Game Clock not operating, why does this happen?

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Watching Bama Florida. With 3:10 in the 4th, the game clock has died and is being kept on the field. OK, I'm not just griping or trolling or b*ctin. I have a very serious question. How much technology is involved between the guy that starts and stops the clock, and the display of the clock on the scoreboard. We've landed man on the moon with a computer smaller than what your watch has now. I know they have an extra pair of sticks in case the chains break, extra ref if one has a heart attack or gets injured. Why not have some redundancy in the clock area? Honestly, from an armchair fan's perspective, it seems crazy. Anybody that has worked as a ref or a timekeeper, please enlighten us all.
 
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Good thing you started a completely new thread about this issue. Fortunately, I have the answer.

It stopped working because sometimes things stop working. Whether they be electrical, mechanical, hydraulic, pneumatic, or any combination of those.
That answer was not an answer.
 
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Watching Bama Florida. With 3:10 in the 4th, the game clock has died and is being kept on the field. OK, I'm not just griping or trolling or b*ctin. I have a very serious question. How much technology is involved between the guy that starts and stops the clock, and the display of the clock on the scoreboard. We've landed man on the moon with a computer smaller than what your watch has now. I know they have an extra pair of sticks in case the chains break, extra ref if one has a heart attack or gets injured. Why not have some redundancy in the clock area? Honestly, from an armchair fan's perspective, it seems crazy. Anybody that has worked as a ref or a timekeeper, please enlighten us all.
Florida’s game clock and whole stadium is crap.
 
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I disagree.
I have a phone that I can stop and start counting backwards. I don’t see why the technology of having the scoreboard reflect accurate time takes a series of offense to fix. Why isn’t there some redundancy that can be substituted and get it going right away? That’s the question and you didn’t answer it. It’s a clock for heavens sake. Not a space shuttle engine.
 
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Watching Bama Florida. With 3:10 in the 4th, the game clock has died and is being kept on the field. OK, I'm not just griping or trolling or b*ctin. I have a very serious question. How much technology is involved between the guy that starts and stops the clock, and the display of the clock on the scoreboard. We've landed man on the moon with a computer smaller than what your watch has now. I know they have an extra pair of sticks in case the chains break, extra ref if one has a heart attack or gets injured. Why not have some redundancy in the clock area? Honestly, from an armchair fan's perspective, it seems crazy. Anybody that has worked as a ref or a timekeeper, please enlighten us all.

Take a look at the highlighted text above. Where did you get this?
 
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I have a phone that I can stop and start counting backwards. I don’t see why the technology of having the scoreboard reflect accurate time takes a series of offense to fix. Why isn’t there some redundancy that can be substituted and get it going right away? That’s the question and you didn’t answer it. It’s a clock for heavens sake. Not a space shuttle engine.
No one here was in the booth as the keeper of the clock. No one here knows what happened. It’s impossible to explain the situation without many more details that are not available to anyone here.
 
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Good thing you started a completely new thread about this issue. Fortunately, I have the answer.

It stopped working because sometimes things stop working. Whether they be electrical, mechanical, hydraulic, pneumatic, or any combination of those.

What an a-hole response.

OP, I didn't see what happened. Was it just the game clock only, and would it just stop randomly or would it not stop when it's supposed to?
 
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No one here was in the booth as the keeper of the clock. No one here knows what happened. It’s impossible to explain the situation without many more details that are not available to anyone here.
Volnation has a diverse following. Not everyone here is an idiot. (This isn't directed at you). There must be someone that has worked the chains, run the clock or even installed one in a stadium before. Look - I'm not trying to be difficult - I am an engineer, an have been creating software for many years. I was working at Kennedy Space center running a couple of computers in NASA headquarters on that fateful day when the Challenger was lost. I followed that investigation for the next 3 years. I only say that because your answer is similar to the committee in charge of finding out what is happening turning in their report and it says "sh*t happens, stuff breaks". A non answer.

Just think about what is happening (sort of like a flow chart). OK the clock goes out and the ref says "The time is being kept on the field".
Who is keeping the time?
How is he keeping it? (what device is he using)
How is he communicating the time to the coaches on the sideline?
By the way, there are two sidelines. Same ref (guy with the clock) in his pocket can't be on both sidelines, how do both coaches know the accurate time. How do the sideline refs communicate the time to each other?
What about the play clock? Would suck to be a quarterback and get a delay of game because you don't know how much time is left.
Why can't the device in the ref's pocket that keeps the "time on the field" be communicating to the display of the clock in the stadium? (This is the part that baffles me). Is it radio controlled?
There are obviously 2 clocks in play, the play clock and the time remaining. When they fail, why isn't one of them still working? Seems they both go dark during this mysterious period.
What is the weak link in the chain, which one of these events is most likely to fail?
If it fails, why isn't there a backup?

