ridiculous stat to add fuel to the fire

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i've defended cuonzo, but i saw this stat and it was so eye popping, that it really is hard to comprehend how tennessee has lost at all, nevermind several losses.

but, i looked at jay bilas' rankings of his top 68 teams. tennessee is 36th. in his blurb, he writes that tennessee collects 41% of their missed shots.

41% of the time tennessee misses they get an offensive rebound.

so, if they play a game and take 50 shots. let's say they make 20 of them. they get the offensive rebound on 12-13 of the 30 shots they miss.

that's ridiculous.

it's really difficult to rebound 41% of your missed shots and lose games. it just is. basically, they almost collect as many offensive rebounds in a game as the opponent gets defensive rebounds.

they average.....average.....14.7 offensive rebounds per game.

all of that equals the other team having to defend more, fouling more, allowing more stick back buckets (with the occasional "and 1"), etc, etc, etc.

now, here's the weird part. they only average 2 more shot attempts per game than their opponent
 
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99gator said:
i've defended cuonzo, but i saw this stat and it was so eye popping, that it really is hard to comprehend how tennessee has lost at all, nevermind several losses.

but, i looked at jay bilas' rankings of his top 68 teams. tennessee is 36th. in his blurb, he writes that tennessee collects 41% of their missed shots.

41% of the time tennessee misses they get an offensive rebound.

so, if they play a game and take 50 shots. let's say they make 20 of them. they get the offensive rebound on 12-13 of the 30 shots they miss.

that's ridiculous.

it's really difficult to rebound 41% of your missed shots and lose games. it just is. basically, they almost collect as many offensive rebounds in a game as the opponent gets defensive rebounds.

they average.....average.....14.7 offensive rebounds per game.

all of that equals the other team having to defend more, fouling more, allowing more stick back buckets (with the occasional "and 1"), etc, etc, etc.

now, here's the weird part. they only average 2 more shot attempts per game than their opponent
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Would be interesting to know how many of those offensive boards were after blown layups!!!
 
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golfballs said:
Kentucky grabs nearly 43% of their missed shots. How have they lost 5 games??
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Why must other teams be brought up when discussing UT? We aren't Ky. We don't start true freshmen all over the place and cals dribble drive is just a tad different than cm's reign them in offense. Gator just pointed out the off reb %. Why this team isn't trying to shoot every few seconds is beyond me and has been, obviously. Low turnover and offensive effeciency are more imortant than running your opponents out of the gym and collecting W's. Its baffling.
 
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Style of play, folks. Zo will let them amp it up and go full court every once in awhile when he is 100% comfortable of the match up advantage. Sometimes the opponent has been good enough on D to slow the game and go half court - which the team stinks at since they have no true PG - and which Zo has no idea how to change the flow back to a faster paced game. Zo is limited in what he knows to do.

Sparty is right. Pick up the tempo, shoot quick and dribble drive from the wings off screens/picks with some pull up shorter range jumpers while making sure Stokes and Maymon have rebound position. It's OK to take 10-15' foot shots - they don't all have to be 3s or bunnies. Richardson and even Stokes on occasion can knock those down. So should the others except Maymon, whose shooting ability is limited.
 
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Vols4us said:
Style of play, folks. Zo will let them amp it up and go full court every once in awhile when he is 100% comfortable of the match up advantage. Sometimes the opponent has been good enough on D to slow the game and go half court - which the team stinks at since they have no true PG - and which Zo has no idea how to change the flow back to a faster paced game. Zo is limited in what he knows to do.

Sparty is right. Pick up the tempo, shoot quick and dribble drive from the wings off screens/picks with some pull up shorter range jumpers while making sure Stokes and Maymon have rebound position. It's OK to take 10-15' foot shots - they don't all have to be 3s or bunnies. Richardson and even Stokes on occasion can knock those down. So should the others except Maymon, whose shooting ability is limited.
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This, in my opinion, is where Armani is criminally underused.
 
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99gator said:
i've defended cuonzo, but i saw this stat and it was so eye popping, that it really is hard to comprehend how tennessee has lost at all, nevermind several losses.

but, i looked at jay bilas' rankings of his top 68 teams. tennessee is 36th. in his blurb, he writes that tennessee collects 41% of their missed shots.

41% of the time tennessee misses they get an offensive rebound.

so, if they play a game and take 50 shots. let's say they make 20 of them. they get the offensive rebound on 12-13 of the 30 shots they miss.

that's ridiculous.

it's really difficult to rebound 41% of your missed shots and lose games. it just is. basically, they almost collect as many offensive rebounds in a game as the opponent gets defensive rebounds.

they average.....average.....14.7 offensive rebounds per game.

all of that equals the other team having to defend more, fouling more, allowing more stick back buckets (with the occasional "and 1"), etc, etc, etc.

now, here's the weird part. they only average 2 more shot attempts per game than their opponent
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So, at first glance this does seem odd, but the explanation actually is not really turnovers but more involves both Tennessee's free throw rate AND their opponent's free throw rate. Tennessee's free throw rate is 43 percent (e.g 554 free throws / 1289 field goal attempts) which is in the middle of the pack for the SEC. That being said, their opponent's free throw rate is 33.4 percent (e.g 417 free throws /1247 field goal attempts). So, that's where the extra shots are disappearing to, as Tennessee gets about 6 more free throws than their opponents per game. Further, if we examine made free throws (UT 395 Opp. 286) that basically comes down to 5 more points per game. That's a big deal.
So at this point in this long post you can either yell FAHHRR KUONZO and quit reading OR you can continue reading and I'll try to explain part of why Tennessee has been under performing.
First, quickly read the start of this article by Ken Pomeroy about 3 point shooting defense and how much the percentages are actually controlled by the defending team. If you don't want to do that, the cliff notes version is that you're opp 3P% is more dictated by the teams you are playing and whether or not they are good/having a good day. Hence, it's a luck stat, kind of the recovered fumbles of basketball.
the kenpom.com blog
Tennessee is in 13th place conference wide in OPP 3P% at 35.2%. This doesn't excuse these losses or Cuonzo Martin, but consider that A&M shot 53 %, Kentucky 47 %, and Vandy 40 % in those losses. Those threes made a big difference in those games. If those teams shoot at their average Tennessee beats A&M and Vandy and the UK game is a one possession game. (Tangent on that UK game, they also went 23/24 from free throws AND we went 2/13 from three. It was a game where really aberrant shooting masked just how badly we spanked those guys on the boards. I would love another shot at them in Atlanta.)
Finally, consider that the season isn't over yet. Maybe we'll start to get some good luck in these next 9 games and we'll find a way to go 8-1 or 9-0. That's basically what's happened the past two years.
 
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