UT basketball makes Forbes top 20

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papatomany said:
And again I'll say: this year's record (you know, the entire season) is better than 2 of Pearl's 3 post-Lofton years.
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So what about Lofton. At least he got production and consistency out of his players. Consider Maymon Stokes and Mcraes ceiling. Where should we ideally be right now? Higher than we are. Agree or disagree?
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Florida are the only fanbases I think truly care about basketball, and Florida only because they're good.

I used to put Vandy on that list but they haven't displayed a passion for basketball since Eddie Fogler was there over 20 years ago. And LSU has history and can care but they haven't in a good while and didn't really even seem to get that passionate when they made the Final Four in 2006 and just won the SEC 5 years ago.

The rest seem like they couldn't care less.
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Florida does not have a strong following. Just bandwagon fans.
 
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papatomany said:
And again I'll say: this year's record (you know, the entire season) is better than 2 of Pearl's 3 post-Lofton years.
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Yes and one of those years Auburn was 21-10 and 10-6 in the SEC but a marginal record isn't the best indicator of a program's health. Auburn fell apart after that.

Pearl's teams played better schedules every year than this one, beat scads of teams that actually made the NCAA tourney and was easily in the tournament each season.

Look at it this way, a wise poster on another site today pointed out that 112 teams won 20+ games this year.

Winning 20/21 games, beating almost no one of note and scraping into the tournament isn't as impressive as any of Pearl's years individually.

With all of that said, it has nothing at all to do with the post of mine that you quoted. I never made mention of Pearl at all. I am talking about the next 3-4 years of the program.
 
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golfballs said:
Um, you are grasping. In the end, it's not his recruiting classes that really matter, it's his record. You can prognosticate all you want, but like I posted earlier, his actual record isn't one that a program like Tennessee fires someone for after 3 years.
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I'm not the one grasping, the Jimmies and Jo's matter a whole bunch when the x's and o's are questionable.

Recruiting is probably 50% of the job in college sports. You have to be exceptional as a head coach to be able to overcome the lack of quality players in major conference basketball.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Yes and one of those years Auburn was 21-10 and 10-6 in the SEC but a marginal record isn't the best indicator of a program's health. Auburn fell apart after that.

Pearl's teams played better schedules every year than this one, beat scads of teams that actually made the NCAA tourney and was easily in the tournament each season.

Look at it this way, a wise poster on another site today pointed out that 112 teams won 20+ games this year.

Winning 20/21 games, beating almost no one of note and scraping into the tournament isn't as impressive as any of Pearl's years individually.

With all of that said, it has nothing at all to do with the post of mine that you quoted. I never made mention of Pearl at all. I am talking about the next 3-4 years of the program.
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That's a false statement
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I'm not the one grasping, the Jimmies and Jo's matter a whole bunch when the x's and o's are questionable.

Recruiting is probably 50% of the job in college sports. You have to be exceptional as a head coach to be able to overcome the lack of quality players in major conference basketball.
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His recruiting has been good enough to make the dance in year 3 apparently
 
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Well this thread went downhill. Sad how even something that is positive can be dragged down into the mud by people with an agenda.
 
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zansdad said:
So more scoring comes from his own recruits but that's somehow negative in your world?

Smh
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40% of the scoring comes from 2 players that are not his recruits. Are some of you so delusional that you think you can remove Jordan and Maymon from this team and we'd be in the NCAA tournament?
 
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VolArmy74 said:
40% of the scoring comes from 2 players that are not his recruits. Are some of you so delusional that you think you can remove Jordan and Maymon from this team and we'd be in the NCAA tournament?
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So, they're not his recruits. Your argument might have weight if a large majority of the scoring came from pre-Cuonzo guys but it doesn't. Yes McRae and Maymon are important to this years team. However This team doesn't make the tourney without Stokes and Richardson and they are both Martin recruits. You seem to simply pick out only the facts that let you worship Pearl.
 
