'18 VA JUCO OT Chase Brown

#26
#26
KB5252 said:
Mallicoat said:
Most didn't see it. I remember telling people during the coaching search we were missing quality players all over the roster, biggest need was OL. This coach has a three year rebuild. Despite highly ranked classes we are razor thin and lack quality at many key positions.
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Spot on.. espically at OT which has been a horror show
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#27
#27
ThreatLevelOrange said:
Volunteer_Kirby said:
Fulmer was one of the best in the country at recruiting and (definitely) developing linemen. Rarely did we not have a good to excellent OL. I think Phil knew how far away from OL competence we had gone. Too much focus on skill positions. Therefore, he was going to hire a coach that stressed those areas.
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Yes and no.... He knows the OL well but really struggled to sign good lineman his last few years which was a factor in his struggles. Have we forgot the fact the Sullins boys started some games for us due to lack of depth??
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#28
#28
Volunteer_Kirby said:
Darth_Shiveman said:
True, it was a compound of many issues. with those guys healthy, Niehaus and Calbert were relatively unknown while Jones seemingly regressed. still not enough and Butch couldn't see it.

After 0 OL commits in the 12 class, Butch recruited 3 guys in '13 - Kendrick, Sanders & Wiesman - not exactly a good idea when we were looking at an empty cupboard in '14.

In '14 he had to make up for lost ground because he had the bare minimum again, so he recruited Blair (did nothing), Mosely (recruited as a DT - was too out of shape, moved to guard - did nothing), Robertson (Butch's most complete OLman recruit even as a freshman), Raulerson (did nothing), & Coleman Thomas.

Again he only had those numbers because we were down to the bare minimum at OL and it should've been clear early that some of those guys weren't going to work out (namely Mosely, Blair and Raulerson).

Then in 2015 - Drew, Jack, Boulware & Chance - Stewart was a no show and was intended to be a grey shirt IIRC. This was probably Butchs best OL class, which isnt saying much. With the lack of talent that was obvious on the OL, Butch should've bee looking to reload - instead...

2016 - Johnson, Neihaus and Tatum - very mediocre class, this is where Butch really started to drop the ball because we had huge turnover from the '14 class and lackluster results from the '13 class. Should've been another reload yr and not the bare minumum taken (which, IMO is 3 in this league).

2017 - Trey, Locklear, Calbert, plus Brooks who will have to learn the position and has 2 serious knee injuries... besides Trey, a very underwhelming class. Not exactly a reload class either once you consider Brooks inexperience/prior injuries - a project that wouldnt pan out for years when we needed more immediate help.

17 guys over 5 years, with at least 2 projects, 4-6 guys who werent SEC material ON TOP of 0 guys in 2012. I'd say he screwed the pooch there. The fact that he only recruited one JUCO OLman his entire time here tells me all I need to know about his inability to manage/build an OL.

Butch may have had the numbers but he didn't have the presence of mind to get ahead of curve, especially when he had lots of injuries already showing and a complete lack of development from some of the older guys. It's taking too many projects, it's not developing guys and it's not recruiting enough guys. Again it seemed he only moved guys over (like Mosely & Brooks) when we had the bare minimum. Showed a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to build a SEC oline.
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we are also scary thin at DL, LB, RB, TE, and QB.

Not exactly over flowing at the other positions either. who are you cutting to make room for more OL?

every year its the same MOAR OF THIS POSITION!!!!!! then two years down the road the fans are questioning why didn't we take more of "X"?
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#30
#30
"we are also scary thin at DL, LB, RB, TE, and QB."

DL - DE is in descent shape but desperately need some SEC caliber DT's and if going to 3-4 there are no NT on the roster
LB - Not good but should get some guys back healthy - Definitely need some help
RB - If Kelly's back not a desperate situation and this is one position freshman can help out at right away
TE - Depends on what the new offense is. If they pan on running many 12 sets then definitely need some help
QB - They have numbers and guys with stars coming out of HS. So either QD and JG are busts or they didn't get good coaching. This position could be okay only time will tell.
 
