cigarettes. The lady with her dog off the leash in Central Park as well. The expectation of being caught on video when behavior is disgusting will cut down on that behavior. But there are 325,000,000 plus Americans. There will always be idiots. But they won't be able to get away with the same behavior without the push back. Bad cops also need to not get away with murder.

The other thing. The cycle of single mothers that continue to have more children than they are able to support without the government handouts needs to be dealt with. More abortions isn't an ethical solution. Creating more voters dependant on government assistance is a Ponzi scheme. Forced sterilization is frightening. Perhaps removing children from mothers that keep squeezing them out should be on the table. There would be clear child abuse or neglect if the welfare mothers were cut off from their government checks every month. But then what happens? Goverent operated orphanage kid warehouses? Or should massive prisons be constructed to put away fathers that abandon their children and baby mamas? It's effed up.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Propaganda.

The social media era has made as all more dumb. We need to start thinking for ourselves. Until then, we will just treat the media as gospel and continue to be divided.

The media is the enemy of all sides. Half truths,omissions, and out right lies.

People should wake up to the fact the media doesn't care about anything but revenue. Clicks to sell to companies that want to advertise.

They do this under the guise that they care and they are important . True journalism is dead. They are all trying to be celebrities and heroes.

 

[Purple Tiger]

Extremely wise insights about the NEED of some (the elitist, globalist, socialists, those wanting to destroy the US and Capitalism) to foment division between races is always overlooked...because the MSM is complicit. Blacks, whites, latinos, even asians...they want to divide and conquer. Distract while embezzling our resources and eroding our Constitutional freedoms.

Where did you see anything written in Ras' post about elitists, globalists, socialists or destroying capitalism?

 

[McDad]

Do you feel there is a ceiling for you?
I've been fortunate in many ways. Part of that is how I was raised and part of it is the luck of the draw. Looking at where my life is right now, I cannot honestly say that racism has held me back personally. However, you mention a ceiling, meaning a limitation of how far you can go. I guess in my mind, I think racism clearly affects how far you have to start off and how far you have to go. Meaning that being black has a floor that is lower than many other groups.


What experiences have you dealt with that you believe a white person would not have? Either positive or negative.
With me, it is walking the tightrope in life of trying to overcome the usual stereotypes when out and about on one hand, but also trying to remain "black" when around my own people... meaning being criticized for acting white or not being black enough in terms of how I think.

I think white people can just be themselves a lot easier.


How do you feel the country has changed for you in the past decades? Positive or negative.
The country has changed for the worst for everyone. The family has deteriorated, morals are gone, we've become more concerned with narcissism and consumerism, we are a violent and warhawkish country, and thanks to COVID and now these riots, I now see that there are far too many people that are willing to sacrifice freedoms for safety and security.


What changes do you think need to happen to bring both races together?
The only thing that could do it, which I think at this point is unrealistic, is if blacks and whites were able to come together and see that there are powerful entities that desire to have us at each others throats. These people need a race war, and an economic war, and maybe even a hot war. I've said it before that the black community was the lab rat. They perfected their craft and science on how to destroy us in the 1960's and they now are using that science to destroy the rest of America. Keep in mind that no one really cared about the war on drugs destroying the black community in the 80s and 90s. Now there is an opioid pandemic in white America today. No one cared in the 1960s when Daniel Patrick Moynihan was warning us at the time of the dangers of the black community having an out of wedlock birth rate of 25% at the time. Now that rate is at over 70% today in the black community. Today, the white community is standing at 25% out of wedlock birth rate. In 2 more decades, the white community will be in the same level of deterioration as the black community was in the 80s and the 90s... or worse. That clock could speed up, however based on what I've seen over the last week or so at these riots. 5-10 years ago, you wouldn't have seen as many white kids in these types of riots. What has happened? Either the white kids feel they have no voice or they feel that they have nothing to lose.

Excellent post.

