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whodeycin85 said:
But you can see why your % is questioned? If 3 businesses on a block put up a BLM sign, that by definition is 3 peaceful protests, if Jesse Jackson holds a press conference and uses the term BLM that's a peaceful protest. Hell of 3 people called in sick to work on the same day and previously wore BLM gear, that's a peaceful protest.

By those standards how many KKK meetings were peaceful protests? See the problem?
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A little.
But actually what I read said that 5 separate protests in the same city just blocks apart would be counted as 1. So the opposite of your claim would be true in some cases.

There is no getting around the fact that counting protests and protestors is an inexact science at best.
But the more data you study, the more it becomes clear that the overall claim of the vast majority being peaceful is indeed true. (and few to none of those counted protests would be of groups smaller than "dozens".)
 
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luthervol said:
A little.
But actually what I read said that 5 separate protests in the same city just blocks apart would be counted as 1. So the opposite of your claim would be true in some cases.

There is no getting around the fact that counting protests and protestors is an inexact science at best.
But the more data you study, the more it becomes clear that the overall claim of the vast majority being peaceful is indeed true. (and few to none of those counted protests would be of groups smaller than "dozens".)
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So if 1 of those protest was violent, you 100% believe those counting would label that as 1 violent protest or more likely say well 80% of the protests were peaceful..that's the issue

Maybe a better statement is the most publicly noteable BLM protests were violent
 
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whodeycin85 said:
So if 1 of those protest was violent, you 100% believe those counting would label that as 1 violent protest or more likely say well 80% of the protests were peaceful..that's the issue
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Typical leftist messaging. Since there was only 1 Jan 6 "riot" it can be condemned as 100% 'violent'. But since there were numerous summer of love riots, they can say the vast percentage were peaceful. What a ****ing joke they are.

Luther is king of the clowns.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Typical leftist messaging. Since there was only 1 Jan 6 "riot" it can be condemned as 100% 'violent'. But since there were numerous summer of love riots, they can say the vast percentage were peaceful. What a ****ing joke they are.

Luther is king of the clowns.
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J6 doesn't meet the numbers to be considered a riot...if there were 10k people a minimum of 3300 needed to be violent...it was in the 100s i believe
 
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whodeycin85 said:
So if 1 of those protest was violent, you 100% believe those counting would label that as 1 violent protest or more likely say well 80% of the protests were peaceful..that's the issue

Maybe a better statement is the most publicly noteable BLM protests were violent
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No. I'm saying that their method of collecting data and counting protests counted fewer than otherwise would have been possible had they made the decision to count those 5 as 5 instead of 1.

And lol...at publicly noteable BLM protests........
Hell, the only time fox and right wing media covered the protests was when they turned violent.
That was their whole narrative,
Their whole propaganda slant was to portray the movement as violent.....it worked like a charm....because so many people are simply dumb.

How many posters in the PF think that the BLM protest movement was rooted in violence????? (or largely violent)
I guarantee most of the nuts on here think it was.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
So if 1 of those protest was violent, you 100% believe those counting would label that as 1 violent protest or more likely say well 80% of the protests were peaceful..that's the issue

Maybe a better statement is the most publicly noteable BLM protests were violent
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That's a hard standard to set, though. Violent riots are going to get far more media attention than long, boring protests even if the protesters outnumber the rioters 100 to 1.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
J6 doesn't meet the numbers to be considered a riot...if there were 10k people a minimum of 3300 needed to be violent...it was in the 100s i believe
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lol You know that's not the definition you provided.

But using that definition, there were also 0 BLM riots.
 
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luthervol said:
lol You know that's not the definition you provided.

