'15 TN DB Cameron Ordway

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Pulaskivol52 said:
Does anyone have an info on Cam's grades? rumor down here in P town says he made a 14 on the ACT. Obviously this will not get him into UT.
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With a 14 ACT score (assuming his sum total was 14 * 4) he would need a 2.85 GPA to be a qualifier, which would get him into UT.

There are ridiculously low standards for NCAA qualification.
 
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Madkins8 said:
With a 14 ACT score (assuming his sum total was 14 * 4) he would need a 2.85 GPA to be a qualifier, which would get him into UT.

There are ridiculously low standards for NCAA qualification.
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He could also take it again and would probably add at least 4-6 points to that score easy. Not trying to be a Richard or anything.
 
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Madkins8 said:
With a 14 ACT score (assuming his sum total was 14 * 4) he would need a 2.85 GPA to be a qualifier, which would get him into UT.

There are ridiculously low standards for NCAA qualification.
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14? Wow. He must have been stoned.
 
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The ACT is a bad tool for measuring college readiness. One section is reading comprehension where you read a bunch of different stories and answer questions about them within a time limit. I've been in college 2 years and I've never had to read something in a time period(talking about within a hour) then answer questions about it. And the science part consist of looking at graphs and tables about random stuff and answering dumb questions about them. I got a 17 the first time I took it. Then a 22 the second. I just looked up that the average in 2013 was 20.2 so I think his score will be closer to that.

Everyone I know says they did 3 to 6 points better the second time.(unless they did great the first time) And Hes got alot more chances to take it. I think they offer it once every 3 or 4 months.
 
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white65 said:
The ACT is a bad tool for measuring college readiness. One section is reading comprehension where you read a bunch of different stories and answer questions about them within a time limit. I've been in college 2 years and I've never had to read something in a time period(talking about within a hour) then answer questions about it. And the science part consist of looking at graphs and tables about random stuff and answering dumb questions about them. I got a 17 the first time I took it. Then a 22 the second. I just looked up that the average in 2013 was 20.2 so I think his score will be closer to that.

Everyone I know says they did 3 to 6 points better the second time.(unless they did great the first time) And Hes got alot more chances to take it. I think they offer it once every 3 or 4 months.
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You have been in college 2 years and haven't been assigned a book/article to read and write a paper about? Where do you go to school? I'm a biology major and have still had to write 20+ papers since I have been here (3 years). I see the ACT as a test that shows how well you can think, process information, and solve problems. That's what college consists of right? Writing papers and learning material for tests. Can you read a passage and actually recall what was in it without staring at the page forever? If so, then the ACT shouldn't be difficult. Maybe I'm alone on this, but I always found that my friends who were claiming it wasn't a fair and representative test were also the ones who got low scores. Just my opinion though...
 
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StanfordVol said:
You have been in college 2 years and haven't been assigned a book/article to read and write a paper about? Where do you go to school? I'm a biology major and have still had to write 20+ papers since I have been here (3 years). I see the ACT as a test that shows how well you can think, process information, and solve problems. That's what college consists of right? Writing papers and learning material for tests. Can you read a passage and actually recall what was in it without staring at the page forever? If so, then the ACT shouldn't be difficult. Maybe I'm alone on this, but I always found that my friends who were claiming it wasn't a fair and representative test were also the ones who got low scores. Just my opinion though...
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I think what gets people is the time constraint.
 
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LotteryPick said:
I think what gets people is the time constraint.
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I understand. I mean, I'm not trying to say its the definitive measure of someone's intelligence. Just that many of the skills required for college are required to do well on the test. I wrote 2 timed essays last week and will write 3 on Tuesday in a 2 hour limit. Not trying to rustle any jimmies though. :hi:
 
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white65 said:
The ACT is a bad tool for measuring college readiness. One section is reading comprehension where you read a bunch of different stories and answer questions about them within a time limit. I've been in college 2 years and I've never had to read something in a time period(talking about within a hour) then answer questions about it. And the science part consist of looking at graphs and tables about random stuff and answering dumb questions about them. I got a 17 the first time I took it. Then a 22 the second. I just looked up that the average in 2013 was 20.2 so I think his score will be closer to that.

Everyone I know says they did 3 to 6 points better the second time.(unless they did great the first time) And Hes got alot more chances to take it. I think they offer it once every 3 or 4 months.
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The reading part saved my ass when I took it. The 32 I got on that section counteracted the 16 I got in math.
 
