“climate emergency”

[NorthDallas40]

Lol. "I agree consensus science is not science, but the consensus is this science is correct".

Omg. You have to be doing this for sh$ts and giggles.

LMAO yep that’s what he said!

 

[allvol123]

LMAO yep that’s what he said!

I always have to remind myself, he is 7%.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I always have to remind myself, he is 7%.

It’s “science”! Even though that’s not what the data actually said.

 

[Orangeburst]

Sure, philosophically I agree there is no such thing as consensus science, but that is a semantics position in this case. The fact is, depending on how you word a poll, people in the relevant science fields will agree somewhere at between 90% and 98% clip that climate change is real and is caused or exasperated by man.

OK. Why trade carbon credits? If it is so monumental, why allow developing nations...laughably China, the ability to be less stringent than other nations for years to come, all with predictions that we cross the precipice 500 days or 12 years away?

 

[OHvol40]

So when is the world going to end?

Probably when it gets swallowed by the sun. Odd question.

 

[OHvol40]

OK. Why trade carbon credits? If it is so monumental, why allow developing nations...laughably China, the ability to be less stringent than other nations for years to come, all with predictions that we cross the precipice 500 days or 12 years away?

That’s a policy issue, which is obviously separate from science issues. Scientists are experts at examination and analyzing information. They aren’t experts at creating propaganda around a message. That skill set has been perfected by the skeptics and deniers unfortunately.

 

[McDad]

That’s a policy issue, which is obviously separate from science issues. Scientists are experts at examination and analyzing information. They aren’t experts at creating propaganda around a message. That skill set has been perfected by the skeptics and deniers unfortunately.

At one time the Sahara was green and lush. There are rocks in central park with grooves carved by a glacier. Climate changes. Been doing before man. Will do it after man is gone.
You wanna do your part to help? Live like an Amish person and spend your life planting all the trees you can.

 

[OHvol40]

At one time the Sahara was green and lush. There are rocks in central park with grooves carved by a glacier. Climate changes. Been doing before man. Will do it after man is gone.
You wanna do your part to help? Live like an Amish person and spend your life planting all the trees you can.

Sounds like sour grapes. Yes, the climate changes naturally, that’s not the problem. The rate and the “artificial” nature of the change is the issue.

I’ve been on rumspringa for roughly 22 years. No turning back now.

 

[McDad]

Sounds like sour grapes. Yes, the climate changes naturally, that’s not the problem. The rate and the “artificial” nature of the change is the issue.

I’ve been on rumspringa for roughly 22 years. No turning back now.

Can't be sour grapes. Nothing to be sour about.

Not too much to ask the congregation of the church of climatology to live and practice what they want for everyone. Give up your comfort, cars, electronics. Set the example a true believer would.

 

[Orangeburst]

That’s a policy issue, which is obviously separate from science issues. Scientists are experts at examination and analyzing information. They aren’t experts at creating propaganda around a message. That skill set has been perfected by the skeptics and deniers unfortunately.

IOW it does not matter then as international uniform policy is the only thing that save us.

In the last Ice Age when landborn glaciers were prevalent, then how did land mass become unsubmerged if at all?
Many scientists are claiming an oncoming new Ice Age yet some claim we are still in one.



Mother nature doing her thing, yet man thinks he can control it.

Global Warming Hoax? Scientists Claim "Mini Ice Age" to Occur in 2030 — Beyond Science (squarespace.com)

 

[OHvol40]

Can't be sour grapes. Nothing to be sour about.

Not too much to ask the congregation of the church of climatology to live and practice what they want for everyone. Give up your comfort, cars, electronics. Set the example a true believer would.

It’s easy to call it “the church of *enter conservative gripe here*” and then come up with something snarky or clever. The hard thing to do is actually substantively provide a counterpoint if you disagree, or at least raise thoughtful questions. That’s why we see much more of the former here rather than the later... easy way out.

 

[OHvol40]

IOW it does not matter then as international uniform policy is the only thing that save us.

In the last Ice Age when landborn glaciers were prevalent, then how did land mass become unsubmerged if at all?
Many scientists are claiming an oncoming new Ice Age yet some claim we are still in one.

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Mother nature doing her thing, yet man thinks he can control it.

Global Warming Hoax? Scientists Claim "Mini Ice Age" to Occur in 2030 — Beyond Science (squarespace.com)

Mother Nature has not pushed current CO2 concentration to 420 ppm.

 

[McDad]

It’s easy to call it “the church of *enter conservative gripe here*” and then come up with something snarky or clever. The hard thing to do is actually substantively provide a counterpoint if you disagree, or at least raise thoughtful questions. That’s why we see much more of the former here rather than the later... easy way out.

Here's your counterpoint. More attention will I pay to what you do; not what you say.

Yall are so concerned with anthropomorphic climate change. And yet the universal consensus of those concerned is you don't change your lifestyle. You don't spend all your free time planting trees. Talk all you want. Doesn't make a bit of difference to me. When your walk matches your talk, then you'll have my attention.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Probably when it gets swallowed by the sun. Odd question.

Nothing odd about it. You have been spouting off about a climate disaster. However, I will try to be more precise for you. What will the coming climate disaster look like? When will it occur? What definable steps can be taken to prevent it besides taxing the hell out of Americans and giving money to the rest of the world?

I am trying to find someone who professes to believe this crap to make a wager with.

 

[OHvol40]

Here's your counterpoint. More attention will I pay to what you do not what you say.

Yall are so concerned with anthropomorphic climate change. And yet the universal consensus of those concerned is you don't change your lifestyle. You don't spend all your free time planting trees. Talk all you want. Doesn't make a bit of difference to me. When your walk matches your talk, then you'll have my attention.

