'20 VA C Dylan Cardwell

[bleedingTNorange]

Any player that averages 20min a game on a natty team is a winning caliber player. We all know Fulky is that now but he wasn’t his first 3 years here. Now it’s worth arguing his injury cost him being that type player but none the less he wasn’t a winning player until now.

And Key wasn’t at Bama, he joined a much better team in Virginia...and what are they this year?

 

[BruinVol]

And Key wasn’t at Bama?

Well of course he was and he shined there. What’s interesting is he hasn’t developed as a scorer but he’s one very key member of their team right now. Hell of a rebounder and good assist guy. He’s a very good player for them now. Still right at a double digit scorer just can’t shoot

 

[The Dog]

U all know I love Cardwell and want to add him to this class. I think Pember has skills and would like to see him in 2 years after red-shirting, hitting the weight room and practicing with the team. I don't think Corey Walker will get 20 minutes, but I think he can play and is more SEC ready than any of this years Freshmen and I'm including JJJ. If I didn't think Keon was JRich 2.0 and will end up being a Vols legend, Walker would be my favorite player in this upcoming class. Walker gets at least 10 a game, imo

 

[Namorto1]

I think those talking about Cardwell as if he’s a missing piece on next years team are a bit misguided...big guys ranked similarly in 2019:

Donta Scott 21.6mpg 5.9ppg 3.6rpg
Chandler Lawson 19.5mpg 4.5ppg 3.9rpg
Qudus Wahab 14.5mpg 5.4ppg 4.2rpg
Malcolm Dandridge 13.2mpg 3.4ppg 3.0rpg
Makhel Mitchell 6.8mpg 1.0ppg 2.3rpg
Dylan Disu 26.6mpg 7.3ppg 5.5rpg
Ismael Massoud 12.5mpg 5.0ppg 2.1rpg
Daniel Ramsey 3.0mpg 2.0ppg 1.0rpg


Average: 14.7mpg 4.3ppg 3.2rpg

That’s about what ORN is averaging on the year and many have been disappointed with him, given another year I would imagine ORN probably can beat those numbers.

I’m not saying any of this to downplay Cardwell, I think he’s a good prospect and would be a great get, but I think he’s a guy you ideally can redshirt or that you don’t count on year 1...not a guy that makes us a legitimate F4 team. IMO if that is what you are looking for then you are looking for a graduate transfer like a Kerry Blackshear, 27mpg 13ppg 8rpg.

Honest post. I saw one poster who claimed he would make us a final 4 contender, which is orange pie in the sky logic. Clearly however, we get pushed around with current squad against certain teams. Someone like Cardwell wouldn’t start and may not even average beyond 10 minutes per game, but we need someone who can push back against physical teams. Garbage buckets, rebounding, and another shot blocker would be welcomed. Plavsic will improve but he doesn’t check any of these boxes yet and he likely has a long way to go. I trust ORN more than Plavsic at this point and he is undersized as a 5.

 

[Namorto1]

Again, I’m all for Cardwell, I just don’t think you have to run off Pember to have room.

Not sure why Pember is getting so much grief. I think he has good upside as a stretch 4 and for the limited time he has played seems to have a nose for the ball. He just needs strength and a redshirt year would help him.

 

[Roustabout]

Not sure how Cardwell who sat this entire HS year is a better prospect than Pember who is on the team and has a year in the system under his belt now.

If there's a solid grad transfer option though and we have a spot I'd also agree that's a better route. Nothing in the cards says Dylan won't be next year's "1/3" or Kent.

You’ve got to be kidding? Cardwell is a big, physical post as opposed to Pember who is a tall wing.

 

[The Dog]

Cardwell is exactly what next year's team needs, imo. Even if it's just 10 minutes a game. He's a thicker, farther along, Kyle Alexander with a mean streak. Sitting out a year, could hurt his development, but I think this kid is worth taking even if he has to take a redshirt. Unless, of course, Barnes and company absolutely know they have one of these 5 star kids and/or high 4 star, top 50 '21 players, UT keeps having take visits, locked up. Paolo and/or Jabari Smith would please me and if UT gets Paolo, I think Kennedy Chandler comes with him or at least, UTs chances increase. Those 3 are my dream class right now, for '21

 

[MoCo_Vol]

You’ve got to be kidding? Cardwell is a big, physical post as opposed to Pember who is a tall wing.

It's like ya'll actively try to miss the point...

My point is simply a player that's -already- on the team and has a full year of SEC D1 conditioning & practice on the court is a more valuable scholarship holder than yet another big, post player (like Kent, Burns, & Walker) who is an unknown. Cardwell is rated lower than Olivier, he hasn't played in over a year and we don't even have an open scholarship for this class (at the moment).

