16 team conferences will destroy college football

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VolInFlorida

VolInFlorida

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Certain programs will no longer be able to compete under that rule. Speaking of Boise State, what happens to them under that rule? I don't think the Pac-16 would take them so do they just fold up the football program or something? Will they play at a lower level without access to the "BCS System" or whatever post-season system is in place? The division between the "haves" and "have nots" will grow tremendously under 16 team conferences.

This is all due to that damn Longhorn Network and ESPN...something no one gets on cable and has a reach right now of under one million households.

Also, geographically speaking, this is ridiculous. Anyone that thinks Missouri should be in the SEC or a team like Oklahoma should be considered "Pacific" while in the same conference as schools like USC, UCLA, etc. needs their head examined. It destroys the rivalries and that's what college football is all about.

On a side note - why the hell do we want A&M in the SEC? They're not a powerhouse, they're not Oklahoma or Texas. They have sucked for the better part of two decades and have gotten crushed by SEC competition in recent years. Ok, it brings the Texas market, but Texas is the school that holds that market. A&M has a decent program, but they aren't a powerhouse.

Also, the thought of Stanford vs. Oklahoma State being a conference game is sickening when you're talking about geographics. Those two schools have no business competing in the same conference.

College football and what we all love about it will be destroyed the day we have 16 team conferences and we might have it as early as next year.
 
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VolInFlorida said:
Certain programs will no longer be able to compete under that rule. Speaking of Boise State, what happens to them under that rule? I don't think the Pac-16 would take them so do they just fold up the football program or something? Will they play at a lower level without access to the "BCS System" or whatever post-season system is in place? The division between the "haves" and "have nots" will grow tremendously under 16 team conferences.

This is all due to that damn Longhorn Network and ESPN...something no one gets on cable and has a reach right now of under one million households.

Also, geographically speaking, this is ridiculous. Anyone that thinks Missouri should be in the SEC or a team like Oklahoma should be considered "Pacific" while in the same conference as schools like USC, UCLA, etc. needs their head examined. It destroys the rivalries and that's what college football is all about.

On a side note - why the hell do we want A&M in the SEC? They're not a powerhouse, they're not Oklahoma or Texas. They have sucked for the better part of two decades and have gotten crushed by SEC competition in recent years. Ok, it brings the Texas market, but Texas is the school that holds that market. A&M has a decent program, but they aren't a powerhouse.

Also, the thought of Stanford vs. Oklahoma State being a conference game is sickening when you're talking about geographics. Those two schools have no business competing in the same conference.

College football and what we all love about it will be destroyed the day we have 16 team conferences and we might have it as early as next year.
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This is 100% right on. No one with a fair mind can expect fellow Big-12 teams to stand put while Texas exploits an competitively unfair television contract and all the spoils it brings (i.e. revenues, recruiting, etc.)

Now I don't blame Texas. They are simply taking advantage of what is being offered, but the Big-12 should have anticipated this would have a profound effect upon the make-up of the conference and fought to establish the Big-12 network like the SEC.

In the end, I hope we do not end up with these super conferences. It will negatively alter the greatest sport on the planet for no other reasons than television money...and ESPN
 
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16 team conferences will become a reality. There will likely be 4 of them. If you aren't one of the 64, you will be 2nd tier. Boise State and other schools can control their own destiny. They can get into the PAC (their likely choice) or become an afterthought. It isn't about geography. It is about $$$ and lots of 'em. The media is "demanding" a playoff system. The top schools want to control that rather than allow it to fall to the NCAA. They also want to be able to establish rules that the smaller schools refuse to allow (stipends for players, etc).

2nd tier schools will have their own system. They will likely include several of the BCS schools as well as the top group of the FCS (ie, Montana, App State, etc). It will be a new era in college football. Will it be better? Who knows!
 
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texas screws a & m , baylor, and others and this is the fallout.... i wonder if texas will demand an unfair share of the revenue in the pac 12
 
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If the Big 12 wants to stay alive, they're basically going to have to take Boise. TCU too if they can get them away from the Big East.
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OrangeByBirth said:
16 team conferences will become a reality. There will likely be 4 of them. If you aren't one of the 64, you will be 2nd tier. Boise State and other schools can control their own destiny. They can get into the PAC (their likely choice) or become an afterthought. It isn't about geography. It is about $$$ and lots of 'em. The media is "demanding" a playoff system. The top schools want to control that rather than allow it to fall to the NCAA. They also want to be able to establish rules that the smaller schools refuse to allow (stipends for players, etc).

2nd tier schools will have their own system. They will likely include several of the BCS schools as well as the top group of the FCS (ie, Montana, App State, etc). It will be a new era in college football. Will it be better?

