'18 GA CB Jaycee Horn

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drvenner said:
We have not been for a while, but we still have way more tradition that SC, and we have been better than them the last 3 years. Yes, I know that we lost last year, but that does not mean that they are more relevant than we are.
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That's not saying much, though. SC didn't even win a bowl game until 1995.
 
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I just found out that TN is dirty as hell and we are paying players and their families big money for the recruits. That's the only explanation according to the posters on cockytalk. LMFAO! A little butt hurt over there.
 
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BigBadVol said:
I just found out that TN is dirty as hell and we are paying players and their families big money for the recruits. That's the only explanation according to the posters on cockytalk. LMFAO! A little butt hurt over there.
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That's what we say about the Barn.
 
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BigBadVol said:
I just found out that TN is dirty as hell and we are paying players and their families big money for the recruits. That's the only explanation according to the posters on cockytalk. LMFAO! A little butt hurt over there.
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why would they be butthurt? it's an undeniable fact that Sou' Curlinians come out of the womb bat**** crazy, i mean they live 150 years in the past. i dont argue, Cola is a Bermuda triangle, rational- progressive thought doesnt exist in the vacuum.

But, they beat the best TN team in decades with a frosh & Will muschamp! What on Earth are they butthurt about? BTW, i said from day 1 that was a good hire for them. He's as good a recruiter as you'll find. And arguably a better gameday coach than CBJ - look at head to head comparison.
 
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jackcrevol said:
why would they be butthurt? it's an undeniable fact that Sou' Curlinians come out of the womb bat**** crazy, i mean they live 150 years in the past. i dont argue, Cola is a Bermuda triangle, rational- progressive thought doesnt exist in the vacuum.

But, they beat the best TN team in decades with a frosh & Will muschamp! What on Earth are they butthurt about? BTW, i said from day 1 that was a good hire for them. He's as good a recruiter as you'll find. And arguably a better gameday coach than CBJ - look at head to head comparison.
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So Butch was a better gameday coach than Spurrier?
 
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BigBadVol said:
I just found out that TN is dirty as hell and we are paying players and their families big money for the recruits. That's the only explanation according to the posters on cockytalk. LMFAO! A little butt hurt over there.
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Most teams do! If you ain't cheating you ain't trying!
 
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BigBadVol said:
I just found out that TN is dirty as hell and we are paying players and their families big money for the recruits. That's the only explanation according to the posters on cockytalk. LMFAO! A little butt hurt over there.
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Well they just don't value people like they should.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
The Barn has a well recorded history of cheating, so there's that.
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de1conley said:
I think at that point CBJ had more talent and CSS was done and Clemson was bullying him and crushing him for all the beat talent in SC
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First season head to head, SC ended up the 4th ranked team in the final poll. Second matchup they were closer but SC still had an edge in talent. Butch outcoached him plain and simple. That Clemson crap is an excuse that the negavols would laugh at if it was applied to our coach.
 
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butchna said:
First season head to head, SC ended up the 4th ranked team in the final poll. Second matchup they were closer but SC still had an edge in talent. Butch outcoached him plain and simple. That Clemson crap is an excuse that the negavols would laugh at if it was applied to our coach.
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I think it's the coaching styles that give CBJ trouble. Spurrier was an offensive guy, he wants to outscore everyone and play a little D.

Muschamp wants to win with a little offense and a stout D. I think he has CBJ figured out enough to slow our offense.. especially if they have an off day like last year. I don't think it's so much as he is in CBJ's head but instead that he is a good defensive coach and has had decent matchups against us.

And if our D is having an off day (or season) for whatever reason then it compounds the problem.
 
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buckfama said:
I think it's the coaching styles that give CBJ trouble. Spurrier was an offensive guy, he wants to outscore everyone and play a little D.

Muschamp wants to win with a little offense and a stout D. I think he has CBJ figured out enough to slow our offense.. especially if they have an off day like last year. I don't think it's so much as he is in CBJ's head but instead that he is a good defensive coach and has had decent matchups against us.

And if our D is having an off day (or season) for whatever reason then it compounds the problem.
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That's not a bad observation. Regarding Muschamp... I've never seen him out coach anyone. I've seen him outlast though and I think that aligns with a defensive mindset.
 
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UTProf said:
That's not a bad observation. Regarding Muschamp... I've never seen him out coach anyone. I've seen him outlast though and I think that aligns with a defensive mindset.
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I think that's why Mason gives him trouble too, but it wasn't the offense last year that list it.. it was the D.

Look at the teams CBJ loses too, Bama - good offense and great D
Arkansas - ball control and defense
USCe - defense
Vandy(uugghh) - defense
T a&m - we gave that one away.. fumbles
Oklahoma - same as Bama, good offense and stout D

We don't run a lot of different plays, we just change up formations. If someone can slow us down and play disciplined D against us, and we struggle, good chance we lose the game.

