2024 Transfer Portal Thread

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turbovol said:
What "illegal labor practices" are you referring to? I'm keen to know.

As for "corrupt institutions enriching themselves," most of the money goes to enhancing the athletic product by modernizing stadiums--a continuous process at majors--and building/modernizing facilities for all the other sports. And the money goes to subsidizing 15 or so non-revenue sports. There seems to be this notion that large numbers of university officials are driving around in fancy cars and smoking cars while the athletes suffer. That's total nonsense. The only individuals who have got wealthy of football and basketball are the head coaches. Who else?

Hyper-competitiveness and ridiculously crazy fans have driven the growth of programs--which are always trying to either keep up with or surpass their competitors with better facilities, larger staffs, a bigger recruiting budgets, etc. It's all an insanely weird part of American culture. No other university systems in the world elevate sports to anything even remotely close to this kind of madness for COLLEGE sports. It's also a part of American culture then when something is successful, nobody ever wants to say stop, enough. It's all spun wildly out of control.
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It's very rare to get a 9-0 decision from the SCOTUS on any topic but the NCAA managed to do just that...lol.

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turbovol said:
That's you're way of saying you can't explain it. The one SCOTUS decision wasn't even related to athletics. The legal decisions are interesting given that these sports have been around for decades--on radio and television for 60 years--and there was hardly a peep about anti-trust violations or poor players being exploited. Anybody who thinks what we have now makes sense is insane.

I do eagerly hope that we see unionized student-athletes soon, as they'll then have the right to file all sorts of claims, charges and demands to labor agencies that will increase the madness exponentially. I'm also eager for some ambitious high-school players file lawsuits against their schools or athletic districts. Many high-school football and basketball games are televised, streamed, on the radio--someobdy is making a bit of money off the games, and those terribly treated, horribly exploited high-schoolers are going to want to get paid, too! And let's not forget, back at the college level, the cheerleaders and the band---all part of the show! Fun times.
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LMAO

While ignorance is bliss as the saying goes, it isn't a valid argument on a message board let alone the SCOTUS.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Loved DK but the sports can survive some of the CREAM skipping college ball to avoid the disparity of distribution we are seeing. DK would NOT have been a direct from HS guy, Nico would if that is his preferred option. Two healthy paths better than one convoluted one with WINK WINK NIL values and unlimited portal activity.

NCAA should define a RATIONAL NIL cap limit on each team, one that at least all D1 can be in play, forcing a distribution exactly like scholly limits do, but TRUE pay for play values move on to pro leagues. NFL or UFL one could drive the new train for FB, BB and Baseball already exist.

We don’t need pro worthy folks playing school.pick a path.
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This is constitutionally impossible...NIL is governed by state laws not by the NCAA.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
What major pro sport does not have salary caps on teams today? They sure do talk about them a lot..
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You keep missing the point. Salary cap - yes. But that does not limit what pro players earn via NIL. Non pro sports cap that obviously. And colleges can not do it either. How is this so difficult?
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Wanting the government (congress/schools) to regulate something that has zero to do with them (a private citizen's money making via their own likeness) is the literal text book definition of socialism and should never be attempted in a free market economy. What if you wrote a best selling novel, were approached by movie studios with staggering offers, and the government passed a law that said you weren't allowed to earn more than a certain amount, even though the studios wanted to pay you more?

The school cap is trying to do the same thing as placing a salary cap on NIL earnings would be doing. The reality is, what someone is willing to pay a player for an autograph, a commercial, an appearance, is no business of any school/government outside of the taxes paid on the agreement. What, pray tell, would be the player's motivation for even agreeing to such a ridiculous and very likely illegal restriction? Schools, if they decided to actually start paying a wage, would be able to try and negotiate a salary cap for what they paid the players. However, NIL would fall outside that, exactly the same way it does in every professional sports league across the entire planet.

Whining about life being unfair and some people having advantages is just that, whining. There will always be winners and losers, begging for the government to step in and fix things is not a solution. It's just a penalty for those who excel and are in demand.
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Again Boomer response. First off, government regulation does not equal socialism. We have many government regulations as does any other capitalist nation.

2nd every sports dealing that involves money has some sort of guardrails to them whether they come from the sporting organization or some higher body.

3rd, this is again a dumb comparison. Nobody is advocating ending winners and losers. Look up the difference between equity and equality and then try to have this convo.

I am all for players making money, they deserve it. But we can do so without destroying the core of collegiate athletics
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
What major pro sport does not have salary caps on teams today? They sure do talk about them a lot..
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NBA, NHL, NFL all use Congressional exemptions to keep them from being classified as cartels, but the players also belong to a union that does collective bargaining, otherwise that wouldn't be enough. They also have agreements to split sport-related revenue (media contracts, ticket sales, etc) between ownership and players, which necessitates transparent accounting by all of the teams (in spite of every team having a clique of the owner's failsons on the payroll earning $1 million/year for doing nothing). There are so many steps in that process that the NCAA and the schools have no interest in touching.
 
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So, here are some interesting SGs still available in the portal if Chaz Lanier doesn't make the right choice and come to UT: Cameron Christie, Jaden Schutt, Sincere Parker, Davion Bailey, Wooga Poplar and Jan Vide. Or do we just go with the guys currently on the roster? We do have some interesting guys at the 2 and 3 positions already: Carr, Gainey, Maishack, and Dubar.
 