No it will not and almost everyone knows it. Additionally the Boise States of the world don't control their own destiny- who would you rather pick up if you are the Pack 16 - Texas and Oklahoma or Kansas and Boise State?

No one wants to give stipends for players except Spurrier at SC jr. -- The 16 team power conferences will be an unmitigated disaster in my opinion. If the media is driving this then I think it is only in the context of being extremely shortsighted along with the Texas admin. who thought that the rest of the conference would sit idly bye while they took the lions share of the tv revenue.

Texas should have to become an independent like Notre Dame and play and get beat by the directional schools of the world. Oh and ESPN sucks.
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Bring on the SUPER CONFERENCE... 16 or 20 , I don't care, especially if it produces a play-off... The BCS sucks lemons....

As for A&M... I love the tradition they bring, the state of Texas is loaded with talent and they certainly belong in the SEC ( what other schhol in Texas would you take, afer the way the longhorns have done, and their getting into bed with ESPN, do you want them)

I don't know if Mizzlou will be be invited to join the SEC and neither does anyone else, if we have a super cnfernece the addition of Texas A&M, UNC, Duke, Virginia Tech, and Virginia and maybe a Mizzlou or (your choice) would be great, and then perhaps we get a PLAY-OFF
 
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Not sure why nobody is mentioning South Florida as a potential SEC school. They have one of the largest schools in the state (over 47000 students) they have facilities, and financial backing, they have been steadily a top 25 team the last several years....etc. They have only had that program intact for less than 15 years.

I think they are way more dominant and financially feasible than schools like Ky, or Vandy. Plus Fla State and Clemson dont want any of the SEC action because they are in the drivers seats in the weak ACC.

Just makes more sense regionally.
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Ok I do think that the 16 team conferences are on the way. Yes this may very well lead to a playoff system, but what people need to remember is that the NCAA can put a stop to this very easily. How you ask simple do to the BCS what it did to the womens NAIA basketball championship. Force the schools to play in your playoff system if they want to remain an NCAA school.
 
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westnvol said:
ok i do think that the 16 team conferences are on the way. Yes this may very well lead to a playoff system, but what people need to remember is that the ncaa can put a stop to this very easily. How you ask simple do to the bcs what it did to the womens naia basketball championship. Force the schools to play in your playoff system if they want to remain an ncaa school.
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WesTnVol said:
Ok I do think that the 16 team conferences are on the way. Yes this may very well lead to a playoff system, but what people need to remember is that the NCAA can put a stop to this very easily. How you ask simple do to the BCS what it did to the womens NAIA basketball championship. Force the schools to play in your playoff system if they want to remain an NCAA school.
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That sounds simple but the big schools would just say, "Goodbye" and be gone. They loathe the idea that they have to share their fortunes with the Little Sister's School of Blind Cosmetology already.
 
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Two who lose in all this are the fans who actually want to attend a game, and the merchants in the college towns, on whom they depend. Here in Stillwater, we once had literally thousands of Nebraska fans who would drive their RVs down for a game, and spend the day having tail-gating parties. Others would spend $$ staying at motels; all ate at our restaurants and bought gas for the drive home. It was similar when Mizzou, K-State, Texas Tech etc came to town. For nearly every conference rival, it was an easy day's drive to support the team at a road game. It has often been said that as many as 1/3 of Stillwater restaurants and motels would close if it weren't for Christmas and OSU sporting events.
According to MapQuest, it is 1,667 miles from Palo Alto CA to Stillwater. How many Stanford fans can make that trek? How many OSU fans can and will go that far to a game?
DeLoss Dodds' legacy is now insured: the man who destroyed the Big-12 conference.
 
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rok_etop said:
Not sure why nobody is mentioning South Florida as a potential SEC school. They have one of the largest schools in the state (over 47000 students) they have facilities, and financial backing, they have been steadily a top 25 team the last several years....etc. They have only had that program intact for less than 15 years.

I think they are way more dominant and financially feasible than schools like Ky, or Vandy. Plus Fla State and Clemson dont want any of the SEC action because they are in the drivers seats in the weak ACC.

Just makes more sense regionally.
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Maybe you missed the point of expansion. It has very little to do with regions, and more to do with money. Plus, the SEC already has a presence in Florida with UF. Foley would never vote to admit another Florida school to the conference.
 
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Agree it is all about the money, but not on FL expansion. Doesn't matter what Foley wants - UF has only one vote out of 12. TN, MS, AL all have two schools from their states. South FL is a school on the rise as evidenced by their win yesterday. IMO FSU will stay in the winner of the ACC/Big East reshuffle. Like some have voiced why swim with the sharks when you already control your own kingdom.