Uros, Fulky, Pons, Olivier, Walker (incoming) with more time in S&C programming, another off-season of practice and film study are going to improve. With how the 2021 class is shaping up and potentially being in on far superior post talent I'd rather not kick Pember off the team to make room for Cardwell who we have no idea if he'd even survive Barnes' "fat camp" cause there's no doubt he'll be well behind the 8-ball having not even played this season of HS ball.

Now if a scholarship opens up naturally (Jalen Johnson grad transferring or foregoing his 5th season) then as BTO said, would rather get a more proven post in the grad transfer pool.

 

[BruinVol]

It's like ya'll actively try to miss the point...

My point is simply a player that's -already- on the team and has a full year of SEC D1 conditioning & practice on the court is a more valuable scholarship holder than yet another big, post player (like Kent, Burns, & Walker) who is an unknown. .

wait you are saying Kent is a more valuable scholarship holder than an unknown because he has a year with the team?

 

[whodeycin85]

wait you are saying Kent is a more valuable scholarship holder than an unknown because he has a year with the team?

I dont speak for MoCo. But An uninjured kent. Yes....we have no idea if he could have been good or not

 

[BruinVol]

I dont speak for MoCo. But An uninjured kent. Yes....we have no idea if he could have been good or not

Oh we have an idea.
It’s crystal clear

 

[Roustabout]

It's like ya'll actively try to miss the point...

My point is simply a player that's -already- on the team and has a full year of SEC D1 conditioning & practice on the court is a more valuable scholarship holder than yet another big, post player (like Kent, Burns, & Walker) who is an unknown. Cardwell is rated lower than Olivier, he hasn't played in over a year and we don't even have an open scholarship for this class (at the moment).

Uros, Fulky, Pons, Olivier, Walker (incoming) with more time in S&C programming, another off-season of practice and film study are going to improve. With how the 2021 class is shaping up and potentially being in on far superior post talent I'd rather not kick Pember off the team to make room for Cardwell who we have no idea if he'd even survive Barnes' "fat camp" cause there's no doubt he'll be well behind the 8-ball having not even played this season of HS ball.

Now if a scholarship opens up naturally (Jalen Johnson grad transferring or foregoing his 5th season) then as BTO said, would rather get a more proven post in the grad transfer pool.

I’m not saying Cardwell is the only option, but I know Pember is not a post. Period.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I’m not saying Cardwell is the only option, but I know Pember is not a post. Period.

Never said he was. Period.

I'll just say this I'm not prepared to "trade" Pember for Cardwell. Mostly because I am not sold that Cardwell is any less of a developmental player. IF the staff is going to git shirt Pember I just want someone more ready to contribute immediately. But I also just don't think this staff is the type to send kids packing for no good reason.

 

[BruinVol]

Never said he was. Period.

I'll just say this I'm not prepared to "trade" Pember for Cardwell. Mostly because I am not sold that Cardwell is any less of a developmental player. IF the staff is going to git shirt Pember I just want someone more ready to contribute immediately. But I also just don't think this staff is the type to send kids packing for no good reason.

I can respect that take for sure and I agree that the staff won’t send Pember packing. It’s clear they don’t do that and I respect the hell out of that loyalty. But there is a price to pay for it and I think being 17-14 is the price we are paying for keeping Kent so long

 

[walkenvol]

I can respect that take for sure and I agree that the staff won’t send Pember packing. It’s clear they don’t do that and I respect the hell out of that loyalty. But there is a price to pay for it and I think being 17-14 is the price we are paying for keeping Kent so long

Or missing on Burns, or missing on Walker, or missing on Blackshear, or the 2 juniors declaring early, or losing LT to injury, or Bowden losing his shot for half the season - can’t use one of many roster moves and declare “that’s the reason we only won 17 games”

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I can respect that take for sure and I agree that the staff won’t send Pember packing. It’s clear they don’t do that and I respect the hell out of that loyalty. But there is a price to pay for it and I think being 17-14 is the price we are paying for keeping Kent so long

I absolutely agree on Kent. Not sure why we held on to him so long.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Or missing on Burns, or missing on Walker, or missing on Blackshear, or the 2 juniors declaring early, or losing LT to injury, or Bowden losing his shot for half the season - can’t use one of many roster moves and declare “that’s the reason we only won 17 games”

Honestly when I look at it from a top down view I'm amazed we went 17-14 (9-9) with how things went down.