 

[hUTch2002]

A lot of great points in this thread and so much to unpack. I’ll make 2 quick points to add to the discussion but I’ll probably circle back later as there are excellent points worthy of more discussion.
1. Racism isn’t inherent. It is taught. We all need to be very careful what we say and do around kids. I have 3 boys and they’re always watching. If I make what some may call a “harmless joke” invoking skin color then I’ve just sown a seed of racism, even if unintentional. I don’t identify my friends that happen to have darker skin than I do by their skin color as it has absolutely nothing to do with our relationship. I don’t go around saying my white friend Ricky or my friend Joe, who’s white,...so why should I say it about my friends and others who have different skin color? It doesn’t matter to me and I know it doesn’t matter to them. That’s what I hate about media today. They always use a descriptor in their headlines to help keep the wedge between members of society. We are all people. We aren’t white people, black people, brown people, or any other color. We are just people and until we start removing those descriptors it will be impossible to see each other any other way.
2. Our culture is crammed down kids’ throats more than ever and more than ever they are shaped by things outside of the home. People don’t think about what they’re doing when they give an 8-year-old or 10-year-old or any other kid a smart phone. Yes, some parents will restrict content to stop them from looking at porn (not all do unfortunately) and that’s a start but you’ve handed your kid a computer and now the outside world has access to your kid. They’re going to get messages from ads, from blogs, from posts, from stories, from tiktok, Snapchat, Facebook, Twitter, or whatever else they get on. It’s too much for their brains and I swear to you it is causing major anxiety issues, depression, and other issues in kids. Some of it may be caused by the cultural and information overload and some caused by the messages they’re receiving that tell them something is wrong with them. Even if you don’t get your kid a smart phone, a bunch of their friends will have them and it’s extremely dangerous to the upbringing of our children. Add to that the fact that a lot of parents get stuck in their own phones and tablets, or aren’t around because they have to work all the time, and others issues that I won’t get into as it’s a lot and I don’t want to dilute from the main point, and I am really worried about where things are heading for the youth of this country. Each parent obviously makes their own choices and every situation is different but I have a 13-year-old that doesn’t have a cell phone because he doesn’t need one. I know the day will come when he has one and I’m working on my messaging now to help him understand who he is as a person, develop a good sense of values, and help him understand the dangers that exist to tear him down or change him. I want him to be comfortable and confident in himself, which is hard enough for a teenager without all the crap on the internet and social media, and exert as much influence as I can before he hits 16 and is gone more than he’s here. Anyway, I’m certainly not judging anyone who gives a smart phone to a kid as most parents do and they have their reasons for doing so but I hope those parents are investing a lot of time with their kids to shape who they are rather than letting the world do it for them. Unfortunately, from what I see, parents are doing less and less of that every day and that chicken will come home to roost.

 

[hUTch2002]

Do you feel there is a ceiling for you?
I've been fortunate in many ways. Part of that is how I was raised and part of it is the luck of the draw. Looking at where my life is right now, I cannot honestly say that racism has held me back personally. However, you mention a ceiling, meaning a limitation of how far you can go. I guess in my mind, I think racism clearly affects how far you have to start off and how far you have to go. Meaning that being black has a floor that is lower than many other groups.


What experiences have you dealt with that you believe a white person would not have? Either positive or negative.
With me, it is walking the tightrope in life of trying to overcome the usual stereotypes when out and about on one hand, but also trying to remain "black" when around my own people... meaning being criticized for acting white or not being black enough in terms of how I think.

I think white people can just be themselves a lot easier.


How do you feel the country has changed for you in the past decades? Positive or negative.
The country has changed for the worst for everyone. The family has deteriorated, morals are gone, we've become more concerned with narcissism and consumerism, we are a violent and warhawkish country, and thanks to COVID and now these riots, I now see that there are far too many people that are willing to sacrifice freedoms for safety and security.


What changes do you think need to happen to bring both races together?
The only thing that could do it, which I think at this point is unrealistic, is if blacks and whites were able to come together and see that there are powerful entities that desire to have us at each others throats. These people need a race war, and an economic war, and maybe even a hot war. I've said it before that the black community was the lab rat. They perfected their craft and science on how to destroy us in the 1960's and they now are using that science to destroy the rest of America. Keep in mind that no one really cared about the war on drugs destroying the black community in the 80s and 90s. Now there is an opioid pandemic in white America today. No one cared in the 1960s when Daniel Patrick Moynihan was warning us at the time of the dangers of the black community having an out of wedlock birth rate of 25% at the time. Now that rate is at over 70% today in the black community. Today, the white community is standing at 25% out of wedlock birth rate. In 2 more decades, the white community will be in the same level of deterioration as the black community was in the 80s and the 90s... or worse. That clock could speed up, however based on what I've seen over the last week or so at these riots. 5-10 years ago, you wouldn't have seen as many white kids in these types of riots. What has happened? Either the white kids feel they have no voice or they feel that they have nothing to lose.

