#17 Florida vs #10 LSU (CBS 3:30)

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LSU-SIU said:
Are you reading what you are writing?

IF IF IF, if you knew what you are talking about you would running something other than arm chair coach.

"les miles is richt 2.0. whether you like it or not. he just has a nc."

And both beat the Vols... they are so stupid but you can't find anyone to beat them.

LSU is playing with basically it's 2nd and 3rd string and it's still a top 20 team. Why is it a fairly good team, well a lot of has to do with Les. No Les is not the best X and Os coach in the business but year in year out they play play good football and the players love him.

"his team was running for at least 7 to 5 yrds a carry and at times they completely abandoned the run for some reason."
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You clearly were not watching the game, LSU clearly went to the run this game. You sir have no idea what you are talking about.

This team this year with the amount of players it lost is doing very well.... to say otherwise is just sounds like someone that has no idea what they are talking about or are just bitter.

Richt is a good coach, he just needs to get over the hump ie the big game.

It's people like you that think this is so easy that make sports unbearable at times... yeah I am sure it's completely possible for all SEC teams to go undefeated... the one that doesn't much have a bad coach. See I have at least a few braincells in my head and I know no coach is going to win them all, you have some serious issues.
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again, just my opinion. please, keep taking up for les.

why are you getting so personal? I could say, it is not very long ago lsu was a bottom feeder just like some other teams in the sec. if it wasn't for saban, you guys would still be there.(I just threw up in my mouth).
 
#53
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loggervol said:
I thought so. :p

I never said I hated les miles. I could say the same about fulmer's days at tenn. and, I could also say the same about spurrier's days at fla.:hi:
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Les is not the best coach X and Os, he is not the smartest coach.... he is kind of knucklehead at times... but is he a fun coach, he a good person, is he fun to play for, is he competitive, etc.

Overall he does a very good job, he is not as stupid as you think. LSU could do a hellva lot worse.

The only big mistake he has made is not getting rid of Crowton in 2008, I knew it was going nowhere. Crowton destroyed LSU's offense and it is now only coming back.

Other than that I don't know what else someone could expect... you are not going to win them all. The coaching staff is doing a real good job this year... I mean LSU only lost 10 guys early to the draft... I don't know if any other program has had to deal with that.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
And you'd be wrong every time.
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wrong that fla. should have won more than one nc while spurrier was there. I don't think so.

we should've won more than one while fulmer was the coach here. we had the talent but we under performed a lot of years.
 
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loggervol said:
again, just my opinion. please, keep taking up for les.

why are you getting so personal? I could say, it is not very long ago lsu was a bottom feeder just like some other teams in the sec. if it wasn't for saban, you guys would still be there.(I just threw up in my mouth).
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Saban was able to reverse the recruits leaving the state, other than that he has been gone coming up on a decade. It's like saying if Louisiana's Manning would have not gone to UT that the Vols would be bottomfeeders.

You are the type of person that makes sports bad... bad was when UT hired Lamo. You have unrealistic expectations and you have no idea what you are talking about... probably because your own team will never live up to your expectations... I know IF IF IF IF... I bet your whole life is an IF.

I am not defending Les, I am attacking your nonsense... UT would take Richt in a second.
 
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man our offense was just terrible kelvin taylor was basically the only bright spot been saying he should be getting carries for weeks and he proved me right

muschamp needs to make a cam cameron type hire in the offseason or he will be gone within the next yr or 2
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Les is not the best coach X and Os, he is not the smartest coach.... he is kind of knucklehead at times... but is he a fun coach, he a good person, is he fun to play for, is he competitive, etc.

Overall he does a very good job, he is not as stupid as you think. LSU could do a hellva lot worse.

The only big mistake he has made is not getting rid of Crowton in 2008, I knew it was going nowhere. Crowton destroyed LSU's offense and it is now only coming back.

Other than that I don't know what else someone could expect... you are not going to win them all. The coaching staff is doing a real good job this year... I mean LSU only lost 10 guys early to the draft... I don't know if any other program has had to deal with that.
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you guys are in the top ten or top five in recruiting every year. when a team recruits like lsu does, there are players ready to come in and play if a player goes down. losing players to the draft early means you guys have talent. and, saying that is part of the problem is just an excuse.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Saban was able to reverse the recruits leaving the state, other than that he has been gone coming up on a decade. It's like saying if Louisiana's Manning would have not gone to UT that the Vols would be bottomfeeders.

You are the type of person that makes sports bad... bad was when UT hired Lamo. You have unrealistic expectations and you have no idea what you are talking about... probably because your own team will never live up to your expectations... I know IF IF IF IF... I bet your whole life is an IF.

I am not defending Les, I am attacking your nonsense... UT would take Richt in a second.
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we are talking about football. i'm not attacking you. don't take it personal. you are the type of person that can't see the difference. personal attacks, makes me think you have doubts about your own coach. if you want to say i'm wrong, that's just fine. if if if:eek:lol:
 
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loggervol said:
wrong that fla. should have won more than one nc while spurrier was there. I don't think so.

we should've won more than one while fulmer was the coach here. we had the talent but we under performed a lot of years.
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I couldn't disagree more.

