I guess im in for a coaching change now, but Gruden is not our guy.....

[Lexvol]

I'll start this by saying that i'm a huge Dooley supporter. I understands everyone's frustration with the team, but coach Dooley is our current coach and that means he has my support no matter what. I'm also a little older than some people and grew up with coach Fulmer. Say what you wanted about Phil, he is the definition of VFL and loves the program. In Phil, we also had a long tenure coach and we didn't have to worry about these coaching changes.

Anyways, back to the upcoming coaching change that will probably take place at the end of the season. As I stated, i'm a supporter of Dooleys, but this team's defense is historically bad and something has to change and I cant see Dooley keeping his job and UT bringing in a 3rd defensive cord in 3 years.

So that leaves us with needing a new Head Man and Vol fans screaming for John Gruden. As someone that it tired of seeing new faces on the coaching staff each year, I think hiring Gruden would be a major mistake. I think UT needs to try and and find a candidate that will be with the program for a decade.

Lets be real, that's not John Gruden! While he would be an amazing recruiter and would definitely help the program get back on its feet, it wouldn't last more than 3 or 4 years at the most. Gruden in a NFL coach and NFL teams will continue to pull at his coat tails the rest of his life and eventually he will return to The League. Does anyone really think john Gruden is going to put up with boasters and players parents storming into his office crying about their sons playing tine situation. Good god, no!

UT needs to look long term with the new coaching change and try and find a candidate that can turn in a Fulmer type tenure so that our program can restore its stability.

Stability is the key to success in College Football.

I appreciate your post, and I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but ask Penn State where the bolded statement got them.

I see this as a watershed moment for the program. Either the University intends to field a competitive football program to match their new complex and their huge stadium....or they don't.

Either way, the fans deserve to know whether they are committed to winning or not.

Stability doesn't come with the kind of performances we've been treated with over the last 3 years with this staff. Stability comes with recruiting and with following the Maxims laid forth by General Neyland.

I'll hang up and listen.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Wipe your chin you piece of trash. Your hero is history at UT.
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I did wipe but you won't go away, trash lover. BTW, my hero is my daughter and though to my dismay she isn't a UT student or alumni, she also isn't history at UT. So your fallacy continues to compile.

Haven't you figured out yet I'm using you as my toy for today? Think of yourself as my comedic relief for my misery over the state of our beloved Vols team. You'll then have this whole exchange in a proper perspective.

Now, put your dongle away, no one wants to see it.

 

[drodvol]

I appreciate your post, and I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but ask Penn State where the bolded statement got them.

I see this as a watershed moment for the program. Either the University intends to field a competitive football program to match their new complex and their huge stadium....or they don't.

Either way, the fans deserve to know whether they are committed to winning or not.

Stability doesn't come with the kind of performances we've been treated with over the last 3 years with this staff. Stability comes with recruiting and with following the Maxims laid forth by General Neyland.

I'll hang up and listen.

Seems to me that with all the mistakes that have been made the biggest one is Sal. The hiring of our offense staff was was not a mistake. It was pretty darn good. So is the hiring of one bad coach enough to offset everything. Maybe but it is still fixable, we can fix the one bad hire. If our O can put up the points next year that we did this year and the mistake are fixed next year ie. a different D scheme what would our record possible be. I think much better.

 

[thebjd]

Seems to me that with all the mistakes that have been made the biggest one is Sal. The hiring of our offense staff was was not a mistake. It was pretty darn good. So is the hiring of one bad coach enough to offset everything. Maybe but it is still fixable, we can fix the one bad hire. If our O can put up the points next year that we did this year and the mistake are fixed next year ie. a different D scheme what would our record possible be. I think much better.

Go back further than the hiring of Sunseri and ask why all of the other coaches jumped ship.

 

[Lexvol]

Seems to me that with all the mistakes that have been made the biggest one is Sal. The hiring of our offense staff was was not a mistake. It was pretty darn good. So is the hiring of one bad coach enough to offset everything. Maybe but it is still fixable, we can fix the one bad hire. If our O can put up the points next year that we did this year and the mistake are fixed next year ie. a different D scheme what would our record possible be. I think much better.

