Have you ever seen anything like this?

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bowlinggreenvol said:
So if it didn't open up after 4 what's the next option since that's option #1? No way you call a play that's that slow developing when you have no more TO's. I'd sure hope our coaches aren't coaching a player to wait 4 seconds before looking at option #2.
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you are talking to a guy that never had a play drawn up by a coach so has no idea what you are talking about
 
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Lmao the old...

If it's a crappy play, "is that the best Martin can draw up"

If it's a good play, "no way Martin drew that up, players improvised on their own"


I get the guys not the best coach in the world, but the absolute refusal to give credit where it's due is comical.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
So if it didn't open up after 4 what's the next option since that's option #1? No way you call a play that's that slow developing when you have no more TO's. I'd sure hope our coaches aren't coaching a player to wait 4 seconds before looking at option #2.
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You're talking about Cuonzo Martin.
 
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Watching the play live, it did not seem to be the play that was drawn from the huddle. It appeared to me to be a great play made by players after the options were not open. But I'll say this, I bet there was talk in the huddle about looking for Stokes in the paint.
 
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On Jarnell's play to tie the game at the end of regulation...

"It's a play we run in practice. We go over our situations all the time. There's different options out of that particular play. But for us needing two points, going inside to Jarnell with one-on-one isolation. I thought Josh did a tremendous job of putting that ball through there and I thought Jarnell did a great job at catching that ball."
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From utsports.com
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
No one has denied he said it. We deny that was the initial design. You say we're talking about Cuonzo here so we should expect things to be back asswards yet laude him for the play call.
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Unlike his predecessor I've not seen Martin ever lie, so no, I don't think he's lying in this instance either.

That'd be pretty F'd up to do to your players, the whole locker room knowing that wasn't the play and they bailed you out yet you go and say that was the drawn up play?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Lmao the old...

If it's a crappy play, "is that the best Martin can draw up"

If it's a good play, "no way Martin drew that up, players improvised on their own"


I get the guys not the best coach in the world, but the absolute refusal to give credit where it's due is comical.
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what's comical is you not able to realize why that play wasn't drawn up that way. Basic basketball stuff. On the court. Not on a piece of paper.
To explain, which you will have no idea what I'm talking about and argue but doing it anyway:
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1.)a coach expects the on ball defender to be between your inbounder and the basket. That pass isn't supposed to be a possibility, especially a bounce pass
2)coach expects the defender on Stokes to front with backside help, which is where the Caruso kid was, or at least shadow. Expecting him to play behind and give him the rim would be a bad coach predicting a bad play by the center of the other team. Ridiculous. Actually, he'd be predicting the man on the ball would also jump out of the way for him to make the pass. You assuming CM drew up a play based off of predicting 2 defensive lapses pretty much lines up with the expected.
3)Stokes was supposed to get position and get ready for a putback in case of a miss. That's why he was under the goal

Why aren't you able to see the defensive lapses that allowed Stokes to make that play. CM's wasn't working, as they haven't been at all from under the basket or the side, and two players made a play, the exact thing CM has been preaching all year, regarding players making plays.
Based on 2 defensive lapses, not a drawn up play executed a half second prior to a turnover.
 
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If the play they run is "throw to Jarnell in the paint if he is open", he called it. I don't question that would be the option if open. In fact, I bet that was said. To me, it didn't seem there was a lot of planning in the in bound pass period. If the play he called was for Stokes to use his skills to get open one on one underneath the basket and get it to him after the 4 second count, I understand more about our inability to win close games.
 
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Stokes can get position anytime he wants, a guy could've fronted, a quick move and a&$ into him and all of a sudden he's no longer fronting now is he?
 
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Just watched the replay.

Stokes' guy was somewhat fronting him, more of a face guard, stokes set a half pick and the guy cheated off for a split second. As soon as he did Stokes leveled him when he came back to recover pinning him under the basket.

I'm sure that was complete improv

Edit: it was McRae running a V cut fwiw, he came down to the paint, stokes set the screen then he went back up top.
 
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you guys watch basketball. How many times in the last 5 years have you seen that passing lane and position under the rim available? Have you seen that bounce pass to the lane at the end of a game or even halftime before? Or even just during a game? Out of all the plays, you are telling me a coach of CM's caliber called a play that the best of the best don't have in the playbook?
 
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Spartacavolus said:
you guys watch basketball. How many times in the last 5 years have you seen that passing lane and position under the rim available? Have you seen that bounce pass to the lane at the end of a game or even halftime before? Or even just during a game? Out of all the plays, you are telling me a coach of CM's caliber called a play that the best of the best don't have in the playbook?
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I think it worked as well as it could've, it worked how you draw it up, but that rarely happens.

