‘23 LSU transfer OT Zalance Heard (Tennessee)

[Carp]

Since ADs and collectives are supposed to operate as separate entities, it creates loopholes.

The school doesn’t contact the player. A representative of the collective (a business separate from the university) reaches out to someone close to the player (but not the player directly) like a HS coach or family member and they use that party as a proxy to gauge interest and financials.

It’s convoluted enough to skirt the rules now, but it definitely needs to be addressed because it’s a blatant loophole that’s undermining what the transfer portals actual purpose was.

Exactly. I would assume it will be addressed in the future. Maybe by capping how much school-specific NIL collectives are allowed to offer in a given year.

 

[Orange.]

Exactly. I would assume it will be addressed in the future. Maybe by capping how much school-specific NIL collectives are allowed to offer in a given year.

You are describing Saban's dream. He needs limits that can be enforced on rivals so he can return to the flagrant cheating with impunity that accounts for his success. Enforcement will be nonexistent for NCAA pets, and the emerging parity will be crushed. He hasn't won anything since his rivals were allowed to pay players too. It's killing him. You shouldn't fall for lying Saban's propaganda.

Saban tampered with Gibbs and the ND QB and no one said a word. Isn't Vitello the only one is sports who has been punished for it?

 

[Carp]

You are describing Saban's dream. He needs limits that can be enforced on rivals so he can return to the flagrant cheating with impunity that accounts for his success. Enforcement will be nonexistent for NCAA pets, and the emerging parity will be crushed. He hasn't won anything since his rivals were allowed to pay players too. It's killing him. You shouldn't fall for lying Saban's propaganda.

It's not likely to affect it that much tbh. And Saban will be gone soon anyways.

 

[jakez4ut]

Since ADs and collectives are supposed to operate as separate entities, it creates loopholes.

The school doesn’t contact the player. A representative of the collective (a business separate from the university) reaches out to someone close to the player (but not the player directly) like a HS coach or family member and they use that party as a proxy to gauge interest and financials.

It’s convoluted enough to skirt the rules now, but it definitely needs to be addressed because it’s a blatant loophole that’s undermining what the transfer portals actual purpose was.

and NIL collectives undermine what the original intent of NIL was supposed to be. People that want to pay the kid for an autograph or to do local commercial or something, then go for it. the market dictates which athletes have enough value to warrant that kind of spend.

and other entities shouldn't be able to make money off the kids name, image or likeness, the kid should get a cut....but again, market would dictate which athletes had enough value to warrant such a deal.

what we have ain't that....

the whole system has been flipped on it's ear in the last 5 years....2 signing days, junior visits in spring/summer, transfer potal, NIL.....crazy how much it's changed, so fast.

 

[jakez4ut]

Exactly. I would assume it will be addressed in the future. Maybe by capping how much school-specific NIL collectives are allowed to offer in a given year.

yep. then we can get back to the bagmen for the "overages". back to the good old days.

 

[Orange.]

We have a great collective. You idjits need to stop with the indignation and handwringing and support our collective. GBO! LFG!

Saban buying every recruiting class when everyone knew it but with no penalties was not "the good ole days."

 

[Tarkus]

An NIL collective is not the school nor do they represent the school. They do not offer scholarships or playing time at Ole Miss. All they have to do is convey that the collective is looking for clients and ask what that player might be looking for in an NIL deal. They could even exchange financials. All of this can be done without a single mention of transferring to Ole Miss because it's understood without saying anything that the NIL deal in contingent on transferring to OM.

No rules have been broken because NIL collectives are completely separate entities from the school.

On paper they don’t represent the school but in actuality they do. Both the player and the collective would have to lie if asked if there was an understanding that the player would be playing for Ole Miss.

 

[jakez4ut]

We have a great collective. You idjits need to stop with the indignation and handwringing and support our collective. GBO! LFG!

Saban buying every recruiting class when everyone knew it but with no penalties was not "the good ole days."

didnt' think i needed the blue font? oh well.

 

[Carp]

On paper they don’t represent the school but in actuality they do. Both the player and the collective would have to lie if asked if there was an understanding that the player would be playing for Ole Miss.

There is no lying involved. If they don't bring up transferring to OM or playing for OM then there is no rule broken. That's the point. All it is, is a NIL Collective talking to prospective clients, which is completely and 100% within their right to do as business.

 

[Tarkus]

There is no lying involved. If they don't bring up transferring to OM or playing for OM then there is no rule broken. That's the point. All it is, is a NIL Collective talking to prospective clients, which is completely and 100% within their right to do as business.

So you’re saying this player can sign with that collective and they will pay him and will honor their agreement even if he decides to stay at LSU since it has “nothing” to do with Ole Miss?