#31
#31
DL will be in very bad shape soon if we don't add some depth. Phillips, Kongo, McKenzie, Tuttle, Picou, & A. Johnson are all seniors next year. Although they're nice pieces, we need more than just Emerson, Lawless and Litaker.

RB isn't as immediate IMHO. 2018: Kelly (sr), Chandler (so), Fils-Aime (jr), Jordan (so), Coleman (so) and whoever we sign.

TE is a worry. 2018: Wolf (jr), Pope (so), Bumphus (so), Craig (so) and whoever we sign. I'm excited to see how Bumphus has progressed.

OL is pitiful. We need some major help ASAP!
 
#32
#32
SycloneJoe said:
DL will be in very bad shape soon if we don't add some depth. Phillips, Kongo, McKenzie, Tuttle, Picou, & A. Johnson are all seniors next year. Although they're nice pieces, we need more than just Emerson, Lawless and Litaker.

RB isn't as immediate IMHO. 2018: Kelly (sr), Chandler (so), Fils-Aime (jr), Jordan (so), Coleman (so) and whoever we sign.

TE is a worry. 2018: Wolf (jr), Pope (so), Bumphus (so), Craig (so) and whoever we sign. I'm excited to see how Bumphus has progressed.

OL is pitiful. We need some major help ASAP!
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You forgot Brown at TE, he'll be a redshirt freshman.
 
#33
#33
SycloneJoe said:
DL will be in very bad shape soon if we don't add some depth. Phillips, Kongo, McKenzie, Tuttle, Picou, & A. Johnson are all seniors next year. Although they're nice pieces, we need more than just Emerson, Lawless and Litaker.

RB isn't as immediate IMHO. 2018: Kelly (sr), Chandler (so), Fils-Aime (jr), Jordan (so), Coleman (so) and whoever we sign.

TE is a worry. 2018: Wolf (jr), Pope (so), Bumphus (so), Craig (so) and whoever we sign. I'm excited to see how Bumphus has progressed.

OL is pitiful. We need some major help ASAP!
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I’m not as concerned about DL assuming we transition to the 3-4...

WDE: Butler-Johnson-Thaxton
NT: Crosby-Lawless
SDE: Bennett-Emerson-Litaker

Could use another NT type for sure...and maybe an upgrade in quality at WDE...but all in all I believe we’re okay...

LB is a massive concern for me...next year seems okay...but after that is scary, scary, scary...I could see a scenario where Taylor, Kirkland, Bituli and Ignont are not here in 2019 (leaving early and/or being dismissed/quitting)...when you look at things without them (and even with them) it just doesn’t look good at all at the 4 LB spots
 
#34
#34
thunder5 said:
I’m not as concerned about DL assuming we transition to the 3-4...

WDE: Butler-Johnson-Thaxton
NT: Crosby-Lawless
SDE: Bennett-Emerson-Litaker

Could use another NT type for sure...and maybe an upgrade in quality at WDE...but all in all I believe we’re okay...

LB is a massive concern for me...next year seems okay...but after that is scary, scary, scary...I could see a scenario where Taylor, Kirkland, Bituli and Ignont are not here in 2019 (leaving early and/or being dismissed/quitting)...when you look at things without them (and even with them) it just doesn’t look good at all at the 4 LB spots
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I like your thinking, would see it more like this though:

Butler-Johnson-Thaxton
Crosby-Lawless- Litaker
Emerson-Bennett-Blakely
 
#35
#35
thunder5 said:
I’m not as concerned about DL assuming we transition to the 3-4...

WDE: Butler-Johnson-Thaxton
NT: Crosby-Lawless
SDE: Bennett-Emerson-Litaker

Could use another NT type for sure...and maybe an upgrade in quality at WDE...but all in all I believe we’re okay...
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At this point it's too early to assume all of those guys will be able to meaningfully contribute by 2019 though. Litaker has been injured for two years straight, Bennet may not be a great fit for a 3-4, and Thaxton was a bit of a reach for us as a 4-3 DE. We're gonna have to add some more guys in this class or maybe hit on some JUCOs in the next class to fill out the depth chart enough to be solid heading into 2019.
 