A lot of great stuff Ras. I did want to mention one thing and might circle back to others when I have more time. You shouldn’t have to change who you are based on the color of skin of those you’re around. I hate that you feel pressured that way and that’s a reality for most and, to me, that goes right to the core of the problem. That thinking is very deeply ingrained in this country though and I’ve had to fight it myself as I’ve often spent time with large groups of people where I was the minority or even the only person with light skin. We should be able to just be ourselves and those around us either accept us or they don’t but I know it isn’t that simple due to the deep seeds in society. I don’t know of a sweeping answer that will help. I think the best thing is for me to be aware of my behavior and make sure I’m doing the right thing and then pass that on to my kids. That’s 3 men that will grow up not judging someone or identifying someone based on skin color. Hopefully they’ll pass that on to their kids and, in time, the issue gets smaller and smaller. That has already happened a lot in society, Obama even alluded to it in his speech last night, but then we have those institutions that fight against that improvement as they want us divided for their selfish purposes. That’s where I don’t know what to do. Anyway, great stuff!

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The other thing. The cycle of single mothers that continue to have more children than they are able to support without the government handouts needs to be dealt with. More abortions isn't an ethical solution. Creating more voters dependant on government assistance is a Ponzi scheme. Forced sterilization is frightening. Perhaps removing children from mothers that keep squeezing them out should be on the table. There would be clear child abuse or neglect if the welfare mothers were cut off from their government checks every month. But then what happens? Goverent operated orphanage kid warehouses? Or should massive prisons be constructed to put away fathers that abandon their children and baby mamas? It's effed up.

As long as you offer an incentive to have children without a father in place, then the out of wedlock birth rate will continue to grow. I've been saying it for years. You throw the men in jail and place the women on govt assistance. That is a recipe for disaster. And that's just from out of wedlock situations. Add in the divorces that have skyrocketed in the country and the custody that overwhelmingly goes to women, and you end up with a large number of kids being raised in single mother households... no fathers in site. Plus, you have a gender bender agenda being pushed in school where the men are being feminized and the women are being encouraged to be the breadwinners. Where will the next generation of plumbers, electricians, steelworkers and carpenters going to come from? Or for that matter, where is the next generation of mothers and homemakers going to come from?

Liberalism, the gender bender agenda, sanctioning single motherhood, demonizing fathers, and the death of religion and morals are all the things that the left has done to us.

Wasting whatever is left of our youth's blood and treasure on wars overseas that end up piling on debt, the eroding of our currency, the installation of a tyrannical police state esp. since 911 and the shipping of jobs overseas are all things that the right has given us.

Meanwhile, traditional middle class nuclear families will soon be an endangered species. For whatever reason, the people on the left and the right that control this country see some benefit in keeping us fractured, ignorant and dependent.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I can't remember where I saw it, maybe even in an earlier post. A 2-year required service to your country while learning some sort of marketable skill could get a lot of adult lives started on a good course. Exceptions for opting out should be strictly enforced. Maybe even add a year or two for knuckleheads that do stupid s***, like getting caught vandalizing property while "protesting".

 

[hog88]

I can't remember where I saw it, maybe even in an earlier post. A 2-year required service to your country while learning some sort of marketable skill could get a lot of adult lives started on a good course. Exceptions for opting out should be strictly enforced. Maybe even add a year or two for knuckleheads that do stupid s***, like getting caught vandalizing property while "protesting".

No thanks

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

No thanks

Don't worry, you're too old.

I don't know what happened to the Job Corps. Locally it was a breeding ground for Thug Life. It would need strong leadership, not bureaucrats just collecting salaries and benefits. I don't know what programs could be created so that there's a net positive to society though. It's doubtful that they'd be able to build infrastructure or be willing to wipe butts in nursing homes.

Here is the basis. It needs to be overhauled and enhanced.

Home | Job Corps

 

[rjd970]

I can't remember where I saw it, maybe even in an earlier post. A 2-year required service to your country while learning some sort of marketable skill could get a lot of adult lives started on a good course. Exceptions for opting out should be strictly enforced. Maybe even add a year or two for knuckleheads that do stupid s***, like getting caught vandalizing property while "protesting".