Derek Dooley couldn't fix a speeding ticket....much less this football team.

 

[drodvol]

Derek Dooley couldn't fix a speeding ticket....much less this football team.

Im not debating all of the mistakes just the Defense. If we keep everything in place and just change the D scheme to include another coordinator does our record get better. Simple question.

 

[Lexvol]

Im not debating all of the mistakes just the Defense. If we keep everything in place and just change the D scheme to include another coordinator does our record get better. Simple question.

The record may be better, but you have just sacrificed another season because of a bad hire.

If Dooley was an x's and o's guy why couldn't he helped fix the recurring problems before now.....like right after the Florida game?

 

[drodvol]

The record may be better, but you have just sacrificed another season because of a bad hire.

If Dooley was an x's and o's guy why couldn't he helped fix the recurring problems before now.....like right after the Florida game?

Not arguing your point. I just dont see DD going anywhere, so that leaves IMO a definsive issue that needs to be addresed. if he doesn't go anywhere then the biggest issue is our Defensive issue and it must be changed. I feel that this one change is the biggest one especially if DD stays.

 

[Lexvol]

Not arguing your point. I just dont see DD going anywhere, so that leaves IMO a definsive issue that needs to be addresed. if he doesn't go anywhere then the biggest issue is our Defensive issue and it must be changed. I feel that this one change is the biggest one especially if DD stays.

If DD stays the biggest issue will be season ticket sales. I don't care who he hires to be his DC.

 

[drodvol]

If DD stays the biggest issue will be season ticket sales. I don't care who he hires to be his DC.

The biggest issue is wins and losses. If we win they will come.

 

[VolsFanRJ]

I'll start this by saying that i'm a huge Dooley supporter. I understands everyone's frustration with the team, but coach Dooley is our current coach and that means he has my support no matter what. I'm also a little older than some people and grew up with coach Fulmer. Say what you wanted about Phil, he is the definition of VFL and loves the program. In Phil, we also had a long tenure coach and we didn't have to worry about these coaching changes.

Anyways, back to the upcoming coaching change that will probably take place at the end of the season. As I stated, i'm a supporter of Dooleys, but this team's defense is historically bad and something has to change and I cant see Dooley keeping his job and UT bringing in a 3rd defensive cord in 3 years.

So that leaves us with needing a new Head Man and Vol fans screaming for John Gruden. As someone that it tired of seeing new faces on the coaching staff each year, I think hiring Gruden would be a major mistake. I think UT needs to try and and find a candidate that will be with the program for a decade.

Lets be real, that's not John Gruden! While he would be an amazing recruiter and would definitely help the program get back on its feet, it wouldn't last more than 3 or 4 years at the most. Gruden in a NFL coach and NFL teams will continue to pull at his coat tails the rest of his life and eventually he will return to The League. Does anyone really think john Gruden is going to put up with boasters and players parents storming into his office crying about their sons playing tine situation. Good god, no!

UT needs to look long term with the new coaching change and try and find a candidate that can turn in a Fulmer type tenure so that our program can restore its stability.

Stability is the key to success in College Football.

Most coaches today do not stay at one place for more than 5 years or so. It's not like it use to be. The days of coaches getting hired and staying somewhere for 15 years are gone. Gruden would be just as likely to be here 10 years as anyone else UT could hire. It's just a chance you take.

 

[Lexvol]

The biggest issue is wins and losses. If we win they will come.

Season tickets matter. Those are preseason sales. We haven't won, and they will drop dramatically.

 

[drodvol]

Season tickets matter. Those are preseason sales. We haven't won, and they will drop dramatically.

We the Vol Nation have no say in what happens. If we are dealt the hand that includes Dooley staying then he must deal with the Defense. If this is the case then IMHO the only thing to do is scrap our present Defensive scheme and start over until a better hand is dealt us. At this point it may be our only option.

 

[Lexvol]

We the Vol Nation have no say in what happens. If we are dealt the hand that includes Dooley staying then he must deal with the Defense. If this is the case then IMHO the only thing to do is scrap our present Defensive scheme and start over until a better hand is dealt us. At this point it may be our only option.