#36
#36
LaagerVol said:
With the offers going out to JUCO and grad transfers it’s obvious Pruitt ain’t just building for the future. He hates losing and wants to win now. I love it.
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Guessing we won’t hear BS from him like “we’re trying to build a program here, not just a team”....
 
#37
#37
Volunteer_Kirby said:
Butch's refusal to recruit more OLmen / LB was really dragging this team down. We should've had a stockpile there, but we've always had bare minimum, it was only when the injuries became too numerous that he had no choice but to recruit those areas. Still Butch preferred to rely on walk ons when he should've been giving younger scholarship guys valuable reps.

Honestly as time goes on I think we're going to see a huge difference between how Pruitt manages a roster and how Butch did it. One guy has learned for years under the best guys in the business. The other guy rode the coattail of his predecessor in Brian Kelly to get where he is and even then, there time together was limited (1 seasons? also the fact that he was demoted from OC to RB coach after Kelly arrived, well, that should've been another red flag).
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Honestly that's the problem roster management....and we list 50 players in 4 years due to attrition...its why we have no depth.....moranic....
 
#38
#38
MADISONGAVOL said:
Honestly that's the problem roster management....and we list 50 players in 4 years due to attrition...its why we have no depth.....moranic....
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I understand where you are coming from, but there is a roster limit. We had a full roster every year. Where do those extra spots come from?
 
#40
#40
1974Vol said:
"we are also scary thin at DL, LB, RB, TE, and QB."

DL - DE is in descent shape but desperately need some SEC caliber DT's and if going to 3-4 there are no NT on the roster
LB - Not good but should get some guys back healthy - Definitely need some help
RB - If Kelly's back not a desperate situation and this is one position freshman can help out at right away
TE - Depends on what the new offense is. If they pan on running many 12 sets then definitely need some help
QB - They have numbers and guys with stars coming out of HS. So either QD and JG are busts or they didn't get good coaching. This position could be okay only time will tell.
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We’re not thin at RB even if Kelly decides to leave early imo. Chandler, CFA and Jordan can each play. And if Kelly comes back, we’re 4 deep. RB just doesn’t belong in this list. All the other positions do imo.
 
#41
#41
TEs are Pope, Wolf, Bumphus, Fant, Brown, Craig, plus whoever we sign (Warren who I'm very excited about)
 
#43
#43
Vols All Day said:
In a 3-4, wouldn't Blakely and Thaxton be outside linebackers?
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Blakely probably. With Thaxton it probably depends on how he fills out his frame. Not sure if he's fluid enough or not.


Not sure either of those guys ever end up contributing much, though.
 
#44
#44
rdk4121 said:
TEs are Pope, Wolf, Bumphus, Fant, Brown, Craig, plus whoever we sign (Warren who I'm very excited about)
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So 4 skinny receiving TEs, one walk-on, and Bumphus. Better hope Bumphus comes along well. He's the only one with the size to be much of an on-the-line blocker.
 
#48
#48
Volnukem said:
I understand where you are coming from, but there is a roster limit. We had a full roster every year. Where do those extra spots come from?
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Going in to 2017 our roster had 11 scholarship WR, including 2 top 200 players who never see the field, not to mention an underutilized 4* JUCO. Why in the world do you need that many receivers?

We had 16 scholarship DB's. Sixteen! Yet we had depth issues back there all year. I understand that EB and TK were injured, but still.

We had 11 LB's on scholarship, yet we still had to play a walk on.

14 scholarship DL. Once again depth issues. Why?

And 14 OL. Not even enough to fill out a 3 deep. And that's before losing Hall and Boulware leaving the team.

There's plenty of room if he manages the numbers at other positions well.
 
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