College football is BIG MONEY. You sort of expect that these schools would invest in making sure things go right during a ballgame. You are correct in saying "no one here knows what happened". I just want to understand why something that seems really simple to me happens, and when it happens, (like in the Bama Florida game) it happened in the last 3 minutes when one play could change the outcome of the game. Seems a little fishy really.

Seriously - I think a junior in Electrical Engineering (with a minor in software programming) could design a clock (it's just a damn clock) that could be easily reset (i.e. Stop the game, get the clock keeper to do a CTRl-ALT-DEL), re-enter the correct time for everyone to see, have a duplicate system that is waiting in the wings, and get the stadium clock synced up with the correct time BEFORE THE NEXT Play IS RUN.

Maybe that should have been in the original post.. Dunno..
 
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Or maybe, just go back to the old Analog clock. Keep it simple. "Put 1.5 seconds back on the clock please" said the ref NEVER in 1952.
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When the U.S. landed men on the moon, computers were very large compared to what they are now. It seems you have your wording (that I quoted) backwards.
I don't believe the poster was referring to the actual size of the computer. He was referring to the power of the computer. The computer in my phone is bigger/more powerful than my desktop computer in 1995. (The physical dimensions of my desktop in 1995 was a monster compared to my current phone)
 
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I don't believe the poster was referring to the actual size of the computer. He was referring to the power of the computer. The computer in my phone is bigger/more powerful than my desktop computer in 1995. (The physical dimensions of my desktop in 1995 was a monster compared to my current phone)
Exactly. A junior engineer could build a reliable clock powered by a raspberry pi, or maybe even an arduino board. Look those up.
 
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What an a-hole response.

OP, I didn't see what happened. Was it just the game clock only, and would it just stop randomly or would it not stop when it's supposed to?
You don’t know what happened either. No one here does and it’s impossible to answer, a-hole.
 
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Calm down folks. I was just trying to understand the workflow behind the scenes of a couple of clocks. Seems someone knowledgeable might chime in, but so far nobody with any real understanding has. This same problem exists at the level of high school football, so surely someone has been a ref or run the clock there. Perhaps it’s a less sophisticated clock.

I’m not really buying the answer that “eventually everything fails”. Mission critical items can have a level of redundancy built into it so that it’s rare for a failure. Case in point- barring a power failure, traffic signals rarely fail, and could have generator backup if the intersection is deemed dangerous, like a rail crossing.

This will most likely be my last post in this thread. Haven’t gotten what I’d hoped for. A Football stadium clock is one of the least complicated “controls systems” Out there. The shuttle countdown clock was controlling and check the status of hundreds of systems and events milliseconds apart. It’s just weird to me when they say “time is being kept on the field, and it goes on for the rest of the game, that it is a problem.

I mean really, have we become soccer?
 
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Calm down folks. I was just trying to understand the workflow behind the scenes of a couple of clocks. Seems someone knowledgeable might chime in, but so far nobody with any real understanding has. This same problem exists at the level of high school football, so surely someone has been a ref or run the clock there. Perhaps it’s a less sophisticated clock.

I’m not really buying the answer that “eventually everything fails”. Mission critical items can have a level of redundancy built into it so that it’s rare for a failure. Case in point- barring a power failure, traffic signals rarely fail, and could have generator backup if the intersection is deemed dangerous, like a rail crossing.

This will most likely be my last post in this thread. Haven’t gotten what I’d hoped for. A Football stadium clock is one of the least complicated “controls systems” Out there. The shuttle countdown clock was controlling and check the status of hundreds of systems and events milliseconds apart. It’s just weird to me when they say “time is being kept on the field, and it goes on for the rest of the game, that it is a problem.

I mean really, have we become soccer?
You’re making way too much out of this. The answer really is that simple. Electronics fail. It happens. There’s lots of possibilities, especially in the world of high technology. They fail safe is that there are multiple ways time is kept. But whatever sent the official time out to the scoreboard and TV officials died. That’s how they were still able to keep it on the field until it got fixed.

Apparently a game clock went out yesterday in the new Chargers stadium that messed up McCarthy managing time for the Cowboys.
 
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You’re making way too much out of this. The answer really is that simple. Electronics fail. It happens. There’s lots of possibilities, especially in the world of high technology. They fail safe is that there are multiple ways time is kept. But whatever sent the official time out to the scoreboard and TV officials died. That’s how they were still able to keep it on the field until it got fixed.

Apparently a game clock went out yesterday in the new Chargers stadium that messed up McCarthy managing time for the Cowboys.
You are right, I actually am making way to much out of this. It affects the game when it happens, and not equally. I would say it's harder for the offense to run the "2 minute drill" in the waning moments of a game and in a tight one, most definitely could affect the outcome. I would like to try and understand how time is communicated to the players an coaches on each team when the clock is dead. I probably wouldn't have even gotten my dander up, but when Nick Saben is on the ropes and suddenly the clock dies, you wonder if the ghost of Bear Bryant is in charge.
 
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