2004 Peyton Manning -vs- 2007 Tom Brady

Who had the better season?

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Who had the better season?

Peyton Manning (2004):

336 of 497 for 4,557 yards, 49 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. Quarterback Rating: 121.1

Tom Brady (2007):

398 of 578 for 4,806 yards, 50 touchdowns and 8 interceptions. Quarterback Rating: 117.2
 
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Manning was more efficient. He has almost the same # of TDs on a lot fewer attempts.
 
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Tom's is so cool cause he hit 50 TD's (I think actually 53, wasn't it?), but they were blowing people out. Manning played less in blowouts, and ended up with less pass attempts. He throws more TD's than Brady with the same number of attempts, ceterus peribus.

I think Brady has the advantage when you consider the offense around him, too. Moss, Welker, Stallworth, Graham, and Watson was a sick set of pass-catchers. The teams had very similar results in rushing attack, but the edge in OL definitely goes to the Patriots.
 
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nbakerld said:
I think Brady has the advantage when you consider the offense around him, too. Moss, Welker, Stallworth, Graham, and Watson was a sick set of pass-catchers. The teams had very similar results in rushing attack, but the edge in OL definitely goes to the Patriots.
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Respectfully, I disagree with everything in this statement when comparing personnel.

The Patriots offensive personnel were not better than Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokley, Marcus Pollard, Dallas Clark, and Edgerrin James. The Colts offense was absolutely elite.

And the the Colts OL was incredible at the time, as well. Saturday, Diem, Scott, Tarik Glenn...
 
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not to mention peyton sat more during the season. I think he didn't even play the last game that year
 
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Brady threw for a greater completion %, Manning threw for more YPA. Manning also had a Pro Bowl RB in the backfield to allow for a more balanced attack. Each had comparable offensive personnel, with, IMO, the slight edge going to the Colts overall.

IMO, there's no clear winner. Two of the greatest single season performances in NFL history, and neither won the Super Bowl in those years.
 
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HSVol said:
Respectfully, I disagree with everything in this statement when comparing personnel.

The Patriots offensive personnel were not better than Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokley, Marcus Pollard, Dallas Clark, and Edgerrin James. The Colts offense was absolutely elite.

And the the Colts OL was incredible at the time, as well. Saturday, Diem, Scott, Tarik Glenn...
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Edge, Stokely, and Pollard did pretty much nothing with other franchises, so how good were they really? I think Edge was legit, but Manning made Stokely and Pollard.

Pollard had 6 TD's in 2004 (13 games) and then left the team. He didn't even get 6 TD's over the next 4 seasons.

Also, the Pat's 4th WR, Jabar Gaffney >>>>>>> Aaron Moorehead

Moss > Harrison
Welker < Wayne
Stallworth > Stokely
Gaffney > Moorhead
Watson = Clark

Apparently Graham had left the team in 2006, so scratch him. I know I'm going to get toasted for saying Watson = Clark, but seriously Clark is a product of Peyton Manning. Look at all the TE's Manning has made: Dilger, Pollard, Clark, and Tamme. Tamme put up Clark's numbers. Also Clark is annually in the race for most drops. He's terribly overrated. Watson went on to prove himself with 68 catches last year in Cleveland with a rookie QB.

FWIW, Welker, Moss, and Stallworth proven their value with other QB's. Wayne, Harrison, and Stokely have not.
 
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Harrison was great, but I feel like he was a product of the system somewhat. As far as raw ability, he's wasn't in the same league as the likes of Moss, TO, Fitzgerald, etc IMO.
 
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chavisut said:
Harrison was great, but I feel like he was a product of the system somewhat. As far as raw ability, he's wasn't in the same league as the likes of Moss, TO, Fitzgerald, etc IMO.
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I agree. He would have been great with anybody, but Manning was the greatest thing that could've happened to him. Moss was a proven commodity, even with bad/old QB's (not so much in Oakland).
 
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nbakerld said:
Edge, Stokely, and Pollard did pretty much nothing with other franchises, so how good were they really? I think Edge was legit, but Manning made Stokely and Pollard.

Pollard had 6 TD's in 2004 (13 games) and then left the team. He didn't even get 6 TD's over the next 4 seasons.

