'10 TN ATH Julian Burton

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vols2605 said:
I did not realize that he had an offer from LA Tech. Obviously Dooley knows about him. Really, RB, DB, WR, 3rd punter, 4.4 forty. Diamond in the rough. I do not know anything, I just like this guy. I guess that we will see.
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It is something to keep an eye on I think as we head into signing week.

Say we are a 4-5 days out from NSD and we think we are going to finish up with 23 or 24 guys. Do you take a kid like Burton who is versatile and could be a hidden gem or do you not take the risk and roll the scholarship over to next year? FTR, I would probably lean towards that he would be worth the gamble to give us DB depth in the future.

Anyone remember the story on this kid (I should, but can't at the moment)? I feel is something along the lines on the M. Dixon story, in that he has not been playing that long or such.
 
#27
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Since we have staff members from La Tech & MeMpho, this kid might get a real look. Its up to the coaches to evaluate & see if he's SEC material.
Imo, we could use all the bodies we can get. Especially athletes! All some kids need, is a chance to prove themselves worthy.
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GoVols2003 said:
It is something to keep an eye on I think as we head into signing week.

Say we are a 4-5 days out from NSD and we think we are going to finish up with 23 or 24 guys. Do you take a kid like Burton who is versatile and could be a hidden gem or do you not take the risk and roll the scholarship over to next year? FTR, I would probably lean towards that he would be worth the gamble to give us DB depth in the future.

Anyone remember the story on this kid (I should, but can't at the moment)? I feel is something along the lines on the M. Dixon story, in that he has not been playing that long or such.
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Right now, I think even with taking a full class, we're still going to be under the scholarship limit. We can afford to grab some diamonds in the rough, and try to put up that fence around the state that Kiffin never really got around to doing. I would be okay with filling the roster with TN players if we can't land the big names we have. And we talk a lot about well, if we don't sign a full class, we can always backcount some. And that's true...but we can only backcount 5 every year I think. Maybe 6, I'm not sure. But we can't backcount that many, so we need to do what we can with what we can get.
 
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I have a theory that just based on pure demographics there are enough "diamonds in the rough" in Tennessee to build a championship program. The quality of youth and HS football isn't where it should be but I'm not sold on the notion there's a genetic curse on the whole state. There have to be athletes with the raw talent to develop into great players.

This kid is probably a project... but then again that could describe the whole Vol football program right now. I'd say taking several of these instate kids is worth the risk. Tennessee HS football is probably going to catch up in a few years. It would be nice if UT had a "fence" built by then.
 
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sjt18 said:
I have a theory that just based on pure demographics there are enough "diamonds in the rough" in Tennessee to build a championship program. The quality of youth and HS football isn't where it should be but I'm not sold on the notion there's a genetic curse on the whole state. There have to be athletes with the raw talent to develop into great players.

This kid is probably a project... but then again that could describe the whole Vol football program right now. I'd say taking several of these instate kids is worth the risk. Tennessee HS football is probably going to catch up in a few years. It would be nice if UT had a "fence" built by then.
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Yeah they call it NAIA...
 
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cascade11 said:
Yeah they call it NAIA...
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Not really. Va Tech does it. Wisconsin does it. Nebraska did it for years. Look at the Ole Miss roster and you'll find a bunch of 2* and 3* players that were found. Auburn's best years were built on finding 2* and 3* players (AL kids Bama turned their noses up at) that became great players.

Unless you are a Jimmy the Greek disciple... the athletes have to be there.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not really. Va Tech does it. Wisconsin does it. Nebraska did it for years. Look at the Ole Miss roster and you'll find a bunch of 2* and 3* players that were found. Auburn's best years were built on finding 2* and 3* players (AL kids Bama turned their noses up at) that became great players.

Unless you are a Jimmy the Greek disciple... the athletes have to be there.
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Other than Nebraska, show me the National Championships Va Tech, Wisconsin, and Ole Miss have won. Exactly.

Not hating, but we can't have a consistently good, championship competing program by picking kids out of state. I think we should have some in-state kids every year, but this program's hey-day was built on out of state recruiting. I coach HS football in this state and I am saying this. Memphis could be really good taking the best players from the state, Tennessee can't.
 
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I've said for awhile that UT's future depends on building pipelines into Upstate SC and Georgia. The quality of football in both states is exceptional and recruits are numerous.