If the SEC doesn't go super conference it will diminsh as the other conferences expand. It is greatly about the money and media converage when it comes to financial support and recruiting.
 
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Vols4us said:
Agree it is all about the money, but not on FL expansion. Doesn't matter what Foley wants - UF has only one vote out of 12. TN, MS, AL all have two schools from their states. South FL is a school on the rise as evidenced by their win yesterday. IMO FSU will stay in the winner of the ACC/Big East reshuffle. Like some have voiced why swim with the sharks when you already control your own kingdom.

If the SEC doesn't go super conference it will diminsh as the other conferences expand. It is greatly about the money and media converage when it comes to financial support and recruiting.
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If swimming in the shark tank pays you millions more than swimming in the kiddie pool, you'd do it. Like many have said, it's all about the money.
 
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I don't think 4 super conferences of 16 teams is going to wind up being good overall... and really not going to be good for Tennessee fans.

I think the only thing it'll do is create somewhere along the line of 8 teams who are really competitive and the rest will eventually just be there for the window dressing with no chance really to win anything, much less win it all.

Unfortunately, I don't see Tennessee being one of those 8 teams.

Just my opinion.
 
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rok_etop said:
Not sure why nobody is mentioning South Florida as a potential SEC school. They have one of the largest schools in the state (over 47000 students) they have facilities, and financial backing, they have been steadily a top 25 team the last several years....etc. They have only had that program intact for less than 15 years.

I think they are way more dominant and financially feasible than schools like Ky, or Vandy. Plus Fla State and Clemson dont want any of the SEC action because they are in the drivers seats in the weak ACC.

Just makes more sense regionally.
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Just say NO to directional schools
 
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theres 16 teams in Big East BB - they all beat each other, then when the NCAA tourney comes around they all get early exits (even though motor mouth Vitale claims they are so great ) No its a terrible idea for FB - you will never see another undefeated team in your lifetime and cheating will be worse than it is now. And IMO you will pay out your a$$ for PPV and any other TV games - nothing will be free anymore (pay a cable bill plus extra for college sports)
 
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Hey, if the super conferences leave the NCAA, it is worth it IMO.

Wouldn't it be cool to have a 15 game schedule, play a two game playoff for the conference title, and then have a two game playoff for the national title?

That'd be excellent.
 
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rok_etop said:
Not sure why nobody is mentioning South Florida as a potential SEC school. They have one of the largest schools in the state (over 47000 students) they have facilities, and financial backing, they have been steadily a top 25 team the last several years....etc. They have only had that program intact for less than 15 years.

I think they are way more dominant and financially feasible than schools like Ky, or Vandy. Plus Fla State and Clemson dont want any of the SEC action because they are in the drivers seats in the weak ACC.

Just makes more sense regionally.
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USF's hoping to sneak into the ACC.
 
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My 64 team/4 conference super conference:

Pac-16
Stanford
Oregon
Oregon State
USC
Cal
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado
Washington
Washington State
UCLA
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Boise State

SEC
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Tennessee
South Carolina
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
Arkansas
LSU
Texas A&M
Missouri
Virginia Tech
NC State

Big Midwest (Big Ten basically)
Michigan
Ohio State
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Michigan State
Iowa
Nebraska
Penn State
Northwestern
Illinois
Indiana
Purdue
Pittsburgh
Iowa State
Louisville
Kansas State

Big East
UConn
Louisville
Villanova
Notre Dame
South Florida
Miami
Florida State
Boston College
Duke
North Carolina
Syracuse
West Virginia
Virginia
Cincinnati
Georgia Tech
Clemson

Just a complete guess
 
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zjcvols said:
My 64 team/4 conference super conference:...

Just a complete guess
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A pretty good starting guess. You are probably going to have to find a spot for Rutgers, Maryland, and East Carolina which might push Villanova, Duke, Vandy, or ??? out. I'm sure there are others that we both missed. Finding the "top 64" is not going to be pretty but seems like it is coming.

The 2nd tier schools are going to end up with a lot of followers, too. It will be the top tier of the FCS and the lower tier of the BCS schools. That's quite a collection, too.
 
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But if the SEC goes to 16 teams, Who would they go after?....The ACC schools are staying put so count them out...In fact they will be doing their best to keep up with everybody else and most likely go after teams like WVU and maybe Pitt...No telling who else they would try to get...Wish Notre Dame would show some interest in the SEC.....Never gonna happen but they would be a nice pickup and generate great revenue for the conference....They would sell out every stadium in the SEC when they came to town.
 
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god I dont want a playoff system. it would ruin everything.

and IMO the BCS system kinda favors the SEC
 
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