2024 Transfer Portal Thread

[Volprofch05]

Well, to be fair, there isn’t really anything else to talk about. We have one target remaining and that likely will be silent on info for a few more weeks. This thread is on its death bed. Portal season is almost over.

On its death bed? There’s all sorts of exciting updates continually appearing, such as this one

 

[GrayWaterCanine]

Loved DK but the sports can survive some of the CREAM skipping college ball to avoid the disparity of distribution we are seeing. DK would NOT have been a direct from HS guy, Nico would if that is his preferred option. Two healthy paths better than one convoluted one with WINK WINK NIL values and unlimited portal activity.

NCAA should define a RATIONAL NIL cap limit on each team, one that at least all D1 can be in play, forcing a distribution exactly like scholly limits do, but TRUE pay for play values move on to pro leagues. NFL or UFL one could drive the new train for FB, BB and Baseball already exist.

We don’t need pro worthy folks playing school.pick a path.

That is brilliant, except for the Supreme Court ruling that expressly forbids that course of action.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

That is brilliant, except for the Supreme Court ruling that expressly forbids that course of action.

The Supreme Court ruled you could not limit a player’s earnings, not a school’s cap. You could let a school to take one player unlimited earnings to consume the entire cap. Pay him a billion. You just get 1, and other schools get leftovers.

If a kid is really worth 50k NIL, if Bama fills up Starkville is just down the road. Same name, same image and same likeness. Some REASONABLE cap can be calculated. Get your deal and find a home that will make you a counter and accept your cap hit. NIL is all free money from collectives now to the schools. Bet MTSU will take a few that UT can’t or won’t accept. LOTS AND LOTS of cap space out there. 85 scholarships and $XXX cap dollars for each school. Hell to pay if a collective backs out based on school. Offer wisely.

 

[Delmar]

You’re right. Who wants to watch players like Dalton Knecht play when there are local kids who’d happily suit up and represent the school for free. Why use athletes at all, or even humans. Imagine the loyalty we could get out of some poorly fed donkeys. I think there may even be a Disney movie in this, but then you’d have to pay the donkey.

We had a charity donkey basketball game when I was in high school where the players all rode donkeys with rubber horseshoes. It was great fun. We weren’t as good as Dalton Knecht though.

 

[knoxvol52]

We had a charity donkey basketball game when I was in high school where the players all rode donkeys with rubber horseshoes. It was great fun. We weren’t as good as Dalton Knecht though.

Did the winning team receive the Burrochip?

 

[GoodTimeVol]

Loved DK but the sports can survive some of the CREAM skipping college ball to avoid the disparity of distribution we are seeing. DK would NOT have been a direct from HS guy, Nico would if that is his preferred option. Two healthy paths better than one convoluted one with WINK WINK NIL values and unlimited portal activity.

NCAA should define a RATIONAL NIL cap limit on each team, one that at least all D1 can be in play, forcing a distribution exactly like scholly limits do, but TRUE pay for play values move on to pro leagues. NFL or UFL one could drive the new train for FB, BB and Baseball already exist.

We don’t need pro worthy folks playing school.pick a path.

“Rational cap limit” lol yes lets allow boosters to corrupt recruiting again by doing under the table payments to secure commits in recruiting like the old way …Jesus these takes are borderline “acoustic”

 

[Kas232323]

The Supreme Court ruled you could not limit a player’s earnings, not a school’s cap. You could let a school to take one player unlimited earnings to consume the entire cap. Pay him a billion. You just get 1, and other schools get leftovers.

If a kid is really worth 50k NIL, if Bama fills up Starkville is just down the road. Same name, same image and same likeness. Some REASONABLE cap can be calculated. Get your deal and find a home that will make you a counter and accept your cap hit. NIL is all free money from collectives now to the schools. Bet MTSU will take a few that UT can’t or won’t accept. LOTS AND LOTS of cap space out there. 85 scholarships and $XXX cap dollars for each school. Hell to pay if a collective backs out based on school. Offer wisely.

Surely you know this would never hold up in court as it still restricts an individual’s right to make money.

 

[Delmar]

The Supreme Court ruled you could not limit a player’s earnings, not a school’s cap. You could let a school to take one player unlimited earnings to consume the entire cap. Pay him a billion. You just get 1, and other schools get leftovers.

If a kid is really worth 50k NIL, if Bama fills up Starkville is just down the road. Same name, same image and same likeness. Some REASONABLE cap can be calculated. Get your deal and find a home that will make you a counter and accept your cap hit. NIL is all free money from collectives now to the schools. Bet MTSU will take a few that UT can’t or won’t accept. LOTS AND LOTS of cap space out there. 85 scholarships and $XXX cap dollars for each school. Hell to pay if a collective backs out based on school. Offer wisely.