I’m not opposed but it would have to be revenue neutral or cuts need to be made elsewhere.

 

[zeppelin128]

Damn Ras.

The last answer has so many different things that I agree with that i cannot address them all. I appreciate your perspective, but you know this.

Extremely wise insights about the NEED of some (the elitist, globalist, socialists, those wanting to destroy the US and Capitalism) to foment division between races is always overlooked...because the MSM is complicit. Blacks, whites, latinos, even asians...they want to divide and conquer. Distract while embezzling our resources and eroding our Constitutional freedoms.

Huge point about how many white kids are rioting and looting too...their parents should be about my age (43) where the Hell are the parents? Why are suburban white kids out here throwing bricks at cops? 99% chance they have never had an arrest etc before?? What has made them feel so desperate? The 24 news cycle fear mongering, social media filling their heads with nonsense, why else though? Again, where the Hell are their parents? My son is 18....guess where he has been every single night since this started?? At home. With me ..where he should be....is my generation so stupid that they LET their kids go out and destroy everything?

The points you made about unwed births and the white % quickly approaching the black % (latinos too) is huge. I would have never on my own seen the link to 80s 90s black problems and todays white problems if you had not posted that. Will have to think about that a bit.... the breakdown of the family unit is what leads us down the path to destruction as a society.

For the 1st time ever...I am really, really worried about the country and world my kids will have to live in. I will not always be here to protect them. How bad can things get on the next 50 to 60 years??? I am scared for them. It burdens my soul.

It is not a coincidence either that the rapid downhill destruction of this country began as this country began to turn their back on God Almighty. Pushing Him out of schools, public spaces, and pretty much everywhere else. Church attendance and membership continues to decline....sin, filth, and deviant behavior are on the rise. All the more as the liberals and their propaganda arm the MSM try to normalize these deviant behaviors under the guise of "inclusion".... they try to force Americans to believe that it is "normal" to be LBGTQ867-5309 etc... that ever expanding acronym to include "whatever our lust is for at this time". We are so screwed.

Thanks for the enlightening post bro.

Are you seriously blaming the LGBTQ+ community for all of society's problems?

 

[FLVOL_79]

Are you seriously blaming the LGBTQ+ community for all of society's problems?

See it all started back in Rome when they did that nude wrastlin'..

 

[hog88]

Don't worry, you're too old.

I don't know what happened to the Job Corps. Locally it was a breeding ground for Thug Life. It would need strong leadership, not bureaucrats just collecting salaries and benefits. I don't know what programs could be created so that there's a net positive to society though. It's doubtful that they'd be able to build infrastructure or be willing to wipe butts in nursing homes.

Here is the basis. It needs to be overhauled and enhanced.

Home | Job Corps

I'm just opposed to mandatory service of any kind.

 

[happy-go_vol]

Are you seriously blaming the LGBTQ+ community for all of society's problems?

We've mocked God as a society, he's doesnt bless nations who openly rebel against God.

 

[VolStrom]

I'm just opposed to mandatory service of any kind.

I think he meant it as an option, as in go to jail for a time or serve in the military for a time. The military makes men and women, prison makes thieves and garbage.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I think he meant it as an option, as in go to jail for a time or serve in the military for a time. The military makes men and women, prison makes thieves and garbage.

Both actually. Possibly something like Israel. There should be lots of options though. Exemptions for education would be controversial. Maybe as long as trade schools are included, then not so much. Basically prove that you'll be a positive, contributing member of a healthy society or be trained to become one.

If you came of age as a male, you were required to register with the Selective Service. That wasn't established to create a mailing list of potential volunteers.

 

[hog88]

Both actually. Possibly something like Israel. There should be lots of options though. Exemptions for education would be controversial. Maybe as long as trade schools are included, then not so much. Basically prove that you'll be a positive, contributing member of a healthy society or be trained to become one.

If you came of age as a male, you were required to register with the Selective Service. That wasn't established to create a mailing list of potential volunteers.

As I've said before, I'd support the Starship Trooper model for earning citizenship. It's voluntary and no penalty for not serving but a great reward for.

 

[McDad]

What a great thread.

Kinda reminds me of some discussions had before everything was red versus blue.