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oldaaucoach said:
So, here are some interesting SGs still available in the portal if Chaz Lanier doesn't make the right choice and come to UT: Cameron Christie, Jaden Schutt, Sincere Parker, Davion Bailey, Wooga Poplar and Jan Vide. Or do we just go with the guys currently on the roster? We do have some interesting guys at the 2 and 3 positions already: Carr, Gainey, Maishack, and Dubar.
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I’d rather just pass on all those guys.

I’d be too salty

Wooga is okay…I guess?
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Wanting the government (congress/schools) to regulate something that has zero to do with them (a private citizen's money making via their own likeness) is the literal text book definition of socialism and should never be attempted in a free market economy. What if you wrote a best selling novel, were approached by movie studios with staggering offers, and the government passed a law that said you weren't allowed to earn more than a certain amount, even though the studios wanted to pay you more?

The school cap is trying to do the same thing as placing a salary cap on NIL earnings would be doing. The reality is, what someone is willing to pay a player for an autograph, a commercial, an appearance, is no business of any school/government outside of the taxes paid on the agreement. What, pray tell, would be the player's motivation for even agreeing to such a ridiculous and very likely illegal restriction? Schools, if they decided to actually start paying a wage, would be able to try and negotiate a salary cap for what they paid the players. However, NIL would fall outside that, exactly the same way it does in every professional sports league across the entire planet.

Whining about life being unfair and some people having advantages is just that, whining. There will always be winners and losers, begging for the government to step in and fix things is not a solution. It's just a penalty for those who excel and are in demand.
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The actual definition of socialism is government controlling the means of production. Regulation is not socialism. At all. The word socialism is drastically overused in this country as a substitute for a real argument. It’s easier to attack a straw man label than to present a substantive argument.
 
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oldaaucoach said:
So, here are some interesting SGs still available in the portal if Chaz Lanier doesn't make the right choice and come to UT: Cameron Christie, Jaden Schutt, Sincere Parker, Davion Bailey, Wooga Poplar and Jan Vide. Or do we just go with the guys currently on the roster? We do have some interesting guys at the 2 and 3 positions already: Carr, Gainey, Maishack, and Dubar.
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Please don’t hijack this thread to talk about portal options when there’s more interesting conversations going on about NIL, illegal labor practices, and Milton Friedman’s view on free market capitalism. You’ve been warned!!
 
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Kas232323 said:
You keep missing the point. Salary cap - yes. But that does not limit what pro players earn via NIL. Non pro sports cap that obviously. And colleges can not do it either. How is this so difficult?
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It is still reportable income allowed as NIL while participating on the field with amateurs and measurable, Refardless of source and CAN in fact impact competitive balance. Cap does not limit one’s ability to earn, just forces a wider more balanced distribution of high end talent across more teams, just like counter limits.

Court also mandated it could not be tied to on field performance and includes WHICH field.

Not saying THEY WILL, but saying they could.
 
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Kas232323 said:
You keep missing the point. Salary cap - yes. But that does not limit what pro players earn via NIL. Non pro sports cap that obviously. And colleges can not do it either. How is this so difficult?
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It’s not. Some folks just don’t understand that NIL is going to be separate from what happens if and when the players become employees of the university and are earning a share of the profits or are on salary. NIL is no different than Peyton Manning advertising for Bush’s Beans or Papa John’s Pizza. He took advantage of his Name, Image and Likeness and there is no way to cap it. A cap on salary could come into place if the players become employees of the school and it’s negotiated for all schools. Same as it is for a number of pro leagues today. See the NBA for a good example.
 
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oldaaucoach said:
So, here are some interesting SGs still available in the portal if Chaz Lanier doesn't make the right choice and come to UT: Cameron Christie, Jaden Schutt, Sincere Parker, Davion Bailey, Wooga Poplar and Jan Vide. Or do we just go with the guys currently on the roster? We do have some interesting guys at the 2 and 3 positions already: Carr, Gainey, Maishack, and Dubar.
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Wooga Poplar is a take on name alone
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
No they mask it as a tax? Spend more than 250 mil and see what happens.
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True, but the teams willing to spend big don't care about that tax, which is why they perpetually spend big beyond that threshold every year. They figure revenue from merchandising, ticket sales, concessions, TV money, etc, from a winning product exceeds the value of that tax.
 
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zaqhhh said:
Again Boomer response. First off, government regulation does not equal socialism. We have many government regulations as does any other capitalist nation.

2nd every sports dealing that involves money has some sort of guardrails to them whether they come from the sporting organization or some higher body.

3rd, this is again a dumb comparison. Nobody is advocating ending winners and losers. Look up the difference between equity and equality and then try to have this convo.

I am all for players making money, they deserve it. But we can do so without destroying the core of collegiate athletics
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Your repeated use of the term "boomer" as a pejorative makes me think you live with mommy and daddy and have a safe space.

You are trying to control the means by which an individual can use their own likeness to make money. If I paint a portrait and want to charge 40 billion dollars for it, and find a buyer, that's between myself and the buyer. The government doesn't need to step in and control the art market. The market will regulate NIL. There will be winners (big schools) and losers (small schools). No school will ever be able to control how much money is made via NIL, as they are not the ones paying the NIL.
 
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