How can you cap NIL if the NIL money is not coming through the school? Caps could only be implemented if the athletes become employees of the university and get paid through the university. And that’s probably where this is headed for the 60 to 70 team super division when it gets formed. The question will be if the rest of the schools can afford athletic programs or if they become glorified intramural programs.

 

[kckempf]

How can you cap NIL if the NIL money is not coming through the school? Caps could only be implemented if the athletes become employees of the university and get paid through the university. And that’s probably where this is headed for the 60 to 70 team super division when it gets formed. The question will be if the rest of the schools can afford athletic programs or if they become glorified intramural programs.

Even then they can’t have a salary cap without the players’ consent, so they would need the players organized into a union to do collective bargaining. Otherwise limiting their salaries would be collusion.

 

[Delmar]

Even then they can’t have a salary cap without the players’ consent, so they would need the players organized into a union to do collective bargaining. Otherwise limiting their salaries would be collusion.

Yep. And that’s more than likely where this thing is headed. Just like any pro sports league. I don’t particularly like it but it is what it is.

 

[Kas232323]

Even then they can’t have a salary cap without the players’ consent, so they would need the players organized into a union to do collective bargaining. Otherwise limiting their salaries would be collusion.

And there is still no way to limit how much a company is willing to pay players to represent them. No way to cap their earnings.

 

[joevols89]

Even when this gets shifted to the schools, there will still be NIL or we will go back to under the table deals on top of pay from the school imo. You’ll never see programs not trying to get a leg up in recruiting when it comes to compensation.

 

[Delmar]

And there is still no way to limit how much a company is willing to pay players to represent them. No way to cap their earnings.

Not exactly. Pro leagues have salary caps and teams get hit with a luxury tax if they exceed it. Some teams don’t care and they pay it. Small market teams struggle with it. As far as NIL goes, that is independent and cannot be restricted.

 

[Kas232323]

Not exactly. Pro leagues have salary caps and teams get hit with a luxury tax if they exceed it. Some teams don’t care and they pay it. Small market teams struggle with it. As far as NIL goes, that is independent and cannot be restricted.

That is what I was referring to re: NIL. We’re saying the same thing.

 

[Col_Cathcart]

On its death bed? There’s all sorts of exciting updates continually appearing, such as this one

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

And there is still no way to limit how much a company is willing to pay players to represent them. No way to cap their earnings.

Like I said up above, you don’t cap any players earning potential, their earnings will be traceable, and the NCAA requires them to report their contracts/earnings on a waiver form and NCAA keeps the books on each team. The player will be able to get all the money he can, and just has to find a team with cap space. Schools get EXEMPTION if they only have 1 NIL PLAYER, his earnings can exceed the cap. So any player can find a place, just not place of choice. Just like when teams hit 85 counters.

Only sticky issue is if the deal has deferred earnings . Have to count against last team he was on roster for that year. Smart guys can get it done.

 

[Kas232323]

Like I said up above, you don’t cap any players earning potential, their earnings will be traceable, and the NCAA requires them to report their contracts/earnings on a waiver form and NCAA keeps the books on each team. The player will be able to get all the money he can, and just has to find a team with cap space. Schools get EXEMPTION if they only have 1 NIL PLAYER, his earnings can exceed the cap. So any player can find a place, just not place of choice. Just like when teams hit 85 counters.

Only sticky issue is if the deal has deferred earnings . Have to count against last team he was on roster for that year. Smart guys can get it done.

I understand the point you are trying to make. It is completely unrealistic and would not survive legal challenges. That would be the same as the nba instituting a ‘total earnings salary cap’ on players. Can’t happen.

 

[spyfish007]

Can't cap the NIL. I think everyone agrees to that. The cap for a school is an interesting idea. I think with a modification it works. You go straight to payments from the school. (Non amateur) What I believe would happen is the money would naturally flow through it because the schools get more direct control without the games behind the scenes. This drains the money flowing through NIL to its natural level, think pro endorsements. The thing is the school cap has to be high enough to drain the hidden money, else this doesn't work either.

 

[VolArmy74]

You cannot cap NIL. Nor can you make rules that cap it. NIL isn't money coming from the schools. Imagine the NBA telling Michael Jordan he couldn't make Nike money or the PGA telling Tiger Woods that. This is no different.

I'm always stunned at how socialist people become once college sports get involved in the conversation.

P.S it further baffles me that people let it affect their enjoyment of the sport. I love Tennessee sports. It doesn't matter to me if or how much anyone gets paid to play here. While they are in uniform and on the field or court, I enjoy it.

 

[zaqhhh]

You cannot cap NIL. Nor can you make rules that cap it. NIL isn't money coming from the schools. Imagine the NBA telling Michael Jordan he couldn't make Nike money or the PGA telling Tiger Woods that. This is no different.

I'm always stunned at how socialist people become once college sports get involved in the conversation.

