12 team playoff

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Cartervol said:
I look for Missouri to take a step back. They caught lightning in a bottle. They'll do good to win 9.
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Agreed. 2023 Mizzou was much like 2022 Tennessee. Loaded with talent and got some lucky breaks along the way. Like us, there will be a drop off in talent next year and they'll like drop 4 games.
 
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Tnman1 said:
Cody Schrader is done at Missouri so they will drop off. Ole Miss is still trending up, as well as Tennessee, it appears. Georgia will be there. Who knows what will happen with Saban and the gumps. I think LSU won't get it done with Brian Kelly.
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Absolutely. He's a used car salesman who has gotten lucky by coaching for a school in a recruiting hotbed. Eventually, that luck will run out.
 
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Cartervol said:
Bunch of seniors. Missouri doesn't reload like a top 10 team. Everyone will figure that out next year.
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By know means am I saying we are a Lock for the Playoffs next year or even to win 9 games, but we have a Very Favorable schedule and Return our QB, RT/RG/OC and poached OU best OL to play LT. We return our TE and all of our WR. And we Brought in a good RB from Georgia St. Marcus Carroll. So offensively we hardly lose anything at all.

Defensively We Return One Starting DE One DT, Our Starting MLB Staring WLB Our Starting Star LB, Starting FS and One Starting CB.... and T. Pride a Starting CB from Clemson.

So Offensively we return 9 starters... not counting the OU stud Green. I think we should be sound on Offense barring injury.

Defensively we Return 7 starters..... and added Pride via the TP. We gotta find fill some holes and increase depth but the cupboard is not totally depleted.

So while what you said is Usually true... Mizzou doesn't reload as the Norm. We tend to develop and build in cycles to get competitive with RS seniors and RS juniors mixed in with some legit regional 4* talent.

We had a Strong Recruiting Class for us ranked in the 20's and most importantly we are ranked as one of the top 10/15 Transfer Portal acquiring teams depending on which site you believe.

The NIL and the Transfer Portal has changed the dynamics a Bit for our Program. That is why I mentioned Green, Pride and Carroll. Unlike in Years past when we would of had to hope a LT/CB/RB on the Roster had Developed and was ready for SEC play, we can spend $$$$ wisely and Plug those critical positions with Legit Talent.

Now let me make this clear I am in no way predicting or willing to bet we Make the Playoffs in 2024 that is still a tall order. But with that said us making the Playoffs is plausible and possible in 2024.
 
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maryvillenative said:
Coach Drink ain't the brightest bulb. Losing Schrader will make a HUGE difference in their '24 results. The only reason Drink signed Schrader was a big donor using leverage to make it happen.
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That's not exactly how it went down... Schrader was not recruited by any D1 schools so he went D11. Nobody had even heard of him. So at a Meet and Great a Donor told Drink he should look at Schrader from Truman St. as a PWO. So Drink did and offered him the Chance to play. He quickly Earned a Schollie. So if Drink is Dumb then so is every other P5 school in the Land and SEC. It wasn't like Drink didn't want him..... as a PWO.
 
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#56
TheFlash1971 said:
Texas, Tenn, Ala, Ga, Oklahoma
BigTen gets Mich, OSU, USC , Washington
That leaves 3 spots one ACC, Big12 and of course a group of 5 sacrificial lamb to the Team who is number 5.
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As it stands now that’s not even possible. It starts with the top 6 rated conference champs so that would be 2 G5 teams since there’s no Pac12 anymore. Add the ACC and Big 12 Champs. I bet the SEC and Big Ten get 3 each from there.
 
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SN-A-C Orange said:
Okay ... I'll bite ....
SEC most likely gets 2 ... at least.
More likely it will be 3.
It would be a stretch to get 4.

Now, if they were taking the absolute best teams in the country ... you could make a case for 6, but that is never going to happen.
Why? Because of rankings! Rankings are based on perception of strength.
FSU was presumed to be a beast, but in fact they were, at best, the 14th best team!
The 9th best team (SEC's 3rd or 4th best team - Missouri) beat up on the darling of the Big Can't Count's 2nd best team!
The 21st best team (Tennessee) smoked the tires in running over the Big Ten runner up!

