Kyle Rittenhouse - The Truth in 11 Minutes

[volinbham]

The solution is two fold.

First, Rittenhouse provoked confrontation. It's why he was there. So he bears at least some criminal culpability for going out of his way (far out of his way) to create his own need to use deadly force.

Second, those who then took the bait as it were and confronted or threatened him also bear some criminal responsibility for what happened.

But the latter does not justify the former.

Had a BLM protestor from Detroit shown up with a rifle to register his dissatisfaction with what was going on and ended up shooting several folks I guarantee you a lot of the people here would view this differently.

Him being present provokes confrontation? If that's the standard then everyone who showed up with any weapon is guilty of the same.

It's not far out of his way - it's essentially like going from E. St Louis to W. St Louis.

Finally - LOL at the concept "create your own need to use deadly force"

 

[BreatheUT]

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Guy with big clothing buttons in both ears - definite leftist.

 

[KB5252]

The solution is two fold.

First, Rittenhouse provoked confrontation. It's why he was there. So he bears at least some criminal culpability for going out of his way (far out of his way) to create his own need to use deadly force.

Second, those who then took the bait as it were and confronted or threatened him also bear some criminal responsibility for what happened.

But the latter does not justify the former.

Had a BLM protestor from Detroit shown up with a rifle to register his dissatisfaction with what was going on and ended up shooting several folks I guarantee you a lot of the people here would view this differently.

If the details were reversed as you stated my opinion would remain the same.

I think Ritt was stupid but he didn't intend to hurt anyone. People who do don't stop to put fires out.

I think he was stupid for going, but he didn't murder anyone.

 

[KB5252]

What happened to the Armaud Aubrey (spelling?) Case thread. I want to catch up on it.

 

[StarRaider]

 

[DonjoVol]

Guy with big clothing buttons in both ears - definite leftist.

I wouldn't judge people's political affiliations based on that. Met plenty of conservatives and Republicans over the years who dressed differently than me.

 

[DynaLo]

The solution is two fold.

First, Rittenhouse provoked confrontation. It's why he was there. So he bears at least some criminal culpability for going out of his way (far out of his way) to create his own need to use deadly force.

Second, those who then took the bait as it were and confronted or threatened him also bear some criminal responsibility for what happened.

But the latter does not justify the former.

Had a BLM protestor from Detroit shown up with a rifle to register his dissatisfaction with what was going on and ended up shooting several folks I guarantee you a lot of the people here would view this differently.

Huh??

 

[lawgator1]

Him being present provokes confrontation? If that's the standard then everyone who showed up with any weapon is guilty of the same.

It's not far out of his way - it's essentially like going from E. St Louis to W. St Louis.

Finally - LOL at the concept "create your own need to use deadly force"

Yes in that context. It's blatantly obvious he wanted confrontation.

He got it.

Does not justify those who confronted him but you can't ignore he set it in motion.

 

[KB5252]

Huh??

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I won't fault LG for this one, I just looked it up and it's 20 miles. But the impression I got from the media's presentation he crossed a state line and then drove clear across the state.

 

[lawgator1]

If the details were reversed as you stated my opinion would remain the same.

I think Ritt was stupid but he didn't intend to hurt anyone. People who do don't stop to put fires out.

I think he was stupid for going, but he didn't murder anyone.

Intend to hurt anyone.


Hmmmmm. He intended to create conflict and prepared accordingly.

 

[RockyTop85]

Yes in that context. It's blatantly obvious he wanted confrontation.

He got it.

Does not justify those who confronted him but you can't ignore he set it in motion.

Disagree. The evidence at trial has been almost the exact opposite.

If he went there wanting a confrontation surely Kenosha PD and the prosecution could have found a witness to him trying to provoke somebody.

Seems more like Rosenbaum wanted the confrontation, from what I’ve seen in the last 15 months.

 

[KB5252]

Yes in that context. It's blatantly obvious he wanted confrontation.

He got it.

Does not justify those who confronted him but you can't ignore he set it in motion.

He didn't though, their presence brought about his. Whether you think he drove there to protect or provoke if the demonstrators/rioters weren't there he wouldn't have been either. They set the scene, he just stupidly included himself in the situation. They escalated it.

 

[volinbham]

Intend to hurt anyone.


Hmmmmm. He intended to create conflict and prepared accordingly.

Intended to create conflict? By showing up with a weapon? Again if that's the standard then 100s (1000s) of people are guilty.

What testimony established this intent "to create conflict"?

 

[volinbham]

I won't fault LG for this one, I just looked it up and it's 20 miles. But the impression I got from the media's presentation he crossed a state line and then drove clear across the state.

Yep - in Knoxville terms it's like driving from E. Knoxville to W. Knoxville.

 

[KB5252]

Intend to hurt anyone.


Hmmmmm. He intended to create conflict and prepared accordingly.

Or he expected there could be conflict based on news coverage and took steps to protect himself or discourage others from inflicting violence on him.

Enter the lunatic who was shot first. He was a loose cannon and set the events that transpired in motion. The reason he was angry, Ritt and the group he was with extinguished a fire he set....

 

[midnight orange]

Him being present provokes confrontation? If that's the standard then everyone who showed up with any weapon is guilty of the same.

It's not far out of his way - it's essentially like going from E. St Louis to W. St Louis.

Finally - LOL at the concept "create your own need to use deadly force"

He shouldn’t have whistled at those white women.

 

[volinbham]

Yes in that context. It's blatantly obvious he wanted confrontation.

He got it.

Does not justify those who confronted him but you can't ignore he set it in motion.

what testimony established this intent?

 

[RikidyBones]

Yes in that context. It's blatantly obvious he wanted confrontation.

He got it.

Does not justify those who confronted him but you can't ignore he set it in motion.

You're letting what you want to be true cloud your thoughts.

 

[C-south]

The solution is two fold.

First, Rittenhouse provoked confrontation. It's why he was there. So he bears at least some criminal culpability for going out of his way (far out of his way) to create his own need to use deadly force.

Second, those who then took the bait as it were and confronted or threatened him also bear some criminal responsibility for what happened.

But the latter does not justify the former.

Had a BLM protestor from Detroit shown up with a rifle to register his dissatisfaction with what was going on and ended up shooting several folks I guarantee you a lot of the people here would view this differently.

Lol. What an idiotic assessment.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

First, Rittenhouse provoked confrontation. It's why he was there.

 

[StarRaider]

Yep - in Knoxville terms it's like driving from E. Knoxville to W. Knoxville.

ehhh maybe more like Greenback to Strawberry Plains

I would say Tasso to Tellico Plains but that would be too hard

 

[C-south]

Intend to hurt anyone.


Hmmmmm. He intended to create conflict and prepared accordingly.

Good for him.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

He intended to create conflict

That's a

 

[Jxn Vol]

Intend to hurt anyone.


Hmmmmm. He intended to create conflict and prepared accordingly.

This is what happens children when you let mainstream media shape your thoughts and opinions.

 

[StarRaider]

so what got vaporized more?

a. lyin' lefty's bicep
b. #disbarbinger's prosecution case