All I'm saying is that there have to be athletes roughly proportionate to Tn's 6.5 million people after accounting for demographics. Just isolating the black population for instance... It doesn't make sense that GA with about 1.5 times Tn's black population (IIRC) would produce 5 or 6 times the number of black athletes capable of being blue chip recruits. Likewise for Tn's 5 million whites/others. There should be a roughly proportionate number of kids athletically gifted enough to play at the highest college levels... but that isn't reflected in the recruiting rankings or perhaps the results.

I agree that UT can't win championships on instate talent alone. However I also don't believe that they'll be able to consistently get all of the talent they need competing nationally against great home state options unless they augment that by finding these Tennessee "diamonds in the rough". Maybe Revis, Hood, and Hughes will be evidence for this over the next couple of years?
 
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sjt18 said:
I've said for awhile that UT's future depends on building pipelines into Upstate SC and Georgia. The quality of football in both states is exceptional and recruits are numerous.

All I'm saying is that there have to be athletes roughly proportionate to Tn's 6.5 million people after accounting for demographics. Just isolating the black population for instance... It doesn't make sense that GA with about 1.5 times Tn's black population (IIRC) would produce 5 or 6 times the number of black athletes capable of being blue chip recruits. Likewise for Tn's 5 million whites/others. There should be a roughly proportionate number of kids athletically gifted enough to play at the highest college levels... but that isn't reflected in the recruiting rankings or perhaps the results.

I agree that UT can't win championships on instate talent alone. However I also don't believe that they'll be able to consistently get all of the talent they need competing nationally against great home state options unless they augment that by finding these Tennessee "diamonds in the rough". Maybe Revis, Hood, and Hughes will be evidence for this over the next couple of years?
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It doesn't make sense, but the numbers do not lie. I think some talent gets un-noticed in TN because of its reputation (Cobb), but I think the opinion is warranted. Look at the NFL, the state doesn't have many players compared to other states. I do not know why it is that way, but it is. Georgia I think is the weirdest thing, because its level of play is huge. I think they take high school football more seriously, but it might just be because the talent level is higher. It would be nice to pull kids in-state and hope they become studs, but for every Randall Cobb, there is a Todd Cox.
 
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I think part of it is the quality of youth football. Part is the organization and size of Tn's HS's. SC overcomes this by having a super 16 or something like that made up of the 16 largest 4a schools in the state to keep competition at a high level. And possibly... a part might be that NFL capable athletes only get recruited to small schools where their talent is never developed so we never know what their potential would have been.

Maybe a poor example but I saw Carl Pickens play in HS. He became a great Vol and Pro... and he wasn't even the best player I saw from Murphy and would have been the 3rd best from that area. A couple of years before Carl, Murphy had a kid that ran for over 400 yards in a single game named Tony Colbert. Outstanding speed/size/quickness... everything you'd want. He flew under the radar and eventually played a couple of years in the Cub's farm system after not getting big time college offers. Between the two, Murphy had a coaching change and ended up being more competitive. Carl's team won the state. One guy got noticed. One guy didn't.

A white guy from Hayesville, NC was better than them both. At 5'10" 190 or so... he could bench over 400 lbs and ran a legit 4.4 40. Again a small school kid that got over looked. Played a couple of years at Western Carolina then quit football.
 
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I played High School Football in Georgia and I went to school at UT(not as an athlete.) I was average in high school but I would dominate on the UT intramural field. The reality is that in Georgia, especially around metro Atlanta, the talent and competition levels are light-years beyond most anything in Tennessee(other than Memphis maybe). The primary reason for this ,excluding population numbers, is that there are many more youth athletic organizations and greater support from the community. Because of this more kids are exposed to sports younger which equates to a larger talent pool. When I was a senior in high school my team had 5 div 1 players and we only won 4 games. If that team was in Tennessee it might have been a different story.
 
#38
#38
What does this have to do with Burton? DID you watch the game? Maryville had no answer for him. Our Best (TN) could not contain him. He is one of our own. I would like to have him.
 
#39
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Julian Burton was by far the best player Maryville played against this past season.
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#40
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Having gone to White station through the 0 for 50 in the early nineties, I am very proud of the state title. Maryville's coach and team are legendary and Julian Burton beat he hell out of them. La tech and Memphis where interested in him so I am sure that he current staff knows about him. Since we are recruiting a lot of three stars right now surely he will be considered. I hope that we offer him.
 
#41
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ehhh pass. we need OL and we need to focus on that and any elite players we can get ALaH christian jones dorsey chaz green. and the make sure we have a solid OL class stone etc. we have enough average ath. we dont need anymore. we need to try to go balls to the wall for some playmakers.
 
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