 

[Dadof2Vols]

So you’re saying this player can sign with that collective and they will pay him and will honor their agreement even if he decides to stay at LSU since it has “nothing” to do with Ole Miss?

NO, but they can say you have to be available for autograph signings every Sunday morning in the season at 9 am in Oxford and if you aren’t then you don’t get paid.

 

[Tarkus]

NO, but they can say you have to be available for autograph signings every Sunday morning in the season at 9 am in Oxford and if you aren’t then you don’t get paid.

But no one is supposed to infer that would mean the player would need to play for Ole Miss to accomplish that requirement. Ok, sure.

 

[Carp]

So you’re saying this player can sign with that collective and they will pay him and will honor their agreement even if he decides to stay at LSU since it has “nothing” to do with Ole Miss?

Sure he theoretically could. But they aren't going to make formal contract offer while he's at another school. That doesn't stop them from talking financials. Again, these are loopholes. There is nothing stopping a NIL, collective which is an entirely separate entity from the school, from talking to anyone. They are mostly media/marketing firms that assist athletes in finding endorsement deals. Most of them local, but occasionally national brands, like Hyatt did with Hyatt hotels.

 

[Carp]

But no one is supposed to infer that would mean the player would need to play for Ole Miss to accomplish that requirement. Ok, sure.

You can infer all you want. It's about what you can prove. And if nothing is said specifically about playing for OM, then you have nothing to stand on. It's simply a business reaching out to prospective clients.

 

[Carp]

A sample convo could be like this:

"Hey Zalance Heard, this is John Doe at the Grove Collective here in Oxford, MS. We're interested in adding you as a client to our marketing firm. Would you be interested in going over some financial figures that you could potentially earn by joining our collective?"

Nothing has been said about transferring to OM. No actual contract has been offered. All of it is completely within the rules of the NCAA.

 

[UT_Tix79]

More likely someone connecting to the collectives communicates with someone associated with him. And they come to some sort of agreement.

Most high level players transferring basically know where they are going before they leave. Everyone is tampering, if you don’t, you’ll fall behind

 

[willinhf]

Exactly. I would assume it will be addressed in the future. Maybe by capping how much school-specific NIL collectives are allowed to offer in a given year.

Capping NIL would go straight back to the Supreme Court and be overturned quite quickly as an impediment to free market.

If you want caps, would really need to establish players union, contracts with NCAA and a salary cap where the players become employees of the NCAA. Really really complicated, but I see no real way to limit or cap any NIL. Could you imaging Michael Jordan having a limit to his endorsements?

 

[butchna]

It's not likely to affect it that much tbh. And Saban will be gone soon anyways.

They been saying that for years.

 

[Carp]

Capping NIL would go straight back to the Supreme Court and be overturned quite quickly as an impediment to free market.

If you want caps, would really need to establish players union, contracts with NCAA and a salary cap where the players become employees of the NCAA. Really really complicated, but I see no real way to limit or cap any NIL. Could you imaging Michael Jordan having a limit to his endorsements?

You're not necessarily capping the players. You're capping the school specific NIL fund. Players would still have authority to make as much money as they can from other venues and NIL deals with local/national businesses.

 

[Carp]

More likely someone connecting to the collectives communicates with someone associated with him. And they come to some sort of agreement.

Most high level players transferring basically know where they are going before they leave. Everyone is tampering, if you don’t, you’ll fall behind

They certainly could have a proxy as well. My point was that it all currently falls within the NCAA rules, at least as long as it's not a coach or university employee making the offers.

It's legal tampering (as of now).

 

[GoodTimeVol]

You're not necessarily capping the players. You're capping the school specific NIL fund. Players would still have authority to make as much money as they can from other venues and NIL deals with local/national businesses.

You realize putting a cap on NIL will only influence schools like Bama or Auburn to pay under the table to get the players they want right?

 

[Jaxon_Vol2017]

It's not likely to affect it that much tbh. And Saban will be gone soon anyways.

I refuse to believe. I think he just wants to die on a football field.

 

[Carp]

You realize putting a cap on NIL will only influence schools like Bama or Auburn to pay under the table to get the players they want right?

I mean neither one is ponying up quite as much as people thought they would. We're probably spending more in NIL than they are. Ole Miss too.

 

[GoodTimeVol]

I mean neither one is ponying up quite as much as people thought they would. We're probably spending more in NIL than they are. Ole Miss too.

Yes spending money the “legal” way is what takes away the advantage those schools have/had, putting a cap into the equation leads to more illegal activity.

 

[MegaVol615]

I mean neither one is ponying up quite as much as people thought they would. We're probably spending more in NIL than they are. Ole Miss too.

Check out Auburn’s 2024 recruiting class. They’re enticing people with more than just their 6-7 record