The Rules for the CFP in 2024 as envisioned by conference presidents and special interests:
1: Conference champions of the Little Sisters of Mercy Conference, Big 12 (Texas), Conference USA (Liberty), Mid-American (Miami OH), Mountain West Conference(Boise State), Sun Belt Conference (Troy), AA Conference (SMU) will all stake a conference title claims to a spot in the field.
2: I call it, the FSU Rule: If you go "undefeated," no matter who you play ... you 'earn' a spot in the CFP. (FSU)
3: The bigger you are the more you want. The Big Can't Count Rule: Will 'automatically' put three Big 18 teams in CFP. (OSU, Michigan, PSU)
4: Name Recognition Rule: This one is Notre Dame's benefactor.
5: Can't exclude them if they are in A Major Market rule: Somebody from the West Coast is getting in no matter what (Washington), that also covers the midwest area(Kansas State), that applies to the Texas/Oklahoma market (Oklahoma State).
6: SEC is to big not to get a token team: (Alabama)

That's already about 15 by my count ...

So, do we want the best 12 teams or not? Do we want to spread the wealth around or not?

According to this : How the 12-team College Football Playoff will work: Teams, schedule, bids
We would have had the following:
Michigan, Washington, Texas, Alabama
No. 12 Liberty at No. 5 Florida State
No. 11 Ole Miss at No. 6 Georgia
No. 10 Penn State at No. 7 Ohio State
No. 9 Missouri at No. 8 Oregon

But that is actually a farce!
Why? Because those rankings were based on 4 teams making the playoffs and voting happening towards that end.
I expect rankings to be much different next year!
You really think Liberty (23) and SMU (24) will be 'voted that low' when there are 12 slots available???
I have acreage for sale ... and I definitely need to talk with you.
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Group of 5 conferences should break away and have their own playoff/championship game. They have no prayer of ever getting to the FBS championship game. It'd still be a great product and I would most certainly watch it! I have absolutely no desire to watch Fresno State get shellacked in round 1 by Georgia. I'd love to watch a Group of 5 playoff with teams like Appy State, MTSU, Western Kentucky, LA Tech, UTEP, etc.
 
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TheGrove68 said:
That's not exactly how it went down... Schrader was not recruited by any D1 schools so he went D11. Nobody had even heard of him. So at a Meet and Great a Donor told Drink he should look at Schrader from Truman St. as a PWO. So Drink did and offered him the Chance to play. He quickly Earned a Schollie. So if Drink is Dumb then so is every other P5 school in the Land and SEC. It wasn't like Drink didn't want him..... as a PWO.
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Sounds pretty close to what I said. I wasn't referring specifically to the Schrader situation when I said he isn't the brightest bulb. Have you ever listened to him? Watched him? Seen him call a game? App State grad here, I'm still shocked he got the Mizzou job. He had ONE season at App and everything was what he inherited from Satterfield.
 
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The only reason I see Mizzou in the playoff is because they play a fairly easy schedule (Bama on the road and OU at home. Auburn could take a step forward, as well) and Brady Cook is returning. But Cody Schrader is declaring for the draft, though, so we'll see how their run game goes.

I've said that 10-2 will probably get you into the playoff. MAYBE 9-3, but there would have to be a lot of chaos.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
As it stands now that’s not even possible. It starts with the top 6 rated conference champs so that would be 2 G5 teams since there’s no Pac12 anymore. Add the ACC and Big 12 Champs. I bet the SEC and Big Ten get 3 each from there.
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Can’t have 2 G5 teams in there , if they do only be a matter of time before they say make your own G5 playoff. Oregon vs Liberty was a great game right. I’m not really sure what the end game is in this realignment but conferences as we know them are pretty much done. Southeast/Southwest = SEC
West/Midwest = Bigten
ACC and even new BiG 12 if they don’t merge into a super conference they will both eventually get the life sucked out of them slowly . 40-45 million a year can’t and won’t hang with the 70-100 million a year the Big and SEC make after 2025/26. WOW best thing about this is the playoff but that should have been incorporated 20 years ago.
 
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TheFlash1971 said:
Can’t have 2 G5 teams in there , if they do only be a matter of time before they say make your own G5 playoff. Oregon vs Liberty was a great game right. I’m not really sure what the end game is in this realignment but conferences as we know them are pretty much done. Southeast/Southwest = SEC
West/Midwest = Bigten
ACC and even new BiG 12 if they don’t merge into a super conference they will both eventually get the life sucked out of them slowly . 40-45 million a year can’t and won’t hang with the 70-100 million a year the Big and SEC make after 2025/26. WOW best thing about this is the playoff but that should have been incorporated 20 years ago.
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Yeah, I bet they’ll change the rules quickly. Surely it will happen before the playoff. At this point I don’t know if they should let the Big 12 have an auto bid either. That conference has a bunch of teams but it’s not nearly as good as the SEC or Big 10 and likely not even as good as the ACC. Utah, Zona, K State and OK State vs FSU, Miami, Clemson and UNC. It’s decently close and both FAR behind the 2 best conferences. Having 2 G5 teams would take too much from the best teams when combined with the Big 12 and ACC. The only answer is to scrap the auto conference champ thing and take the top 12. The best G5 teams easily get into the top 12 but Liberty never sniffed it as they weren’t one of the best we’ve seen like a Boise or Cinci.
 
