$20-$40m rosters?

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txbo said:
I get wanting to be a part of it. For those, like you, that contributing brings them joy, I say have at it.

I don't blame the players. I simply don't want to participate.
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I see a whole lot of blaming the players when UT was involved directly or indirectly in lot of the lawsuits that brought us where we are now with multi transfers and no NIL regulation.

If you're pissed, be pissed at UT, not some reasonably gifted teenager who wakes up and all kinds of offers are at his mailbox and in his email. What the heck did he do?

UT apparently thought they could do well in this Wild West and guess what..... we are.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Many of those 698 students will find their non revenue program quietly axed. You'll see an article or two, maybe some brief outrage, then football or basketball or baseball season will overshadow that.

Businesses axe areas that don't make money and, sadly, schools are choosing to treat sports like a business now. If your kid is in a non revenue, not often televised sport, expect that their program will go away.

Shutter programs, up the talent fee, charge more for premium boxes, whatever it takes but they will get the money to pay athletes bringing in $152M a year.
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In what I saw the football program brought in 100M dollars that year, 52M was from the other sports combined. All other sports were in the red with only the football program generating more money that what was spent. I also wonder what 2025 looks like with the sharing with 2 additional SEC schools.

Bottom line, the money is NOT there to pay all the players on the team millions of dollars or equivalents to what the NFL players get - it just isn't. If something doesn't change, there will be just a handful of schools with any sports program and most of them will have football only.

It could be that every team that does field say a basketball team would be in the NCAA because there is not 64 able to afford teams. March Madness - Poof! And baseball is gone!
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I see a whole lot of blaming the players when UT was involved directly or indirectly in lot of the lawsuits that brought us where we are now with multi transfers and no NIL regulation.

If you're pissed, be pissed at UT, not some reasonably gifted teenager who wakes up and all kinds of offers are at his mailbox and in his email. What the heck did he do?

UT apparently thought they could do well in this Wild West and guess what..... we are.
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I believe what happened with Nico is going to make UT rethink things - I suspect lots of schools are close to being over this, as are a lot of fans.
 
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volfan102455 said:
In what I saw the football program brought in 100M dollars that year, 52M was from the other sports combined. All other sports were in the red with only the football program generating more money that what was spent. I also wonder what 2025 looks like with the sharing with 2 additional SEC schools.

Bottom line, the money is NOT there to pay all the players on the team millions of dollars or equivalents to what the NFL players get - it just isn't. If something doesn't change, there will be just a handful of schools with any sports program and most of them will have football only.

It could be that every team that does field say a basketball team would be in the NCAA because there is not 64 able to afford teams. March Madness - Poof! And baseball is gone!
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I'm betting almost all of that 52M came from basketball and baseball, particularly tournament appearances.

Those are the 3 sports that will definitely survive. I believe any other UT sport is potentially on the chopping block. That's very sad, but if UT chooses to treat athletics like a business, business decisions will need to be made which terminate sports that are neither popular nor break even (at least.)
 
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volfan102455 said:
I believe what happened with Nico is going to make UT rethink things - I suspect lots of schools are close to being over this, as are a lot of fans.
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There's no going back. We've been successful, overall, in the NIL era. Spyre was apparently very organized and ready early on and now other programs, with huge alumni bases, are putting a lot of money in NIL.

I don't think schools like Oregon, essentially funded by Phil Knight, will stop until they get a Natty. I don't think Ohio State will let Michigan curb stomp them with NIL. I don't think GA and UT and AL will let TX buy the SEC year after year.

Imagine if KY starts funding NIL very heavily and we back off and lose 3 or 4 years in row. I'm not sure we'll burn a mattress but I think the duvet is toast.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It's actually been like that for some time. I've said repeatedly and posted a video of Joe Namath talking about being offered more than his Dad made in the factory + a new car to play.

In 1960.