Also, the Pat's 4th WR, Jabar Gaffney >>>>>>> Aaron Moorehead

Moss > Harrison
Welker < Wayne
Stallworth > Stokely
Gaffney > Moorhead
Watson = Clark

Apparently Graham had left the team in 2006, so scratch him. I know I'm going to get toasted for saying Watson = Clark, but seriously Clark is a product of Peyton Manning. Look at all the TE's Manning has made: Dilger, Pollard, Clark, and Tamme. Tamme put up Clark's numbers. Also Clark is annually in the race for most drops. He's terribly overrated. Watson went on to prove himself with 68 catches last year in Cleveland with a rookie QB.

FWIW, Welker, Moss, and Stallworth proven their value with other QB's. Wayne, Harrison, and Stokely have not.
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Good discussion. Stokley was a very solid slot receiver for the Ravens before he came over to the Colts, though. I don't want to compare the 4th WR. I still think Clark is really good.

Anyway, both seasons were special. I agree, had Peyton played that final game, he'd probably still have the record (until all records fall after this season is complete).
 
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HSVol said:
Good discussion. Stokley was a very solid slot receiver for the Ravens before he came over to the Colts, though. I don't want to compare the 4th WR. I still think Clark is really good.

Anyway, both seasons were special. I agree, had Peyton played that final game, he'd probably still have the record (until all records fall after this season is complete).
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You're right. Stokley was solid (about 25 catches/season as a young Raven), but Manning made him into a star. I believe he had 1000 and 10 in 2004 (so did Wayne, and Harrison).
 
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nbakerld said:
Edge, Stokely, and Pollard did pretty much nothing with other franchises, so how good were they really? I think Edge was legit, but Manning made Stokely and Pollard.

Pollard had 6 TD's in 2004 (13 games) and then left the team. He didn't even get 6 TD's over the next 4 seasons.

Also, the Pat's 4th WR, Jabar Gaffney >>>>>>> Aaron Moorehead

Moss > Harrison
Welker < Wayne
Stallworth > Stokely
Gaffney > Moorhead
Watson = Clark

Apparently Graham had left the team in 2006, so scratch him. I know I'm going to get toasted for saying Watson = Clark, but seriously Clark is a product of Peyton Manning. Look at all the TE's Manning has made: Dilger, Pollard, Clark, and Tamme. Tamme put up Clark's numbers. Also Clark is annually in the race for most drops. He's terribly overrated. Watson went on to prove himself with 68 catches last year in Cleveland with a rookie QB.

FWIW, Welker, Moss, and Stallworth proven their value with other QB's. Wayne, Harrison, and Stokely have not.
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LT is was great in San Diego but has done almost nothing for New York. I mean, how good is he really?
 
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HSVol said:
According to Pro Football Reference, Manning started 16 games.

2004 Indianapolis Colts Statistics & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com

EDIT: Box score reveals PM didn't throw a TD pass in the final game against the Broncos. I stand corrected. :hi:
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Yes. Peyton started all 16 games and threw at least one completion in all 16 games in order to keep all those streaks running. However, in his final regular season game, he came out after the first completion. The rest of those passing stats for that game were Jim Sorgi - hence the loss. Peyton also sat out at least the 4th quarter of three other games that season when they were pounding their opponents. That's why Jim Sorgi played in 4 games that season. Brady did not sit out when they were up big. They just continued to try to run up the score the entire game.
 
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Vol423 said:
Yes. Peyton started all 16 games and threw at least one completion in all 16 games in order to keep all those streaks running. However, in his final regular season game, he came out after the first completion. The rest of those passing stats for that game were Jim Sorgi - hence the loss. Peyton also sat out at least the 4th quarter of three other games that season when they were pounding their opponents. That's why Jim Sorgi played in 4 games that season. Brady did not sit out when they were up big. They just continued to try to run up the score the entire game.
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Roger that. :salute:
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
LT is was great in San Diego but has done almost nothing for New York. I mean, how good is he really?
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Edge went to the Cardinals at age 28 after going for 1506 yards in 2005.

LT went to the Jets at age 31 after going for 730 yards in 2009. LT actually had a better year at New York.

There is no comparison.
 
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Brady facts:

*Hit the 2nd highest QB rating in NFL history

*He Topped Manning's record of 49 touchdowns in a single season which was regarded as the top season performances of all time by NFL's TOP 10 with 50!

*He won the NFL MVP award and brought the patriots to one of the first undefeated seasons.

*He is better looking than Manning
 
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