16' GA ATH/DB Mecole Hardman

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engineerVOL said:
All good points. As someone said earlier this week, slot WR is the heartbeat of this offense. He could take a near record breaking offense this past year and put us over the top day 1.
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Yup. I've been saying if we get him and can keep Sutton and JRM from leaving early, we can win the national title NEXT YEAR.
 
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Thanks, OV. Based on the coaches' selectiveness in other WR recruits and the blitzkrieg on Mecole, something makes me wonder if this staff is putting their faith in Mecole coming here.
 
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jackcrevol said:
uh. what?

we have to beat Florida, and Bama. We havent done that in 10 years.
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Going into this year, we hadn't won eight games in a season since 2007, or beaten Georgia since 2009. But the funny thing about streaks is that they sometimes come to an end.

This idea that we're never going to beat Florida or Alabama again, or that beating them is some sort of mythical, unreachable milestone of football greatness, is getting old.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
We haven't had this much talent since 98. We've been losing for 10 years to Alabama and Florida based on a lack of elite talent not voodoo magic or bad luck.
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That is nowhere close to true. We have like 4 seniors. Half of our junior class that's left can't play.

We aren't there yet.

98 99 00 01 02 03 04 all had more talent than this team. Probably a couple of others after 04 as well.

It's the most talented team since 2010 I would think although 2012 had some very nice pieces and has quite a few guys in the league. 90% of our talent is from our last 2 classes.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
That is nowhere close to true. We have like 4 seniors. Half of our junior class that's left can't play.

We aren't there yet.

98 99 00 01 02 03 04 all had more talent than this team. Probably a couple of others after 04 as well.

It's the most talented team since 2010 I would think although 2012 had some very nice pieces and has quite a few guys in the league. 90% of our talent is from our last 2 classes.
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2001 was possibly stronger than 98. Put them head to head, and I'm not sure who wins
 
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BigZiti09 said:
That is nowhere close to true. We have like 4 seniors. Half of our junior class that's left can't play.

We aren't there yet.

98 99 00 01 02 03 04 all had more talent than this team. Probably a couple of others after 04 as well.


It's the most talented team since 2010 I would think although 2012 had some very nice pieces and has quite a few guys in the league. 90% of our talent is from our last 2 classes.
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I agree we weren't there yet this year, but we are closer than we've been in at least a decade.

This year's team was still short on experience, but across the board and 2 deep, they definitely looked like the most talented team we've fielded since '04. Im pretty sure It's the first year since at least '04 that we haven't had to rely on walk-ons in the 1 and 2 deep at OL and in the secondary. I didn't want to hear it at the time, but looking back at those rosters from '05-'14, the talent was real spotty and the depth was paper thin.

As solid as those '06 and '07 seasons were, there were times that our secondary just got toasted even worse than Moseley and 1st half of the season Foreman because we'd have 2 all SEC guys back there with 2 other guys that may or may not have been starters in the MAC or Conference USA or something. And they were only getting half a pass rush because the same thing applied to the DL. I don't want to sound like I'm bashing any VFL at all, but it is what it is. Eric Berry is awesome but he couldn't cover everybody.
 
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We didn't like hearing it but Butch wasn't just bull****ting us about taking 6-7 years. It doesn't take that long To win games and make our mark, but to have a complete team with solid talent in each class. I'm expecting big things next year, as long as he doesn't lose his nuts like he did against OK and FL, we should be able to win the east and make it a battle at home against Bama.
But you have to have a roster with talent and we are two years into getting elite talent, and I'm confident this class will end up with some major pieces.
 
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MrVolton said:
I agree we weren't there yet this year, but we are closer than we've been in at least a decade.

This year's team was still short on experience, but across the board and 2 deep, they definitely looked like the most talented team we've fielded since '04. Im pretty sure It's the first year since at least '04 that we haven't had to rely on walk-ons in the 1 and 2 deep at OL and in the secondary. I didn't want to hear it at the time, but looking back at those rosters from '05-'14, the talent was real spotty and the depth was paper thin.

As solid as those '06 and '07 seasons were, there were times that our secondary just got toasted even worse than Moseley and 1st half of the season Foreman because we'd have 2 all SEC guys back there with 2 other guys that may or may not have been starters in the MAC or Conference USA or something. And they were only getting half a pass rush because the same thing applied to the DL. I don't want to sound like I'm bashing any VFL at all, but it is what it is. Eric Berry is awesome but he couldn't cover everybody.
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05-09 teams had talent.

I don't think we relied on walkons from 98 to 08.
 
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VolinArizona said:
2001 had as much or more talent than 1998. The 2004, 2006 teams had more talent.
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2005 probably did too. It was a bad year but the talent was there. I think the 2015 was the most talented since 2012 or possibly 2010. Depending on criteria I guess.

2004 and prior were more talented than this team without a doubt.

05-09 I think had more talent than 2015.

Dooley's best team was 2012 by far. There was a lot of talent that left that year or the year after.