I think the play was for Stokes all the way, I'm guessing most of the time that play results in the defender holding his position and forcing a tough turnaround or hook shot as time expires....not a point blank layup.

If the defender fronts a guy like stokes, stokes just pushes him towards the inbounder for the easy lob over his head right to the rim.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Unlike his predecessor I've not seen Martin ever lie, so no, I don't think he's lying in this instance either.

That'd be pretty F'd up to do to your players, the whole locker room knowing that wasn't the play and they bailed you out yet you go and say that was the drawn up play?
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Also "unlike his predecessor", he's never taken a team to the tourney.

You take constant cheap shots at CBP, such as this one, and then ask "wtf" when people ask why you hate the guy so much. Comical.
 
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lostsheep said:
Also "unlike his predecessor", he's never taken a team to the tourney.

You take constant cheap shots at CBP, such as this one, and then ask "wtf" when people ask why you hate the guy so much. Comical.
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What I stated was true no?

I don't live in some fantasy world where the Pear $hit never happened, it's reality and I don't act like it never did. I'm sorry if that offends you.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
What I stated was true no?

I don't live in some fantasy world where the Pear $hit never happened, it's reality and I don't act like it never did. I'm sorry if that offends you.
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True that Pearl lied? Sure. It's also true that everyone else in the world lies at some point, so don't take the "CCM is a better guy than CBP" angle.

If we were looking for a Sunday School teacher, then I would be more concerned...however, we're looking for a coach who can reinvigorate this program and produce NCAA tourney teams on a consistent basis.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Just watched the replay.

Stokes' guy was somewhat fronting him, more of a face guard, stokes set a half pick and the guy cheated off for a split second. As soon as he did Stokes leveled him when he came back to recover pinning him under the basket.

I'm sure that was complete improv

Edit: it was McRae running a V cut fwiw, he came down to the paint, stokes set the screen then he went back up top.
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So you draw a play that takes 4 sec to develop and bank on Stokes' man cheating off for just enough time? This is why no one believes that was the original intention. If the play doesn't work he's f@$@%d. Are you saying your boy is really that incompetent and/or stubborn?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Unlike his predecessor I've not seen Martin ever lie, so no, I don't think he's lying in this instance either.

That'd be pretty F'd up to do to your players, the whole locker room knowing that wasn't the play and they bailed you out yet you go and say that was the drawn up play?
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Remember, we're talking about Cuonzo Martin here.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Just watched the replay.

Stokes' guy was somewhat fronting him, more of a face guard, stokes set a half pick and the guy cheated off for a split second. As soon as he did Stokes leveled him when he came back to recover pinning him under the basket.

I'm sure that was complete improv

Edit: it was McRae running a V cut fwiw, he came down to the paint, stokes set the screen then he went back up top.
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You literally posted twice in a 4 min span while managing to watch the replay. Do you just sit next to your tv with the DVR ready to go in case your "analysis" is needed? Your life must be horribly pathetic.
 
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#146
nothing like a one option play where the success is based on 2 defensive lapses and takes almost 5 seconds. I guess CM told JRich to almost walk as well when he thought about throwing it to Barton but saw Stokes get position with the guy guarding the ball well out of position and slung him an athletic one armed, side arm bounce pass with his man pinned on the baseline.
 
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lostsheep said:
True that Pearl lied? Sure. It's also true that everyone else in the world lies at some point, so don't take the "CCM is a better guy than CBP" angle.

If we were looking for a Sunday School teacher, then I would be more concerned...however, we're looking for a coach who can reinvigorate this program and produce NCAA tourney teams on a consistent basis.
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Nobodies arguing that.

I'm simply saying I don't see Martin blatantly lying about a final play as very likely.

Jmo though
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
So you draw a play that takes 4 sec to develop and bank on Stokes' man cheating off for just enough time? This is why no one believes that was the original intention. If the play doesn't work he's f@$@%d. Are you saying your boy is really that incompetent and/or stubborn?
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Yes actually
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Nobodies arguing that.

I'm simply saying I don't see Martin blatantly lying about a final play as very likely.

Jmo though
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go back and read his quote. He says nothing about him drawing up the play to Stokes there. As a matter of fact, he doesn't even finish completing a sentence when mentioning Stokes one on one. He knows Stokes made the play and jrich made a great pass. That's why he pointed it out.
 
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