17 out of 19

[indian rick]

Glanced at an article that said 17 out of 19 recruits in this class were 4* and 5* , but now I can't find this. The sub title said," Heupel ain't playing " anybody else run across this ?

 

[xJesusx56]

Glanced at an article that said 17 out of 19 recruits in this class were 4* and 5* , but now I can't find this. The sub title said," Heupel ain't playing " anybody else run across this ?

I read this post and 5 minutes later scrolled by this on Facebook.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Up to No. 8 on 247. 3rd in the SEC. It's 14 of 19 four/five stars on there though. 91.39 average rating.

 

[doublej]

Glanced at an article that said 17 out of 19 recruits in this class were 4* and 5* , but now I can't find this. The sub title said," Heupel ain't playing " anybody else run across this ?

Probably 17 out of 19 are 4 or 5 stars on at least one service.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Probably 17 out of 19 are 4 or 5 stars on at least one service.

And if you cherry pick the negative you can probably get a lot more 3 stars if you just count if someone is a 3 start on one service.

 

[VolBalla2014]

Guys, Heupel turned a backup ACC qb, a walk on WR, and a Dollar General manager into NFL players. We'll be fine with whoever he brings in

 

[Jackcrevol]

And if you cherry pick the negative you can probably get a lot more 3 stars if you just count if someone is a 3 start on one service.

Ginther, Goree (Bama offer), and Carter are threes with offers from everywhere. Burns and Farooq also have P5 offers from everywhere.

 

[KoachKrab127]

Guys, Heupel turned a backup ACC qb, a walk on WR, and a Dollar General manager into NFL players. We'll be fine with whoever he brings in

This. People say that recruiting is more important than coaching, but I disagree. We had so many 4 and 5 star guys not live up to their hype or just turn out to be complete busts from 2007 to 2020, like an obscene amount. Then, when we lose almost half our roster, Heupel comes in and takes us to a top 5 finish for the first time in 20 years.

Yes, recruiting is important, but in my opinion, based on results the last 20 years, coaching players up is even more important. I don’t know how much more evidence of this we need when we’ve seen how the last 4 years of Fulmer, and all of Dooley, Butch, and Pruitt proved it every season.

 

[Shades]

This. People say that recruiting is more important than coaching, but I disagree. We had so many 4 and 5 star guys not live up to their hype or just turn out to be complete busts from 2007 to 2020, like an obscene amount. Then, when we lose almost half our roster, Heupel comes in and takes us to a top 5 finish for the first time in 20 years.

Yes, recruiting is important, but in my opinion, based on results the last 20 years, coaching players up is even more important. I don’t know how much more evidence of this we need when we’ve seen how the last 4 years of Fulmer, and all of Dooley, Butch, and Pruitt proved it every season.

Good coaching and good recruiting are necessary for a solid team.
Good coaching and elite recruiting are nearly always necessary for a national championship.


Average-to-good recruiting + good coaching = good-to-very good team, 9-10+ wins.
But national championship is very, very difficult due to lack of depth of talent.
History proves this over and over.
2016 Clemson was the lone exception in the past decade+.

Elite recruiting + bad coaching = very unpredictable team results. National championship nearly impossible.

Elite recruiting + good coaching = National championship is highly likely.

 

[jtipto10]

And if you cherry pick the negative you can probably get a lot more 3 stars if you just count if someone is a 3 start on one service.

I refer to these guys at butch Jones 4 stars. He seemed to get a lot of fringe 4 stars on one service or another who were in the 200-350 range that looked good on paper and on recruiting rankings but not great when listed next to Bama's classes.

Boulware
Chance hall
Andrew butcher
Quarte sapp
Quinten dormady
Jack Jones
Sherion jones
Joe Henderson
Charles moseley
Michael Sawyers
Gavin Bryant
Charles Scott

Lots of fringe 4 star talent there that were either not actually that good or were not utilized appropriately. Or even worse, both.