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StanfordVol said:
You have been in college 2 years and haven't been assigned a book/article to read and write a paper about? Where do you go to school? I'm a biology major and have still had to write 20+ papers since I have been here (3 years). I see the ACT as a test that shows how well you can think, process information, and solve problems. That's what college consists of right? Writing papers and learning material for tests. Can you read a passage and actually recall what was in it without staring at the page forever? If so, then the ACT shouldn't be difficult. Maybe I'm alone on this, but I always found that my friends who were claiming it wasn't a fair and representative test were also the ones who got low scores. Just my opinion though...
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Well a lot of Universities are considering taking the SAT and ACT out of application process because research has shown it isn't a fair representation. For the kids who parent can afford to send them to Kaplan courses they do well but for the kids who can't afford that type of preparation it is unfair.
 
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GBOVOLS said:
Well a lot of Universities are considering taking the SAT and ACT out of application process because research has shown it isn't a fair representation. For the kids who parent can afford to send them to Kaplan courses they do well but for the kids who can't afford that type of preparation it is unfair.
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The test is considered to be as valid as an IQ test, I believe. It has always struck me that the campaign to drop standardized testing is led by the people who performed poorly, and were thus limited in their college options because of a poor test score. As for the Kaplan courses, all of that material is available online for free, and all TN public high schools require juniors to take an ACT prep class. However, the test does not account for hard work and dedication throughout a semester or school year, which is far more important IMO. I'm sure Cam will work hard and make it happen. I'll leave everyone alone now.
 
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StanfordVol said:
I understand. I mean, I'm not trying to say its the definitive measure of someone's intelligence. Just that many of the skills required for college are required to do well on the test. I wrote 2 timed essays last week and will write 3 on Tuesday in a 2 hour limit. Not trying to rustle any jimmies though. :hi:
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None rustled, here.

Just from my experience talking to people, I feel like the time of the test (early in the morning) and the time limit is what I hear people complain about.
 
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StanfordVol said:
You have been in college 2 years and haven't been assigned a book/article to read and write a paper about? Where do you go to school? I'm a biology major and have still had to write 20+ papers since I have been here (3 years). I see the ACT as a test that shows how well you can think, process information, and solve problems. That's what college consists of right? Writing papers and learning material for tests. Can you read a passage and actually recall what was in it without staring at the page forever? If so, then the ACT shouldn't be difficult. Maybe I'm alone on this, but I always found that my friends who were claiming it wasn't a fair and representative test were also the ones who got low scores. Just my opinion though...
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It is a measure of intelligence more so than smartness. Now for those of you about to say those are the same things, I reply no. One can make themselves smarter by reading and studying a lot; generally, on a daily level it is better to be smarter than more intelligent as it has more everyday applications. Intelligence is something you are born with; hence IQ (Intelligence Quotient).

One can allude to this by talking about computers. You can fix your computer up with an assortment of nice programs, but it still won't be as naturally fast as a computer with a stronger processer.

I am someone that has been more blessed with intelligence than smartness. I made a 32 on my ACT as a junior, have always scored in standardized testing in the 99+%, and have an IQ of 146. My problem is that a lot of courses don't hold my attention and I'm kinda lazy.
 
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MockingVol said:
It is a measure of intelligence more so than smartness. Now for those of you about to say those are the same things, I reply no. One can make themselves smarter by reading and studying a lot; generally, on a daily level it is better to be smarter than more intelligent as it has more everyday applications. Intelligence is something you are born with; hence IQ (Intelligence Quotient).

One can allude to this by talking about computers. You can fix your computer up with an assortment of nice programs, but it still won't be as naturally fast as a computer with a stronger processer.

I am someone that has been more blessed with intelligence than smartness. I made a 32 on my ACT as a junior, have always scored in standardized testing in the 99+%, and have an IQ of 146. My problem is that a lot of courses don't hold my attention and I'm kinda lazy.
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First of all smartness isn't a word, but if it was, it would probably have the same definition as intelligence. There needs to be a dedicated thread in a different forum for this dumb argument that always gets going when someone scores a 6 on their ACT. Though I do enjoy the idiots that come out of the woodwork saying, "Well I scored an 8 on my ACT and my momma says I am really good smart".
 