P.S it further baffles me that people let it affect their enjoyment of the sport. I love Tennessee sports. It doesn't matter to me if or how much anyone gets paid to play here. While they are in uniform and on the field or court, I enjoy it.

Don’t think it has anything to do with socialism lol very boomer response

Think it has to do with not wanting this to become a totally Wild West environment.

Reasonably I agree there can’t be a cap on a players earnings but I do think a school cap is absolutely enforceable and probably necessary moreover

 

[VolArmy74]

Don’t think it has anything to do with socialism lol very boomer response

Think it has to do with not wanting this to become a totally Wild West environment.

Reasonably I agree there can’t be a cap on a players earnings but I do think a school cap is absolutely enforceable and probably necessary moreover

Wanting the government (congress/schools) to regulate something that has zero to do with them (a private citizen's money making via their own likeness) is the literal text book definition of socialism and should never be attempted in a free market economy. What if you wrote a best selling novel, were approached by movie studios with staggering offers, and the government passed a law that said you weren't allowed to earn more than a certain amount, even though the studios wanted to pay you more?

The school cap is trying to do the same thing as placing a salary cap on NIL earnings would be doing. The reality is, what someone is willing to pay a player for an autograph, a commercial, an appearance, is no business of any school/government outside of the taxes paid on the agreement. What, pray tell, would be the player's motivation for even agreeing to such a ridiculous and very likely illegal restriction? Schools, if they decided to actually start paying a wage, would be able to try and negotiate a salary cap for what they paid the players. However, NIL would fall outside that, exactly the same way it does in every professional sports league across the entire planet.

Whining about life being unfair and some people having advantages is just that, whining. There will always be winners and losers, begging for the government to step in and fix things is not a solution. It's just a penalty for those who excel and are in demand.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

I understand the point you are trying to make. It is completely unrealistic and would not survive legal challenges. That would be the same as the nba instituting a ‘total earnings salary cap’ on players. Can’t happen.

What major pro sport does not have salary caps on teams today? They sure do talk about them a lot..

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

And there is still no way to limit how much a company is willing to pay players to represent them. No way to cap their earnings.

Collectives get to pay for their NIL value at a school that still has cap space. Won’t be a problem finding a school with space after the contracts are signed. NO LIMIT on NIL deals between collectives and players. They only have to divulge the truth to NCAA on the NLI or similar doc who keeps score of $ for each school just like counters for each school. Just like pros, no attempt to regulate player money, just team money for the obviously legal competitive balance reasons.

They are making it easier by pushing transfer anytime rules. You want more money that won’t fit cap or school won’t accept. Transfer. No prob. Meets court mandate. Kid gets his money and has opportunity to play. An unhealthy trade off but one that is better than alternatives.

 

[SGidds]

Wanting the government (congress/schools) to regulate something that has zero to do with them (a private citizen's money making via their own likeness) is the literal text book definition of socialism and should never be attempted in a free market economy. What if you wrote a best selling novel, were approached by movie studios with staggering offers, and the government passed a law that said you weren't allowed to earn more than a certain amount, even though the studios wanted to pay you more?

The school cap is trying to do the same thing as placing a salary cap on NIL earnings would be doing. The reality is, what someone is willing to pay a player for an autograph, a commercial, an appearance, is no business of any school/government outside of the taxes paid on the agreement. What, pray tell, would be the player's motivation for even agreeing to such a ridiculous and very likely illegal restriction? Schools, if they decided to actually start paying a wage, would be able to try and negotiate a salary cap for what they paid the players. However, NIL would fall outside that, exactly the same way it does in every professional sports league across the entire planet.

Whining about life being unfair and some people having advantages is just that, whining. There will always be winners and losers, begging for the government to step in and fix things is not a solution. It's just a penalty for those who excel and are in demand.

Unless I am missing something, most people are not arguing for limiting the earning potential of the athletes (except for the person who thinks scholarships are enough for the athletes). The argument is that this is worse than free agency in pro sports because at least NBA players will sign contracts that bind them to a team for a specified amount of time. Those contracts help both the players and the team. The players are generally guaranteed money even if they don’t perform to expectations or are injured. The team can have some stabilty when planning to field a competitive team, knowing how long they will have the player on their roster.

In the college game, now that athletes can transfer as many times as they want to without penalty, the transfer portal window and school enrollment deadlines are the only things keeping players from leaving at any point in the school year and going somewhere else. It creates roster chaos. What I think most fans and coaches are looking for is to have the players commit to stay at the school for a specified length of time in exchange for the financial commitment that they are receiving from NIL. That would make it like pro sports, but that’s really what it is anyway. It’s just that the “owners“ in this case are the schools and the NIL agencies working on their behalf.

 

[Volprofch05]

What major pro sport does not have salary caps on teams today? They sure do talk about them a lot..

Those caps are collectively bargained (agreed upon by both the player’s union and the owners). Can’t really cap compensation without such an agreement.