 

[snappervol]

I refer to these guys at butch Jones 4 stars. He seemed to get a lot of fringe 4 stars on one service or another who were in the 200-350 range that looked good on paper and on recruiting rankings but not great when listed next to Bama's classes.

Boulware
Chance hall
Andrew butcher
Quarte sapp
Quinten dormady
Jack Jones
Sherion jones
Joe Henderson
Charles moseley
Michael Sawyers
Gavin Bryant
Charles Scott

Lots of fringe 4 star talent there that were either not actually that good or were not utilized appropriately. Or even worse, both.

Jack Jones was a player, until health issues dictated he wasn’t. The guy had the right mentality.

 

[cherokeeeVOL]

Good coaching and good recruiting are necessary for a solid team.
Good coaching and elite recruiting are nearly always necessary for a national championship.


Average-to-good recruiting + good coaching = good-to-very good team, 9-10+ wins.
But national championship is very, very difficult due to lack of depth of talent.
History proves this over and over.
2016 Clemson was the lone exception in the past decade+.

Elite recruiting + bad coaching = very unpredictable team results. National championship nearly impossible.

Elite recruiting + good coaching = National championship is highly likely.

What about Elite coaching + good recruiting?

 

[jtipto10]

Jack Jones was a player, until health issues dictated he wasn’t. The guy had the right mentality.

I agree. I guess my point is you can pick most of these guys and say "if only xyz". The problem is we signed all of them, and Butch Jones wasn't capable of the xyz

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

This. People say that recruiting is more important than coaching, but I disagree. We had so many 4 and 5 star guys not live up to their hype or just turn out to be complete busts from 2007 to 2020, like an obscene amount. Then, when we lose almost half our roster, Heupel comes in and takes us to a top 5 finish for the first time in 20 years.

Yes, recruiting is important, but in my opinion, based on results the last 20 years, coaching players up is even more important. I don’t know how much more evidence of this we need when we’ve seen how the last 4 years of Fulmer, and all of Dooley, Butch, and Pruitt proved it every season.

At the end of the day, you gotta have the players to win consistently, but there is no level of talent that bad coaching can’t screw up.

 

[VolBricks]

What about Elite coaching + good recruiting?

this is what Bama and GA have right now and where we need to be.

 

[Shades]

What about Elite coaching + good recruiting?

Probably similar to good coaching + good recruiting.

Not sure if I have enough spidey senses to spot the differences between good coaching and elite coaching.

All I know is that just "good recruiting" under any kind of coaching hasn't gotten any team to a national championship in the last 10-15 years, with the lone exception of Clemson 2016. Was Dabo a good coach, or an elite coach, or just lucky, back then? Either way, he managed to pull off a pretty good anomaly.

 

[cherokeeeVOL]

Probably similar to good coaching + good recruiting.

Not sure if I have enough spidey senses to spot the differences between good coaching and elite coaching.

All I know is that just "good recruiting" under any kind of coaching hasn't gotten any team to a national championship in the last 10-15 years, with the lone exception of Clemson 2016. Was Dabo a good coach, or an elite coach, or just lucky, back then? Either way, he managed to pull off a pretty good anomaly.

It takes an elite coach to come in and win 7 games with the depleted roster we had two years ago and then turn right around the very next year and come within one game of the playoff with many of those same players from the previous year. Recruiting is obviously important but so is having a top staff that knows what they're doing. Dabo appears to be an elite coach who managed to find the right players in the right spots to overcome Alabama, who is the perennial elite recruiting machine. And they did it twice. It's still early, but so far it seems like Heupel knows how to find those same players and take recruits that were not as highly rated by the services and turn them into great players. And it's helpful that he also is arguably the best offensive mind in college football. We're no slouch in recruiting either. Top 10 last year and probably will be again.

