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Devo182 said:
Do we have any HR people or hiring managers in the house?

From a new employee perspective, what's the best way to negotiate an increased salary and time off without coming off the wrong way? I've never worked for a type of company or in a position to negotiate, nor am I a pushy or salesman type. Need some good tips.

Don't want to burn any bridges and, honestly, I'd probably take the job even if they didn't budge an inch. But I think they will a bit and I'd like to at least try.
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Are we talking about a small or large company? I can give my opinion as a former department head for a large engineering company. Starting salaries, vacation, sick leave policies etc. were set by management and HR department. So as a department head I had flexibility on who to hire, but not on starting salaries and benefits. The good news was that annual raises were based on performance, so we did have control over how to split up the raise budget each year.

Only once did an interviewee come in with a list of demands on benefits, about ten of them! (Extra vacation, Fridays off, on and on.) We didn't hire him. So my advice would be to tread carefully.
 
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Devo182 said:
Out of all of that, I knew someone would nitpick one sentence lol. Preseason vs exhibition, whatever. Let's just say no "absolutely horrible" football players even sniff the NFL. That's ridiculous. The greatest players on earth are out there.. to even get there isn't for absolutely horrible folks. Nor do they post 145 qbrs in the freakin SEC.
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And that's always been my argument with Colton Jumper and others we constantly bashed while they were here.
 
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Devo182 said:
Fun fact:

Hooker has the highest UT qbr all-time so far. His 181 QBR as a UT qb is a whopping 24 points higher than 2nd place.

And it was only year 1 😅😂

Just imagine if we had Heupel's mind back 15 years ago to save Fulmer and his high-talent defenses. Man, what a deadly combo that would've been.
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Even in our best years, we were regularly out-coached. We were at such a talent level that it had minimal effect on our record. But the Spurriers of the world could pull plays out his butt and they'd work. Walt Harris was our most progressive offensive mind. Cut was great but was more of an instilling fundamentals svengali...rather than X's and O's genius. Kiffin's stubborn bent messed up some of his effect in a one off season.
 
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Devo182 said:
"Absolutely horrible" QBs don't see the field and throw a TD in the NFL...😑

"Absolutely horrible" QBs are...
Nick Stephens
Justin Worley (sorry Worleybird)
AJ Suggs
Rick Clausen

Even Andy Kelly threw more INTs in his career than TDs and NOT ONCE threw more TDs than INTs in a season. Had a career 129 qbr and not once surpassed 132...while JG had 2 seasons in the mid 140s. But AK had elite defenses and rushing games...so people will see him as being better. It's crazy. Meanwhile, JG was matched with AWFUL OLs, defenses, and mediocre RBs...and awful coaches. He did what he could and tried, often shellacked and sacrificing his body.

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Absolute Horrible QBs do throw TDS in the NFL “preseason”…. Proud of JG but right now he is just a camp guy playing against guys that are going to be cut.
 
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Devo182 said:
Out of all of that, I knew someone would nitpick one sentence lol. Preseason vs exhibition, whatever. Let's just say no "absolutely horrible" football players even sniff the NFL. That's ridiculous. The greatest players on earth are out there.. to even get there isn't for absolutely horrible folks. Nor do they post 145 qbrs in the freakin SEC.
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Yes….. they do too….. Nick Stephens who you used as an example of a horrible quarterback signed a free agent deal with the titans…
 
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Devo182 said:
Do we have any HR people or hiring managers in the house?

From a new employee perspective, what's the best way to negotiate an increased salary and time off without coming off the wrong way? I've never worked for a type of company or in a position to negotiate, nor am I a pushy or salesman type. Need some good tips.

Don't want to burn any bridges and, honestly, I'd probably take the job even if they didn't budge an inch. But I think they will a bit and I'd like to at least try.
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Just ask. I learned a long time ago to get all you can on the front end because the money and PTO comes slow once you get hired. If you're already on a 2nd interview, they're interested and you have some leverage. If it's your first interview but you've got skills/experience they're interested in, let them know what you want.

You'd be surprised what you can get when you ask for it
 
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Devo182 said:
Do we have any HR people or hiring managers in the house?

From a new employee perspective, what's the best way to negotiate an increased salary and time off without coming off the wrong way? I've never worked for a type of company or in a position to negotiate, nor am I a pushy or salesman type. Need some good tips.

Don't want to burn any bridges and, honestly, I'd probably take the job even if they didn't budge an inch. But I think they will a bit and I'd like to at least try.
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Tell them you have another offer for a different company at X and see if they will match it.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Tell them you have another offer for a different company at X and see if they will match it.
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The ole Doug Heffernan theory.

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Seriously..get as much as can upfront without being too crazy. This labor market is crazy now. It is an employee market.
Just be aware of the dreaded "R" word..and dont give up tenure.
 
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Orangeburst said:
The ole Doug Heffernan theory.

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Seriously..get as much as can upfront without being too crazy. This labor market is crazy now. It is an employee market.
Just be aware of the dreaded "R" word..and dont give up tenure.
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Thats my advice, because I just did it and it worked. Went and interviewed for a job I had no intentions of taking went back to my boss and told them what they offered. My boss came back and beat them.
 
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Orangeburst said:
The ole Doug Heffernan theory.

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Seriously..get as much as can upfront without being too crazy. This labor market is crazy now. It is an employee market.
Just be aware of the dreaded "R" word..and dont give up tenure.
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For now. Lots of major companies have announced hiring freezes or layoffs, and the coming recession will likely be the worst we've seen for a while. Overpaid new guys may be the first to go when this flips, and it will.
 
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SSVol said:
For now. Lots of major companies have announced hiring freezes or layoffs, and the coming recession will likely be the worst we've seen for a while. Overpaid new guys may be the first to go when this flips, and it will.
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And why exactly is that?
 
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