People have vastly overrated the talent on this team. I think that is because we blew those two games and hung with Bama. I would argue that we over performed to be in those situations.

Talent/depth is still not there yet but it is coming.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
2005 probably did too. It was a bad year but the talent was there. I think the 2015 was the most talented since 2012 or possibly 2010. Depending on criteria I guess.

2004 and prior were more talented than this team without a doubt.

05-09 I think had more talent than 2015.

Dooley's best team was 2012 by far. There was a lot of talent that left that year or the year after.

People have vastly overrated the talent on this team. I think that is because we blew those two games and hung with Bama. I would argue that we over performed to be in those situations.

Talent/depth is still not there yet but it is coming.
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If we over performed, that would mean coaching staff is good. Doesn't fit the narrative.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
05-09 teams had talent.

I don't think we relied on walkons from 98 to 08.
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I can't agree with you on the '05-'08 teams having more talent. They may have had some more experienced talent in spots, but I'd bet we've got more guys that'll play in the NFL on our current roster than on any roster during that stretch. As much as it pains me to say it, we actually had more NFL talent on offense during the Dooley years than we did in '07 and '08.

This team could possibly match our win total from '06, and if UF had tanked a little more down the stretch like they did in '07, we possibly could have made it to Atlanta and matched our success from that year too. The difference is we did those things this year while relying very heavily on freshmen and sophomores.

I know Michael Frogg started or was next man up in OL rotation during that '05 to '08 stretch.

I agree the talent to win championships is not there yet. But I think it's maybe the closest it's been since '04. Cut did a lot with what we had in '06 and '07 which were clearly our high water marks from '05 to present, and we are on the verge of matching those high water marks now.

And I like the coaching staff. I think Jones is doing a phenomenal job of digging us out of a decade-long hole. We were one 4th and 14 stop away from potentially playing in Atlanta and a 10 win season with a team full of freshmen, sophomores, and the occasional junior mixed in.
 
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MrVolton said:
I can't agree with you on the '05-'08 teams having more talent. They may have had some more experienced talent in spots, but I'd bet we've got more guys that'll play in the NFL on our current roster than on any roster during that stretch. As much as it pains me to say it, we actually had more NFL talent on offense during the Dooley years than we did in '07 and '08.

This team could possibly match our win total from '06, and if UF had tanked a little more down the stretch like they did in '07, we possibly could have made it to Atlanta and matched our success from that year too. The difference is we did those things this year while relying very heavily on freshmen and sophomores.

I know Michael Frogg started or was next man up in OL rotation during that '05 to '08 stretch.
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When the sophomores on this team are seniors, we will have a complete SEC roster. We are basically playing with 2.5 classes to everyone else's 4.

I know we have some talent on this team but it's mostly sophomores and freshmen. Experience and age is part of the talent/performance equation.

Having guys like Drew Richmond and Darrel Taylor is nice but they can't be part of the "talent" if they are still too young to contribute.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
When the sophomores on this team are seniors, we will have a complete SEC roster. We are basically playing with 2.5 classes to everyone else's 4.

I know we have some talent on this team but it's mostly sophomores and freshmen. Experience and age is part of the talent/performance equation.

Having guys like Drew Richmond and Darrel Taylor is nice but they can't be part of the "talent" if they are still too young to contribute.
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I'm not disagreeing with you on any of that. And I'm only looking at contributors on this '15 team. I just don't think any of those '05 to '08 teams were clearly more talented than this one.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
2005 probably did too. It was a bad year but the talent was there. I think the 2015 was the most talented since 2012 or possibly 2010. Depending on criteria I guess.

2004 and prior were more talented than this team without a doubt.

05-09 I think had more talent than 2015.

Dooley's best team was 2012 by far. There was a lot of talent that left that year or the year after.

People have vastly overrated the talent on this team. I think that is because we blew those two games and hung with Bama. I would argue that we over performed to be in those situations.

Talent/depth is still not there yet but it is coming.
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This post is so spot on. 2015 has a lot of talent but is not close to our heyday.
 
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MrVolton said:
I'm not disagreeing with you on any of that. And I'm only looking at contributors on this '15 team. I just don't think any of those '05 to '08 teams were clearly more talented than this one.
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I do. None of the WRs on this team can lick the cleats of Meachem and Swain right now. A couple have more potential but in terms of talent translating to the field, none can yet.

And that's just WR
 
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VolinArizona said:
I do. None of the WRs on this team can lick the cleats of Meachem and Swain right now. A couple have more potential but in terms of talent translating to the field, none can yet.

And that's just WR
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That '06 WR corps was great and fun to watch. But you could argue that the Dooley's '12 talent had more talent overall on offense.
 
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VolinArizona said:
This post is so spot on. 2015 has a lot of talent but is not close to our heyday.
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'05 to present is far from our heyday. I just think the '15 team beats any of the UT teams from that period 7 out of 10 times. UT teams from that period didn't have the back 7 speed on defense to stop Dobbs, Hurd, Kamara, etc. and that would be the difference, IMO.
 
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