But using that definition, there were also 0 BLM riots.
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Yes it is 1 in three acting violently...if there is 10 and 1 guy is violent not a riot...3 outta 10 per the anti riot act is posted is a riot.. the is a defined threshold for a riot.
Technically you could claim that, as long as you can define how many were at certain protests and not try to use the entire country as the base number. J6 was isolated , BLM was not..big difference
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Yes it is 1 in three acting violently...if there is 10 and 1 guy is violent not a riot...3 outta 10 per the anti riot act is posted is a riot.. the is a defined threshold for a riot
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“Riot” means a public disturbance involving an assemblage of five (5) or more persons which by tumultuous and violent conduct creates grave danger of damage or injury to property or persons or substantially obstructs law enforcement or other government function.

www.britannica.com

Riot | Civil Unrest, Protest & Disorder

Riot, in criminal law, a violent offense against public order involving three or more people. Like an unlawful assembly, a riot involves a gathering of persons for an illegal purpose. In contrast to an unlawful assembly, however, a riot involves violence. The concept is obviously broad and embraces
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Riot, in criminal law, a violent offense against public order involving three or more people.
 
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luthervol said:
Nope.

Here's the assignment for you guys.
Google "total number of BLM protests" , "what constitutes a protest", "what % of BLM protests were peaceful".
"what % of BLM protestors remained peaceful"

And then feel free to come up with a couple of others of your choosing.

Report back............

I've had this debate several times in the past. No desire to rehash....the numbers are easily available for anyone who actually wants a true and complete picture. (Which eliminates most in the PF.)
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The oft cited 95% measure includes ~10,600 total “protests” over a 3 month period.

So pushing 550+ or so that descended into riotous violence. A little over 6 per day lol.

In Portland alone they had 100 straight days of violence.

Mostly peaceful though 🤷‍♀️
 
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luthervol said:
“Riot” means a public disturbance involving an assemblage of five (5) or more persons which by tumultuous and violent conduct creates grave danger of damage or injury to property or persons or substantially obstructs law enforcement or other government function.

www.britannica.com

Riot | Civil Unrest, Protest & Disorder

Riot, in criminal law, a violent offense against public order involving three or more people. Like an unlawful assembly, a riot involves a gathering of persons for an illegal purpose. In contrast to an unlawful assembly, however, a riot involves violence. The concept is obviously broad and embraces
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Riot, in criminal law, a violent offense against public order involving three or more people.
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From your link
Riot, in criminal law, a violent offense against public order involving three or more people.

Where is the 5 number coming from... And that's in order to charge someone criminally. A different standard then a defined by the anti riot act
 
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85SugarVol said:
The oft cited 95% measure includes ~10,600 total “protests” over a 3 month period.

So pushing 550+ or so that descended into riotous violence. A little over 6 per day lol.

In Portland alone they had 100 straight days of violence.

Mostly peaceful though 🤷‍♀️
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Was chaz or Chop 1 protest? Was it peaceful or violent or did that depend on time of day? There's is too much wiggle room to define a protest..
 
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85SugarVol said:
The oft cited 95% measure includes ~10,600 total “protests” over a 3 month period.

So pushing 550+ or so that descended into riotous violence. A little over 6 per day lol.

In Portland alone they had 100 straight days of violence.

Mostly peaceful though 🤷‍♀️
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Were the Jan 6th protestors mostly peaceful?
 
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whodeycin85 said:
From your link
Riot, in criminal law, a violent offense against public order involving three or more people.

Where is the 5 number coming from... And that's in order to charge someone criminally. A different standard then a defined by the anti riot act
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Anti-Riot Laws in the United States

This database catalogs federal and state anti-rioting and incitement to riot laws in the United States. While these laws vary widely, many are drafted too […]
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Seemed to be the most common state number.
 
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luthervol said:
www.icnl.org

Anti-Riot Laws in the United States

This database catalogs federal and state anti-rioting and incitement to riot laws in the United States. While these laws vary widely, many are drafted too […]
www.icnl.org www.icnl.org

Seemed to be the most common state number.
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There is a difference between criminal definition and regular definition...higher standard for a criminal conviction.

Btw according to your link in GA, the threshold is 2...
 
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