 

[Shades]

It takes an elite coach to come in and win 7 games with the depleted roster we had two years ago and then turn right around the very next year and come within one game of the playoff with many of those same players from the previous year. Recruiting is obviously important but so is having a top staff that knows what they're doing. Dabo appears to be an elite coach who managed to find the right players in the right spots to overcome Alabama, who is the perennial elite recruiting machine. And they did it twice. It's still early, but so far it seems like Heupel knows how to find those same players and take recruits that were not as highly rated by the services and turn them into great players. And it's helpful that he also is arguably the best offensive mind in college football. We're no slouch in recruiting either. Top 10 last year and probably will be again.

Cherokee, we are in strong agreement about Heupel. What he did the past two years is pretty amazing and very impressive, especially with only about 32% blue chip players.

Heupel is definitely a very good coach, and very possibly an elite coach.

On Dabo's first championship, he did it with only 53% blue chip players, which was a pretty phenomenal feat compared to historical patterns. On his second championship, he did it with 66% blue chip players, including nine 5* players, which made it more in line with historical patterns than an exception.

This 2023 Vols team is probably now above 40% blue chip players.
I think Heupel's quality of coaching is capable of taking this 2023 Vols team to the playoffs, and even to a national championship game.
If he does win a national championship game this year, it will be a phenomenal achievement with ~40% blue chip players, which has not been done in the past couple decades.

Given the strong 2024 class, the Vols roster will probably be in the 50-60% of blue chip players going into the 2024 season.

 

[cherokeeeVOL]

Cherokee, we are in strong agreement about Heupel. What he did the past two years is pretty amazing and very impressive, especially with only about 32% blue chip players.

Heupel is definitely a very good coach, and very possibly an elite coach.

On Dabo's first championship, he did it with only 53% blue chip players, which was a pretty phenomenal feat compared to historical patterns. On his second championship, he did it with 66% blue chip players, including nine 5* players, which made it more in line with historical patterns than an exception.

This 2023 Vols team is probably now above 40% blue chip players.
I think Heupel's quality of coaching is capable of taking this 2023 Vols team to the playoffs, and even to a national championship game.
If he does win a national championship game this year, it will be a phenomenal achievement with ~40% blue chip players, which has not been done in the past couple decades.

Given the strong 2024 class, the Vols roster will probably be in the 50-60% of blue chip players going into the 2024 season.

Yeah I actually liked the hire initially given his record and resume but was in wait-and-see mode. That first year was impressive but I was completely sold last year by the LSU game that these guys are top coaches. It's been a long time since we've been able to say that around here. Definitely not saying we're going to be going to the national championship game this year or maybe even the next but we're back in the conversation at least and that's enough for me for now. And I think the expanded playoff is going to help us tremendously given the Georgia challenge. But who knows, maybe they surprise us again this year and manage to knock off Georgia. That would be epic!

 

[ftsandersvol]

Jack Jones was a player, until health issues dictated he wasn’t. The guy had the right mentality.

Yeah, not really fair to include him in that list.

 

[jmcarr33]

I refer to these guys at butch Jones 4 stars. He seemed to get a lot of fringe 4 stars on one service or another who were in the 200-350 range that looked good on paper and on recruiting rankings but not great when listed next to Bama's classes.

Boulware
Chance hall
Andrew butcher
Quarte sapp
Quinten dormady
Jack Jones
Sherion jones
Joe Henderson
Charles moseley
Michael Sawyers
Gavin Bryant
Charles Scott

Lots of fringe 4 star talent there that were either not actually that good or were not utilized appropriately. Or even worse, both.

If Heupel had the players Butch had in the Dobbs/Hurd/Kamara years we might have won a National Championship

 

[KoachKrab127]

this is what Bama and GA have right now and where we need to be.

I would say Bama and UGA have elite recruiting.

 

[PACKERVOL]

Here is where we stand today after signing the big OT from Sugarland, TX.

On3: 5* = 0 4* = 14 3* = 5
247: 5* = 1 4* = 9 3* = 9
Rivals: 5* = 1 4* = 13 3* = 5
ESPN: 5* = 1 4* = 12 3* = 6

 

[LittleVol]

4 stahs....5 stahs!

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

4 stahs....5 stahs!

"3 and 3 quarter stars" (Ed McMahon voice).