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SJAVol32 said:
The four-star junior defensive back from Giles County High School in Pulaski, Tenn., said he doesn’t “really have a top” group of schools at this point, but he admitted that Tennessee, Ole Miss and Auburn are standing out to him because of how frequently he’s hearing from all three teams.

“The teams that are recruiting me the most are the ones, I’d have to say, that are on top,” said Ordway,

But I don’t really have a top (group). If somebody asks, I just say the people that are recruiting me the most.”

Staff wants mom to visit.

But they definitely want to get my mom on campus. She hasn’t been there, so they definitely want to get her on campus. Once she gets on campus, then I think we’ll have something definitely to talk about.”

Says He and Rico McGraw talk about playing together and even tho McGraw is committed to Georgia, he's thinking about other teams.

Has group text with other recruits

“I talk in a group (text) message with him, and there’s a lot of us — Kyle Phillips, Tim Settle out of Virginia, Torrance Gibson, Ricky DeBerry, Drew Richmond. There’s a lot of us, and we’re just always clowning around and talking.”
Phillips, Settle, Gibson, DeBerry and Richmond all are among Tennessee’s top targets in the 2015 class, and Ordway admitted that Tennessee “comes up a lot” during the group discussions.

Wants to make his decision around the time of the season.
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StanfordVol said:
You have been in college 2 years and haven't been assigned a book/article to read and write a paper about? Where do you go to school? I'm a biology major and have still had to write 20+ papers since I have been here (3 years). I see the ACT as a test that shows how well you can think, process information, and solve problems. That's what college consists of right? Writing papers and learning material for tests. Can you read a passage and actually recall what was in it without staring at the page forever? If so, then the ACT shouldn't be difficult. Maybe I'm alone on this, but I always found that my friends who were claiming it wasn't a fair and representative test were also the ones who got low scores. Just my opinion though...
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I think you didn't comprehend my post. lol I was saying I've never had to read something then immediately take a quiz over it. I've always had days or weeks to read and study material I had a test on. I think your right that read comprehension is on the ACT to test if someone can read something and understand what their reading. But having to do it under a time limit just creates stress while reading. And it doesn't correctly show their readiness at all.
 
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GBOVOLS said:
Well a lot of Universities are considering taking the SAT and ACT out of application process because research has shown it isn't a fair representation. For the kids who parent can afford to send them to Kaplan courses they do well but for the kids who can't afford that type of preparation it is unfair.
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Pretty much this. Sure almost all juniors take a little test prep, but one class isn't all tht significant. I went to high school with kids who scored in the 17-18 range and were able to pay to take multiple test prep courses to get their score up to the mid to high 20s. Most of those people struggled in the early phases of college. The ACT can gauge intelligence, but the way people take it these days, it's kind I an obselete test for college preparedness (especially considering how many times you can take the test).

The ACT is mainly about knowing how to answer and having practiced maye 4-6 different type of questions for any given portion of the test. Test prep is just drilling kids on how to answer a nearly identical set of questions with slightly varied details and informing you about test taking strategies (such as blank questions counting against you less than wrong ones, which questions to skip and come back to, etc). If you can afford to take the ACT 2 or 3 times and pay for an extra round of test prep or two, you can make a good enough score to get into most colleges.

Essentially the ACT has become a test that measures how good you are at taking the ACT, not how prepared you are for college.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Pretty much this. Sure almost all juniors take a little test prep, but one class isn't all tht significant. I went to high school with kids who scored in the 17-18 range and were able to pay to take multiple test prep courses to get their score up to the mid to high 20s. Most of those people struggled in the early phases of college. The ACT can gauge intelligence, but the way people take it these days, it's kind I an obselete test for college preparedness (especially considering how many times you can take the test).

The ACT is mainly about knowing how to answer and having practiced maye 4-6 different type of questions for any given portion of the test. Test prep is just drilling kids on how to answer a nearly identical set of questions with slightly varied details and informing you about test taking strategies (such as blank questions counting against you less than wrong ones, which questions to skip and come back to, etc). If you can afford to take the ACT 2 or 3 times and pay for an extra round of test prep or two, you can make a good enough score to get into most colleges.

Essentially the ACT has become a test that measures how good you are at taking the ACT, not how prepared you are for college.
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I think the first time you take it and doing so with no prep will tell you a lot about readiness for college. Taking it with prep not so much.
 
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