Mitch didn't want to fire Joker either. When 19k showed up to a 70k stadium....he was out of options. The Wildcat Nation had its say.

 

[Titan&Volfan4life]

Derek Dooley couldn't fix a speeding ticket....much less this football team.

Most people on here last year said CDD couldn't fix our running game and turned out to be 100% WRONG.

Most on here said our RB's were pathetic and we had to recruit SEC type running backs before we would ever see a good running team again and were 100% WRONG.

Most on here said our O linemen were pathetic and we'd have to recruit SEC type O linemen before our running game would be good and they were 100% WRONG.

Most here on VN said that CJC was the worst OC and QB's coach in America and that our O would remain pathetic until we got a new OC and QB coach and were 100% WRONG.

Being totally WRONG here on VN seems to be what all the great AD's and all the great Head coaches seem to do best.

There's exactly NOBODY here on VN that really knows anything with any certainty except how to be WRONG most of the time.

CDD said he would fix our running game after last season and he DID that much better than all the WRONG people here on VN ever believed he could.

HOW can all these WRONG people actually KNOW for certain that CDD can't fix our Defense this off season just like he fixed our running game last offseason?

CDD might have our D next season as a top 10 D but I do NOT know for certain if he can get that done just as I do NOT know if CDD will have our D being a total flop next season like it obviously is this season.

Speculate and GUESS are the only things people here on VN can do but most of the time the VN posters records say they're mostly WRONG lots more often than they're right.

Just like NOBODY knows if CSS was actually a CDD hire or if AD Hart forced CDD to hire Sal...Nobody really KNOWS for certain.

The 1 thing we all do actually know is that our D this 1st season in the 3-4 is pathetic and that our D simply MUST change and get lots better before we'll win another SEC Championship of even the SEC East title but I also remember most here on VN loving it and ranting and raving that laMe kiffScum would be our great savior too and that's just another examply of most here being WRONG.

I also remember most here saying our Vols would be a 9 or 10 Win team this season even though I said we would be a 7 or 8 win team but that's just another example of most here on VN being totally WRONG.

NOBODY here has any say at all what will happen so just support our team and let the big $$$ boosters and AD Hart decide and we'll all actually know something when AD Hart tells the press.

If CDD stays or leaves means only 1 thing to me...I WILL support my Vols players and coaches no matter who they are in good times and in bad times because I love my Tennessee Vols and have cheered them on for 50 years and that will continue until I die.

VFL...GBO!!!

 

[drodvol]

Mitch didn't want to fire Joker either. When 19k showed up to a 70k stadium....he was out of options. The Wildcat Nation had its say.

I feel your pain just trying to look at another option. One which I think is going to happen. Enjoyed the debate, got to go to work now. GBO!!!

 

[hohenfelsvol]

Most people on here last year said CDD couldn't fix our running game and turned out to be 100% WRONG.

Most on here said our RB's were pathetic and we had to recruit SEC type running backs before we would ever see a good running team again and were 100% WRONG.

Most on here said our O linemen were pathetic and we'd have to recruit SEC type O linemen before our running game would be good and they were 100% WRONG.

Most here on VN said that CJC was the worst OC and QB's coach in America and that our O would remain pathetic until we got a new OC and QB coach and were 100% WRONG.

Being totally WRONG here on VN seems to be what all the great AD's and all the great Head coaches seem to do best.

There's exactly NOBODY here on VN that really knows anything with any certainty except how to be WRONG most of the time.

CDD said he would fix our running game after last season and he DID that much better than all the WRONG people here on VN ever believed he could.

HOW can all these WRONG people actually KNOW for certain that CDD can't fix our Defense this off season just like he fixed our running game last offseason?

CDD might have our D next season as a top 10 D but I do NOT know for certain if he can get that done just as I do NOT know if CDD will have our D being a total flop next season like it obviously is this season.

Speculate and GUESS are the only things people here on VN can do but most of the time the VN posters records say they're mostly WRONG lots more often than they're right.