Surely you don't believe our 90s teams were recruited with nothing?
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There's a significant difference between 'nothing' and $4,000,000. Nico didn't provide $2,400,000 worth of entertainment last year. He certainly won't this year... well maybe in California, but not in the SEC.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
There's a significant difference between 'nothing' and $4,000,000. Nico didn't provide $2,400,000 worth of entertainment last year. He certainly won't this year... well maybe in California, but not in the SEC.
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Players are recruited, as always, based on potential. When we got Nico, we were pretty dang happy in here. He didn't pan out.

When we picked up Hooker, people in here were saying "we've got Bailey and Maurer. Why?" Even moreso when Milton came. It turns out we needed them.

If Nico had not showed his tail, we'd all be in here wishing good things from Nico next season and talking, mostly positively, about Spring and looking toward Fall practice.

All the money talk is just pointless. If you want QBs with high potential or any player with high potential (that WR Smith at Ohio State comes to mind) you'll pay big money to get them or someone else will outbid you.

Not all of them pan out. Not all the guys we paid under the table panned out either and MANY of the great UT stars of years past MIGHT have transferred out for bigger money if they could've. This "they were loyal back then" talk is because they couldn't transfer for more money easily.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Good for the players. Bad for everyone else. Which is the reverse of what it used to be. I call that poetic justice. Don't whine now if you were quiet before.
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Not really. Those players always got a platform and got to get to the league and make millions. They couldn’t do that without the university and the university couldn’t do it without them. Not much has changed. Now the standouts get paid, and get to the league, all while the average player still gets nothing.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
There's a significant difference between 'nothing' and $4,000,000. Nico didn't provide $2,400,000 worth of entertainment last year. He certainly won't this year... well maybe in California, but not in the SEC.
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But who will be in the stands to se e it?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Find a winner in a real conference with no money.

Imagine UT if we put Vandy money into paying players over the years. Likely VN would have about 1/3 or less of the traffic.

Winning matters. In the SEC winning requires money and quite a bit of money.
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I can pull up alot of seasons in UT history where the money didn't buy the right hookers. Heck, Johnny Majors only had two seasons ever at UT with 10+wins. 16 seasons of what we would now call severe mediocrity. And that would be in the era where you know money was shuffling. Fulmer atleast did a little better. He had 9 double digit win seasons. But, when he didn't have those, he was bad. And there was plenty of brown bag payments under him too. Don't act like big spending ever made us invincible. And whatever money was handed out for Battle, the ROI was just as lackluster. We had 1 double digit win season from 2005 to CJH's 1st in 2022. We have spent a boat load of dark money.

Modern era titles (1967+ for player subsidy arguments):

SEC Titles - 7 (last 1998) Spurrier had 6 on his own in 9 seasons vs our 7 in 31 years.
Natty's - 1 (1998)

Don't act like we ever got a whole lot return on our player investments, or HC selections for that matter. We bleed orange cause we bleed orange. Sure we're top 10 or 12 all time in win percentage, but we been playing for 132 years. And our best years was when players just played and didn't get a thing for it but glory and degree. And without the Generals years, we would definitely be middling in the conference historically. There is a strong argument in the modern era of the 1960's and forward that we have severely under achieved for the money we've spent and the rosters we've had.

As per finding real winners in real conferences with no money, to those small powerhouses fielding championship teams without a payroll, they play their kind in head to head. For them the competition is the same as P4 vs P4 or SEC/SEC. And they're rather fun to watch when they finally get on TV in the playoffs cause they just play the game.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Not really. Those players always got a platform and got to get to the league and make millions. They couldn’t do that without the university and the university couldn’t do it without them. Not much has changed. Now the standouts get paid, and get to the league, all while the average player still gets nothing.
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Very true. And there is so much in that sentence that is not even said. I see likely more lockerroom divisions because of this than when it was more subdued under the table.
 
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OSU at $22MM last year. At this rate, in a couple of years National Championship rosters will run $60-$70MM, tickets will run $250 per game, and a coke at the game will run $20.
 
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