You make it sound as though Spurrier and Fulmer were coaching in a vacuum against inferior competition week in and week out.

Some of the best UF teams in our school's history kept Tennessee from winning SEC and national titles.

Some of the best FSU teams in their school's history, not to mention arguably the greatest college football team of all-time ('95 Nebraska) kept Spurrier from winning more than one national title at UF.

The great Miami teams of the 80s and early 90s kept FSU and Bobby Bowden from winning their first national title until 1993.

How many active college football coaches have more than one national title on their resume?
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
You make it sound as though Spurrier and Fulmer were coaching in a vacuum against inferior competition week in and week out.

Some of the best UF teams in our school's history kept Tennessee from winning SEC and national titles.

Some of the best FSU teams in their school's history, not to mention arguably the greatest college football team of all-time ('95 Nebraska) kept Spurrier from winning more than one national title at UF.

The great Miami teams of the 80s and early 90s kept FSU and Bobby Bowden from winning their only national title until 1993.

How many active college football coaches have more than one national title on their resume?
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no, i'm saying we had some great teams and you guys had some great teams.( yuck). if you asked the coaches the same question, i'm sure they would say they expected to win more than one also.

two that I know of.
 
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loggervol said:
we are talking about football. i'm not attacking you. don't take it personal. you are the type of person that can't see the difference. personal attacks, makes me think you have doubts about your own coach. if you want to say i'm wrong, that's just fine. if if if:eek:lol:
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I am not attacking you... I am attacking your nonsense.

IF IF IF

I know IF Les doesn't go undefeated he must be horrible coach... I mean you just recruit some guys and throw them on the field and it should just magically work out.

Les has done a great job this year with the young guys... I expect some loses and people like you will say boy IF UT had those guys... well Les went and got those guys and developed them instead of University hiring a new savior HC every year.

The only attack I would have on you is that you are what is wrong with college sports.

Les is a great guy, he won't be in BR forever but he has made things interesting... he is 10 times the man Saban will ever be. Of course, I do want to kick Les in the nuts from time to time... but he keeps the train going.

I guess LSU could go your route... let me see hire like X amount of coaches. How exactly is that working out?

Les and Richt are just the worse... let me see I bet you suggest Lamo for HC.
 
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loggervol said:
no, i'm saying we had some great teams and you guys had some great teams.( yuck). if you asked the coaches the same question, i'm sure they would say they expected to win more than one also.
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Don't take your opinion and associate it with a coach's mindset. Coaches expect to win every game. When they don't, it's not necessarily because they underachieved...the level of opposition has something to do with it also.

Your suggestion that Fulmer and Spurrier...and Les Miles...are underachievers because they only won 1 national championship is garbage.

Where is this long list of active CFB coaches with more than one national title? I noticed you ignored this question previously.
 
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#63
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Lawrence Wright said:
Don't take your opinion and associate it with a coach's mindset.
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You don't see the irony, do you?

What do you coach again? Peewee? Nothing?

You tell him his opinion on how a coach thinks is inaccurate and proceed to spout off at the mouth on how a coach thinks as if your opinion is anymore accurate or relevant. Classic.

Stick to the Florida board where stupid is as stupid does.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Les is a great guy.
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The amount of spelling errors is atrocious.

Your logic is even worse.

Lastly, how do you know?

Maybe you and Florida boy should go and play with each other. He pretends to know how coaches think while shooting down opinions of others. And you, you claim someonw is a great guy that you don't even know.

Gator will argue your opinion because you don't know him. Just like so and so doesn't think like a coach.
 
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TOP said:
You don't see the irony, do you?

What do you coach again? Peewee? Nothing?

You tell him his opinion on how a coach thinks is inaccurate and proceed to spout off at the mouth on how a coach thinks as if your opinion is anymore accurate or relevant. Classic.

Stick to the Florida board where stupid is as stupid does.
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It's ironic you choose to blast my post.

I'll speak slowly for you, because your hatred for my rival affiliation limits your ability to think rationally. You like to stalk my posts, even though some Vol fans share my opinion. For that I'm flattered you think so much of my contributions here....it's obvious you can't ignore what I have to say. :rock:

Loggervol suggested the following:

1. Les Miles, Steve Spurrer and Phil Fulmer all underachieved because they didn't win multiple national titles.

2. Direct quote: If "a lot of coaches" had LSU's talent, they would have more than one national championship.

3. Direct quote: "If you asked the coaches the same question, i'm sure they would say they expected to win more than one also."

I challenge you like I challenged him...defend his position by listing all the active coaches with multiple national titles. Clearly there must be "a lot" of them, because he said so in his post. I'm simply asking him to defend his position.