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It depends upon how other conferences stack up and how the SEC stacks up. 6 spots are going to be taken by conference champs. That leaves only 6. I think the B1G and the SEC get at least one other team in - that is 8. Four spots are left with the following choices.

- Another non P5 conference champ.
- Second place ACC team
- Second play Big 12 team
- Top independent team
- Additional teams from the B1G and SEC conference

I'm thinking 3 SEC teams - the only way there is more is if that fourth SEC team has a better record than other teams represented in the list above.
 
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You all seem to forget that part of the push for a 12-team playoff was so that NO power 5 conference champion would be left out and so that the top non power 5 team would not be left out. The selection of teams is after those have been determined and included. That is when the debate of who is best, most deserving etc. takes place.

If you think that is unfair, then you must also think March Madness is not fair as all conference champs are in.
 
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MountainDooley said:
It’s not going to be as easy to make it in the playoff as some think. The guaranteed spot for a non power 5 school and conference championship game winners will lead to teams being left out that are ranked inside the top 10 some years. Guaranteeing spots prevents the actual 12 best and most deserving teams from getting in and leads to a watered down product.
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The 12-team playoff was never about the most deserving. And to be honest, the most deserving is very subjective. There is no basis for that except a subjective opinion of which team is actually better.

Most thought UGA was better than Bama, yet Bama won. Most thought Bama was better than UM, yet UM won. Most thought Texas was better than Washington, yet Washington won. Most thought OSU was better than Missouri, yet ... well you get the idea. Play the game to prove it.
 
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volfan102455 said:
The 12-team playoff was never about the most deserving. And to be honest, the most deserving is very subjective. There is no basis for that except a subjective opinion of which team is actually better.

Most thought UGA was better than Bama, yet Bama won. Most thought Bama was better than UM, yet UM won. Most thought Texas was better than Washington, yet Washington won. Most thought OSU was better than Missouri, yet ... well you get the idea. Play the game to prove it.
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I think you’re actually arguing that the “best” team is subjective as most deserving is based on resume. Who’s best is based on opinion. Then your opinions apply. Most thought Oregon was better than Washington but UW won and made the playoff.
 
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I think the SEC gets in 3 at most. People are forgetting that there are 6 automatic bids for conference champions. That leaves only 6 at large bids. Teams like 2023 Liberty will get in. It's not like the top 12 teams get in. I don't believe it will be much easier to get in next year than it has been.
 
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volfan102455 said:
The 12-team playoff was never about the most deserving. And to be honest, the most deserving is very subjective. There is no basis for that except a subjective opinion of which team is actually better.

Most thought UGA was better than Bama, yet Bama won. Most thought Bama was better than UM, yet UM won. Most thought Texas was better than Washington, yet Washington won. Most thought OSU was better than Missouri, yet ... well you get the idea. Play the game to prove it.
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Valid point. However, did anyone think that Liberty was better than Oregon? I guess my point was with all the automatic guaranteed spots, it’s still going to be very difficult to get in the playoff. I feel like a lot people think it’s going to be simple. The teams ranked 1-12 in some poll get in, when that’s not the case. Depending on how the conference championship games turn out and what the ranking of the best non power 5 school is, teams ranked 7-12 are basically “bubble teams”.
 
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Volbrando said:
i hope that's the case but their schedule is easier than ours next year
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Yep, Missouri always has the easiest OOC schedule for some reason and they lucked into a very light SEC schedule. They will have QB & Burden back, but Schrader kept getting 1st downs for them and kept Offenses off the field. which really helps your defense numbers stat wise. A stat you can't measure except for T.O.P. and when the next year back on 3rd & 3 gets 2 & you're punting.
 
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Mccage said:
I don’t think we make the playoffs next year either. I’m going off your last 50 posts!
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Scream some more and type some more exclamation points lol. You don’t know me. I’m probaly a bigger Vol fan than you. I just shoot straight and call it like I see it on Tennessee football if you think that’s trolling then I really don’t care cause it’s not.
 
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