I just planted 150 white pine, oak, and poplar last month. Planted an apple orchard last year. My house is solar. My commuter car gets 42 mpg. My family has changed eating habits, strictly buying local meat and produce. I’m no climate saint, but I’ve made conscious changes.

How much does this matter when I still have 3 “super polluter” coal fired plants operating within 40 miles of my house?

 

[NorthDallas40]

I just planted 150 white pine, oak, and poplar last month. Planted an apple orchard last year. My house is solar. My commuter car gets 42 mpg. My family has changed eating habits, strictly buying local meat and produce. I’m no climate saint, but I’ve made conscious changes.

How much does this matter when I still have 3 “super polluter” coal fired plants operating within 40 miles of my house?

Now extrapolate that to the US and China and India.

 

[McDad]

I just planted 150 white pine, oak, and poplar last month. Planted an apple orchard last year. My house is solar. My commuter car gets 42 mpg. My family has changed eating habits, strictly buying local meat and produce. I’m no climate saint, but I’ve made conscious changes.

How much does this matter when I still have 3 “super polluter” coal fired plants operating within 40 miles of my house?

I am sure you did. You've been known to exaggerate. I simply don't believe you.

But sell your snake oil all you can. Live and let live.

 

[OHvol40]

Nothing odd about it. You have been spouting off about a climate disaster. However, I will try to be more precise for you. What will the coming climate disaster look like? When will it occur? What definable steps can be taken to prevent it besides taxing the hell out of Americans and giving money to the rest of the world?

I am trying to find someone who professes to believe this crap to make a wager with.

You’re in it friend. I invite you to look up how much cities like Miami are having to spend on infrastructure to prevent sunny day flooding. How many of your tax dollars is the DOD spending in preparation to move infrastructure away from coasts? Ask farmers that used to be east of the US continental dry line and are now west of it how they’ve been affected. It’s real for many people already.

Pretending that someone has to be a soothsayer for you to acknowledge the information put in front of your face is laughable.

 

[OHvol40]

I am sure you did. You've been known to exaggerate. I simply don't believe you.

But sell your snake oil all you can. Live and let live.

You don’t have to believe me, I don’t do those things to impress you. You asked what I do personally and I told you. I can give you the google earth coordinates to my farm in Ohio if you’re really worried about it... otherwise, don’t pretend that you do nothing because other people need to do it first.

 

[McDad]

You don’t have to believe me, I don’t do those things to impress you. You asked what I do personally and I told you. I can give you the google earth coordinates to my farm in Ohio if you’re really worried about it... otherwise, don’t pretend that you do nothing because other people need to do it first.

Perhaps you do. Lead the way. Recruit the rest of your cult to do the same. Help them be the change they want to see in the world. If you can do it, surely they can too.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You don’t have to believe me, I don’t do those things to impress you. You asked what I do personally and I told you. I can give you the google earth coordinates to my farm in Ohio if you’re really worried about it... otherwise, don’t pretend that you do nothing because other people need to do it first.

I’m sure you’re primarily responsible for this then right?

Yes, The U.S. Leads All Countries In Reducing Carbon Emissions

You’re already living in the country that is leading in carbon emissions reductions. But you be your zealous self I guess.

And this little nugget probably really pisses off the green energy zealots. Yes, we led the way while still maintaining petroleum powered thermal power generation capacity. In fact natural gas power plants were the enabler. Womp womp.

Finally, one item left unsaid was the reason U.S. emissions have declined. It is no coincidence that U.S. emissions started to decline in 2005. That was the year U.S. shale gas production began a decade-long growth spurt.

Renewables also contributed, but the vast majority of the emissions decline in the U.S. can be attributed directly to natural gas substituting for coal in the power sector. (See Don’t Blame Renewable Energy For Dying U.S. Coal Industryfor a deeper dive on this topic).

 

[OHvol40]

I’m sure you’re primarily responsible for this then right?

Yes, The U.S. Leads All Countries In Reducing Carbon Emissions

You’re already living in the country that is leading in carbon emissions reductions. But you be your zealous self I guess.

And this little nugget probably really pisses off the green energy zealots. Yes, we led the way while still maintaining petroleum powered thermal power generation capacity. In fact natural gas power plants were the enabler. Womp womp.

I’ve been a big proponent of natural gas replacing coal as a transition fuel source. Here’s the problem: what % of coal fired plants have been converted to or replaced by natural gas? Very little is my understanding... so that quote doesn’t make much sense to me.

Edit: now that I’m reading up on it, there seems to be momentum behind the NG movement. I’ll be glad to see the coal fired plants in my area converted or retired.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I’ve been a big proponent of natural gas replacing coal as a transition fuel source. Here’s the problem: what % of coal fired plants have been converted to or replaced by natural gas? Very little is my understanding... so that quote doesn’t make much sense to me.

And you’d be wrong again. Natural gas is our dominant source of power generation capability. And several of us have posted this fact multiple times already and I know you saw it.

Plus that means as we replace more coal plants with natural gas our carbon emissions continue to decline and we continue to lead the way!

 

[OHvol40]

And you’d be wrong again. Natural gas is our dominant source of power generation capability. And several of us have posted this fact multiple times already and I know you saw it.

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No I didn’t see it. See my edit to previous post ^

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Hmmm I wonder why nobody is taking about all the masks that are winding up in the oceans? I guess the oceans don’t really have anything to do with the climate.

Somewhere Al Gore and Michael Moore are spooning each other to the thought of another “climate change” debacle.