Lastly, what does a coach's expectations have to do with the actual outcome of a game or season? Kentucky's coaching staff expected to beat Alabama last night...the reason they didn't has nothing to do with UK underachieving.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I am not attacking you... I am attacking your nonsense.

IF IF IF

I know IF Les doesn't go undefeated he must be horrible coach... I mean you just recruit some guys and throw them on the field and it should just magically work out.

Les has done a great job this year with the young guys... I expect some loses and people like you will say boy IF UT had those guys... well Les went and got those guys and developed them instead of University hiring a new savior HC every year.

The only attack I would have on you is that you are what is wrong with college sports.

Les is a great guy, he won't be in BR forever but he has made things interesting... he is 10 times the man Saban will ever be. Of course, I do want to kick Les in the nuts from time to time... but he keeps the train going.

I guess LSU could go your route... let me see hire like X amount of coaches. How exactly is that working out?

Les and Richt are just the worse... let me see I bet you suggest Lamo for HC.
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you're not attacking me???? ok

I didn't say he was a terrible coach. I said, he underachieves with the talent he has every year.

yes we are down. it was not my decision to hire any coach. I am a fan just like you, just for a different team.

again, I am a fan. but, i'm sure you know more than me. I could say the same about you. a lsu fan that can't have a conversation without getting personal. I don't really know what to say about that.( i'm whats wrong with college sports):eek:lol: vol board not an lsu board

i'm sure he's a good guy and never said a thing about him being a bad guy.

please put your point in one paragraph. you are all over the place. again, I didn't hire a coach for tenn. i'm just a fan.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
It's ironic you choose to blast my post.

I'll speak slowly for you, because your hatred for my rival affiliation limits your ability to think rationally. You like to stalk my posts, even though some Vol fans share my opinion. For that I'm flattered you think so much of my contributions here....it's obvious you can't ignore what I have to say. :rock:

Loggervol suggested the following:

1. Les Miles, Steve Spurrer and Phil Fulmer all underachieved because they didn't win multiple national titles.

2. Direct quote: If "a lot of coaches" had LSU's talent, they would have more than one national championship.

3. Direct quote: "If you asked the coaches the same question, i'm sure they would say they expected to win more than one also."

I challenge you like I challenged him...defend his position by listing all the active coaches with multiple national titles. Clearly there must be "a lot" of them, because he said so in his post. I'm simply asking him to defend his position.

Lastly, what does a coach's expectations have to do with the actual outcome of a game or season? Kentucky's coaching staff expected to beat Alabama last night...the reason they didn't has nothing to do with UK underachieving.
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I didn't say I know their minds. and, I didn't use my opinion to say I know what they would say. I said, ask them if they thought they should have won more than one with the teams they had.

Oy'vey

yes, he might have expected to win but it was an unreal expectation. talent. it wasn't an unreal expectation with the teams we had...

two coaches that I know of. saban and urban
 
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loggervol said:
I didn't say I know their minds. and, I didn't use my opinion to say I know what they would say. I said, ask them if they thought they should have won more than one with the teams they had.

Oy'vey

yes, he might have expected to win but it was an unreal expectation. talent. it wasn't an unreal expectation with the teams we had...

two coaches that I know of. saban and urban
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So you agree it's not easy to win multiple national titles, otherwise that list of overachievers would be much longer.

Bob Stoops comes to mind as a so-called underachiever, but he lost national championship games against Pete Carroll (2 NCs), Nick Saban (4 NCs) and Urban Meyer (2 NCs). He did beat the legendary Bobby Bowden for his only national title when everyone expected FSU to win.

Winning a national title is anything but easy. Winning more than one is damn near impossible....yet many are quick to label coaches as underachievers for not doing so.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
So you agree it's not easy to win multiple national titles, otherwise that list of overachievers would be much longer.

Bob Stoops comes to mind as a so-called underachiever, but he lost national championship games against Pete Carroll (2 NCs), Nick Saban (4 NCs) and Urban Meyer (2 NCs). He did beat the legendary Bobby Bowden for his only national title when everyone expected FSU to win.

Winning a national title is anything but easy. Winning more than one is damn near impossible....yet many are quick to label coaches as underachievers for not doing so.
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is mack brown a underachiever? he gets the top recruits in texas every year but he only has one nc.
 
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loggervol said:
is mack brown a underachiever? he gets the top recruits in texas every year but he only has one nc.
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You can argue either way.

Mack Brown played for two national titles, beat Pete Carroll in one and and lost to Nick Saban in the other...and if not for a Big XII tiebreaker in 2008 Texas would have played UF in Miami for another NC.

Brown also had a losing season not too long ago, and that's inexcusable at Texas with the recruiting base and resources they have. And since Muschamp left they've struggled on defense.

The Big XII is not the SEC...Texas should be one of the the top dogs in that conference every year, but recently they haven't been.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Somebody needs a pacifier.
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this is what i'm talking about. if you want to have a discussion, lets have one. your snide comments are getting on my nerves.

I have a feeling if I was around you. you might need some new teeth.
 
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