Just like NOBODY knows if CSS was actually a CDD hire or if AD Hart forced CDD to hire Sal...Nobody really KNOWS for certain.

The 1 thing we all do actually know is that our D this 1st season in the 3-4 is pathetic and that our D simply MUST change and get lots better before we'll win another SEC Championship of even the SEC East title but I also remember most here on VN loving it and ranting and raving that laMe kiffScum would be our great savior too and that's just another examply of most here being WRONG.

I also remember most here saying our Vols would be a 9 or 10 Win team this season even though I said we would be a 7 or 8 win team but that's just another example of most here on VN being totally WRONG.

NOBODY here has any say at all what will happen so just support our team and let the big $$$ boosters and AD Hart decide and we'll all actually know something when AD Hart tells the press.

If CDD stays or leaves means only 1 thing to me...I WILL support my Vols players and coaches no matter who they are in good times and in bad times because I love my Tennessee Vols and have cheered them on for 50 years and that will continue until I die.

VFL...GBO!!!

0-5 SEC play (3 seasons in a row)
0-Umpteen vs ranked opponents

Over his head

 

[Lexvol]

I feel your pain just trying to look at another option. One which I think is going to happen. Enjoyed the debate, got to go to work now. GBO!!!

That isn't my "pain". That is what happened.

 

[VolsFanRJ]

Mitch didn't want to fire Joker either. When 19k showed up to a 70k stadium....he was out of options. The Wildcat Nation had its say.

I don't think this weeks game against Mizzou will send that message to Hart. I feel like a lot more people will show this Saturday than they did against Troy. It's an SEC game and for some a better opponent. I personally think Mizzou is a bad team but that's just me. If we lose this week or against Vandy then the attendance for the Kentucky game will be extremely low. That game will be the deciding factor if that's the only thing Hart is basing his decision on.

 

[Fighting Possum]

Ok please tell me why people think that if we offer anyone will come? Did we not go through this just a couple of years ago and had a really hard time finding ANYONE that would take it. We had more money then also. Yes the talent was not as good as it is now on the team but I still do not see why people think we can reel in this big fish. Listen I want a big name here also and I want this to work but we need to see the glass for what it is.

Honestly i mean no disrespect, but as a fan our job is to look at the glass and see half full. The coaching search that ended with Dooley's hire was completely different because it came very late and others coaches were already fully invested in their recruiting classes and Kiffin left our program in disarray. Now we have more to build on. Dont believe the negativity that says we cant get a great coach. Believe...its what fans do!

 

[phowell23]

The Friday meeting of the Board of Trustees will be a pivotal day in the future of UT football. They will vote to keep the AD under the University, or separate the two (like other SEC schools have done). Let's hope they vote for the latter so the AD can make the changes they want/need to make.

 

[Hojo9889]

Saying hiring Gruden would be a mistake is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Its Jon Gruden! He has won a Superbowl and is a great coach. I think it is a long shot but it is worth it.

 

[Lexvol]

I don't think this weeks game against Mizzou will send that message to Hart. I feel like a lot more people will show this Saturday than they did against Troy. It's an SEC game and for some a better opponent. I personally think Mizzou is a bad team but that's just me. If we lose this week or against Vandy then the attendance for the Kentucky game will be extremely low. That game will be the deciding factor if that's the only thing Hart is basing his decision on.

Game attendance will be interesting this week. Mizzou should bring more fans. I expect a few more people Saturday as well, but it will probably still be low for an SEC game. 12p kick hurts as well.

 

[GAVol]

You need to stop being so paranoid...You have no idea what a new coach will do or won't do...He might be here for 20 years or he might leave after 3 or 4 but that is the nature of the beast...If that happens then it does, You can't make someone STAY where they don't want to be....There are no guarantees...None

And if the coach does what he's supposed to do, he leaves a solid program for the next guy. See LSU.

 

[ItsAllVols]

Nope for me...I’m in for stability in the coaching ranks....look it could be worst...give the man time to at least graduate a class...even next year’s class CDD only had 2 weeks to recruit...really...stay the course because CJG is not coming to Tennessee...to be bantered by UT fans..