That's where the "predictably" complaint against Butch comes in. If your average fan can tell what's coming then how can a seasoned DC watching hours of tape not pick up on our tendencies? They do, that's when you just hope that you have the better athlete out there to make the play.

I look at it this way though, CBJ finished 9-4 last year. That's with a ton of injuries, team chemistry issues (Hurd), distractions (O'Brien, media analyzing he said and did), and discord among the defensive coaches (rumor but I feel some of it is true).

And STILL managed to go 9-4. I'm not pumping him up to be the best because he isn't... has to improve some of his game day decisions. But it would be hard for anyone to perform flawlessly at their job under those conditions. Everyone thinks he wasted our opportunity at the SEC championship last year, I lean towards he did a pretty decent job of salvaging what could have been a disasterous season.

Yes the Vandy and SC loss was almost unforgivable.. Almost.

But if he can hold it together through all that.. and still have a winning record I'm curious to see what happens when things fall into place for him for a change.

Then it will be more obvious if he learned from his game management mistakes, not having a S&C coach, waiting on replacing assistant coaches (if that was even his decision to make at the time), or even how he has grown as a coach.

From the changes he has made I think he has, only time will tell.
 
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de1conley said:
I think at that point CBJ had more talent and CSS was done and Clemson was bullying him and crushing him for all the beat talent in SC
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Butch definitely did not have more talent in 2013. That SCjr team finished 11-2 and Top 10. 2014 were probably close talent-wise, but most of UT's talent were freshmen.
 
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buckfama said:
I think it's the coaching styles that give CBJ trouble. Spurrier was an offensive guy, he wants to outscore everyone and play a little D.

Muschamp wants to win with a little offense and a stout D. I think he has CBJ figured out enough to slow our offense.. especially if they have an off day like last year. I don't think it's so much as he is in CBJ's head but instead that he is a good defensive coach and has had decent matchups against us.

And if our D is having an off day (or season) for whatever reason then it compounds the problem.
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What the heck you talking about he has cbj figured out? They've played a total of 3 times. The first 2 of those were in cbj's first 2 years here recovering from a shipwreck. And that first year usce was supposedly one of the best teams in the country. Hardly a telling time about how they match up.

Last year was really the first one you could make any realistic judgement between the two coaches. Even then it doesn't mean any more than when cbj beat Coach Superior. Simply not enough games in comparable situations to judge.
 
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OrangenSC said:
What the heck you talking about he has cbj figured out? They've played a total of 3 times. The first 2 of those were in cbj's first 2 years here recovering from a shipwreck. And that first year usce was supposedly one of the best teams in the country. Hardly a telling time about how they match up.

Last year was really the first one you could make any realistic judgement between the two coaches. Even then it doesn't mean any more than when cbj beat Coach Superior. Simply not enough games in comparable situations to judge.
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How many times does it take to figure someone out or learn their tendencies? Half a dozen? 3? Eleven?

Both coaches and staffs study tape leading up to the game.. learning each other's teams and what they do in certain situations. Seems to me that Muschamp has picked up on something that CBJ does.. while he was at Florida and it seems to have carried over to SC. Until Butch beats him.. who would you say has done a better job of scouting and game planning?

Granted last year injuries and Dobbs having an off game contributed but they still made more plays than we did.

Just like CBJ seemed to find a way to beat Spurrier.. even when SC had the better talent.

So if that's not "figuring out" what a coach may do in certain situations and game planning for it, what would you call it?

And why wouldn't the first 2 losses count? Is the NCAA aware of this and going to adjust the books in our favor?

And that just goes back to my original point, CBJ STRUGGLES WITH DEFENSIVE ORIENTED COACHES AND TEAMS. Florida was loaded on defense and we all know Muschamp may be a lot of things but a crappy defensive coordinator he's not.
 
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buckfama said:
How many times does it take to figure someone out or learn their tendencies? Half a dozen? 3? Eleven?

Both coaches and staffs study tape leading up to the game.. learning each other's teams and what they do in certain situations. Seems to me that Muschamp has picked up on something that CBJ does.. while he was at Florida and it seems to have carried over to SC. Until Butch beats him.. who would you say has done a better job of scouting and game planning?

Granted last year injuries and Dobbs having an off game contributed but they still made more plays than we did.

Just like CBJ seemed to find a way to beat Spurrier.. even when SC had the better talent.

So if that's not "figuring out" what a coach may do in certain situations and game planning for it, what would you call it?

And why wouldn't the first 2 losses count? Is the NCAA aware of this and going to adjust the books in our favor?

And that just goes back to my original point, CBJ STRUGGLES WITH DEFENSIVE ORIENTED COACHES AND TEAMS. Florida was loaded on defense and we all know Muschamp may be a lot of things but a crappy defensive coordinator he's not.
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Ask Auburn they might tell you different
 
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