1. Lose Bone & Grant (although I think the staff was prepared to lose Grant)
2. Lose Lanier
3. Miss on Blackshear (that recruitment went down to the wire too so we didn't have much time to make up ground elsewhere after missing)
4. Walker & Burns both transfer out
5. Kent debacle
6. Uros not being eligible until half the season had passed
7. Turner injury issues & leaving
8. James not being completely healthy really any this season
9. Bowden's worse shooting season in his career


Honestly just happy Pons, Bowden, Fulkerson were as healthy as they were all year. Being able to add Santiago really helped keep us above 500 too I think.

 

[CNeagleVolFan]

U all know I love Cardwell and want to add him to this class. I think Pember has skills and would like to see him in 2 years after red-shirting, hitting the weight room and practicing with the team. I don't think Corey Walker will get 20 minutes, but I think he can play and is more SEC ready than any of this years Freshmen and I'm including JJJ. If I didn't think Keon was JRich 2.0 and will end up being a Vols legend, Walker would be my favorite player in this upcoming class. Walker gets at least 10 a game, imo

Not to mention Jaden Springer too! Anything less than 22 wins next year is a disappointment IMO

 

[CNeagleVolFan]

Not to mention Jaden Springer too! Anything less than 22 wins next year is a disappointment IMO

Also looking past next season I’m very intrigued. Springer and Johnson have one and done potential, but look at what’s coming back even after next season. I think James would have to be incredible next season to leave early, so I think he will be a 3 year guy. Without knowing the recruits coming in after next year we have IMO; James, Vescovi, Walker Jr, and I believe Victor Bailey as a senior will be back. So that’s what we have the potential to have even after next year headlining our team. This season will be our last mediocre season for a long long time IMO.

 

[gainesvol82]

Not sure why Pember is getting so much grief. I think he has good upside as a stretch 4 and for the limited time he has played seems to have a nose for the ball. He just needs strength and a redshirt year would help him.

Don't think he will ever have the frame to ever be any kind of 4. More like a very long 3.

The problem with him is that any mismatch his height creates on offset by his inability to keep wings in front of him on defense.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Don't think he will ever have the frame to ever be any kind of 4. More like a very long 3.

The problem with him is that any mismatch his height creates on offset by his inability to keep wings in front of him on defense.

Not saying the two are the same type of player etc. but I see Pember as someone who could develop into a similar player that Fulkerson has become. Although I think Pember's shot is better already so he'd need to develop his interior game and back to the basket game.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I can respect that take for sure and I agree that the staff won’t send Pember packing. It’s clear they don’t do that and I respect the hell out of that loyalty. But there is a price to pay for it and I think being 17-14 is the price we are paying for keeping Kent so long

Why do you do that? Say things with such tunnel vision?

If Bone and Williams returns and we are Top 15 nationally does that change holding on to Kent?

What if Plavsic is eligible all year and we are dancing?

What if James doesn’t suffer an injury and we are dancing?

What if Turner is healthy and we are dancing?

What if we land Blackshear in the off-season and are dancing?

Acting as if there are no other factors involved in going 17-14, and making it seem as if the sole reason we are 17-14 is because of Zach Kent is just a really weird take.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Why do you do that? Say things with such tunnel vision?

If Bone and Williams returns and we are Top 15 nationally does that change holding on to Kent?

What if Plavsic is eligible all year and we are dancing?

What if James doesn’t suffer an injury and we are dancing?

What if Turner is healthy and we are dancing?

What if we land Blackshear in the off-season and are dancing?

Acting as if there are no other factors involved in going 17-14, and making it seem as if the sole reason we are 17-14 is because of Zach Kent is just a really weird take.

It's because Kent was the only thing Barnes had any control over I think. If you're going to cherry pick something about this season to hold over Barnes' that'd be the only one he had any sort of control over.

 

[gainesvol82]

Not saying the two are the same type of player etc. but I see Pember as someone who could develop into a similar player that Fulkerson has become. Although I think Pember's shot is better already so he'd need to develop his interior game and back to the basket game.

Pember's feet are nowhere near as quick and he has no elevation. I don't think he will ever work as a post unless he gains 70 pounds.

The people talking about Fulky not being athletic really are describing Pember. That said, I do think he has upside with his shooting and dribbling ability. If I was Pember and or Barnes, I'd be trying to Max out his physical abilities and turn him into a shorter Dirk Nowitzki.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Pember's feet are nowhere near as quick and he has no elevation. I don't think he will ever work as a post unless he gains 70 pounds.

The people talking about Fulky not being athletic really are describing Pember. That said, I do think he has upside with his shooting and dribbling ability. If I was Pember and or Barnes, I'd be trying to Max out his physical abilities and turn him into a shorter Dirk Nowitzki.

"Shorter" kid's only 18/19...he could still grow a bit.

I think Pember is more athletic than Uros, but agree his interior game would be less explosive than Fulkerson's. I just don't think he can become quick enough to guard the wing (Pember I mean).