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zansdad said:
Well this thread went downhill. Sad how even something that is positive can be dragged down into the mud by people with an agenda.
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The only agenda is UT winning on the upswing instead of a half baked play in game. OTH, it is what it is. Our chances of BBB are over. Meh, at least we have Butch who surrounds himself with excitement, which brings the recruits, which will pay off down the road. As for basketball, at least we have,,,,,meh.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Florida are the only fanbases I think truly care about basketball, and Florida only because they're good.

I used to put Vandy on that list but they haven't displayed a passion for basketball since Eddie Fogler was there over 20 years ago. And LSU has history and can care but they haven't in a good while and didn't really even seem to get that passionate when they made the Final Four in 2006 and just won the SEC 5 years ago.

The rest seem like they couldn't care less.
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Since Florida has 50,000 students & the #1 ranked team in the nation & usually doesn't sell out their little 12,000 seat gym, I don't think they should be included in the schools that care
 
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KoachKletus said:
The only agenda is UT winning on the upswing instead of a half baked play in game. OTH, it is what it is. Our chances of BBB are over. Meh, at least we have Butch who surrounds himself with excitement, which brings the recruits, which will pay off down the road. As for basketball, at least we have,,,,,meh.
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You team is in the tourney and you're "meh" but you don't have an agenda? Gotcha
 
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zansdad said:
So, they're not his recruits. Your argument might have weight if a large majority of the scoring came from pre-Cuonzo guys but it doesn't. Yes McRae and Maymon are important to this years team. However This team doesn't make the tourney without Stokes and Richardson and they are both Martin recruits. You seem to simply pick out only the facts that let you worship Pearl.
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Hmmm it was BTO that said his recruiting was good enough to get the Vols into the NCAA this year. I just pointed out that 40% of the points on this years team came from Pearl recruits and that we wouldn't sniff the NCAA this year without Jordan and Maymon.

I never said one thing about whether we'd make the tournament without Stokes and Josh (we wouldn't).

Next season we'll know for sure.

Also, I don't worship Pearl, I love Tennessee and want to have a good and healthy program. No more, no less.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Hmmm it was BTO that said his recruiting was good enough to get the Vols into the NCAA this year. I just pointed out that 40% of the points on this years team came from Pearl recruits and that we wouldn't sniff the NCAA this year without Jordan and Maymon.

I never said one thing about whether we'd make the tournament without Stokes and Josh (we wouldn't).

Next season we'll know for sure.

Also, I don't worship Pearl, I love Tennessee and want to have a good and healthy program. No more, no less.
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Well next year we replace Maymon with his clone, so that should be a wash. Right?
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Hmmm it was BTO that said his recruiting was good enough to get the Vols into the NCAA this year. I just pointed out that 40% of the points on this years team came from Pearl recruits and that we wouldn't sniff the NCAA this year without Jordan and Maymon.

I never said one thing about whether we'd make the tournament without Stokes and Josh (we wouldn't).

Next season we'll know for sure.

Also, I don't worship Pearl, I love Tennessee and want to have a good and healthy program. No more, no less.
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Well I don't agree with BTO if he said that. I also didn't see where you guys talked about that. I was just commenting on the 40% of scoring thing you like to harp on as it regards to next years team.

As far as a good healthy program goes, if you truly wanted that you would know that Pearl could never come back. The man can coach but in no way could you describe his program as healthy. Gun arrests, kids kicked off or suspended for drug use, lying to the NCAA, lying to media outlets, accusations of inappropriate contact with players from other teams, trying to coerce/extort recruit parents and those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Well next year we replace Maymon with his clone, so that should be a wash. Right?
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In freshman form, I know you love being snarky, but I've watched Turman play multiple times in person. In the games I've saw he plays a lot like Maymon or Stokes. Hard working, put back baskets, grind it out big body. He's not a high flyer like Cofer that dunks everything in sight.

You'll see when he gets here but I'm sure you'll lol it up and post some pictures of a 6'9 guy dunking it in the mean time.
 
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