2006 UT Defense vs. 2006 Bama Defense

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Seems that both UT and Bama have almost identical issues re: replacing 7 starters from a 2005 defense that was stellar. How do the rest of you see the adjustments to this (new personnel, depth, strengths, weaknesses) stacking up among both these squads? Predictions as to which unit will be better?

IMO, CJC and Joe Kines are the best coordinators in the league. I think both will be good in 06, but I tend to believe Bama will be a little better, at least statistically.
 
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(Duckhook @ Aug 6 said:
Seems that both UT and Bama have almost identical issues re: replacing 7 starters from a 2005 defense that was stellar. How do the rest of you see the adjustments to this (new personnel, depth, strengths, weaknesses) stacking up among both these squads? Predictions as to which unit will be better?

IMO, CJC and Joe Kines are the best coordinators in the league. I think both will be good in 06, but I tend to believe Bama will be a little better, at least statistically.
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Joe Kines=The most overrated coordinator in the SEC. Ask the Georgia fans how brilliant he is.
 
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I'll never forget how sad Kines looked as a head coach roaming the Arkansas sidelines with Danny Ford standing right behind him. The whole world knew who was going to get that job.
 
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I think we'll be just fine. We do lose those players, but we brought in a great JUCO DE(he'll be back in September) and bring back a great DT in Mapu(he'll regain his form by UF). Not to mention, the way we play our DL, we have about 8 experienced DL coming back. Our DL will be pretty strong this year. Our secondary returns 6 guys that played alot last year and will be tops in the SEC. The question mark is our LBs. They don't lack talent, but they lack experience. They are also extremely fast for a LB corps.

New Personnel-Walter Fisher(DE), JT Mapu (DT), Rico McCoy(LB)
Depth-AT LEAST, 5 deep at DE and DT, 5 deep at LB, and 6 deep at DB
Strengths-Pass Rushing(blitzing and non) and secondary play
Weaknesses-Inexperience at LB
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Aug 6 said:
I think we'll be just fine. We do lose those players, but we brought in a great JUCO DE(he'll be back in September) and bring back a great DT in Mapu(he'll regain his form by UF). Not to mention, the way we play our DL, we have about 8 experienced DL coming back. Our DL will be pretty strong this year. Our secondary returns 6 guys that played alot last year and will be tops in the SEC. The question mark is our LBs. They don't lack talent, but they lack experience. They are also extremely fast for a LB corps.

New Personnel-Walter Fisher(DE), JT Mapu (DT), Rico McCoy(LB)
Depth-AT LEAST, 5 deep at DE and DT, 5 deep at LB, and 6 deep at DB
Strengths-Pass Rushing(blitzing and non) and secondary play
Weaknesses-Inexperience at LB
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I agree with the assessment, and also think UT may be more talented at linebacker than they have been in quite some time, the youngsters will have more assignments against Cal and UF than in any other games this season. They will have to be mentally prepared.
 
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We have plenty of talent and, for the first time in a while, a big MLB. They just have to have the detail and mental preparation down in less than a month.
 
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Kines has proved to be a better coach than Chavis over the past 2 years. UT has had better talent and depth, but Bama has been on top in stats. So this year will be the deciding factor on whether Kines is overrated or not (having to replace a bundle of NFL draftees).
 
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(redrolltide3 @ Aug 6 said:
Kines has proved to be a better coach than Chavis over the past 2 years. UT has had better talent and depth, but Bama has been on top in stats. So this year will be the deciding factor on whether Kines is overrated or not (having to replace a bundle of NFL draftees).
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Let's see... 'bama had a bundle of NFL draftees and you try to say the Vols had better talent on D last year... the secondary was still questionable through most of the season. :crazy:
 
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(redrolltide3 @ Aug 6 said:
Kines has proved to be a better coach than Chavis over the past 2 years. UT has had better talent and depth, but Bama has been on top in stats. So this year will be the deciding factor on whether Kines is overrated or not (having to replace a bundle of NFL draftees).
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Given the joke of a nonconference schedule Alabama plays, coupled with games against Ole Miss and Mississippi, I would hope they would come up with impressive defensive stats.
 
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(GAVol @ Aug 6 said:
I'll never forget how sad Kines looked as a head coach roaming the Arkansas sidelines with Danny Ford standing right behind him. The whole world knew who was going to get that job.
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I thought that was wonderfully Machiavellian.
 
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O, and for the curious, here would be the players at position:

DE(6)
McBride
Ayers
X. Mitchell
Reynolds
Fisher
G. Williams

DT(6)
McBride
Harrell
Mapu
Bolden
D. Williams
McGlothlin

LB(5)
M. Mitchell
Mayo
McCoy
Karl
Wilson/Mathis/Davis/Myers-White

DB(6)
Wade
Inky
Stewart
Hefney
Morley
Fellows
 
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(rwemyss @ Aug 6 said:
Let's see... 'bama had a bundle of NFL draftees and you try to say the Vols had better talent on D last year... the secondary was still questionable through most of the season. :crazy:
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bammer logic, gotta love it!

 
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I can understand in part what he was talking about. If we had not had such a bad year, Simon, Gaither, Mahelona, and Haralson would have been drafted pretty highly. Hall may have been drafted as well. We also have quite a bit of players still on the squad that may be drafted(some pretty high).
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Aug 6 said:
I can understand in part what he was talking about. If we had not had such a bad year, Simon, Gaither, Mahelona, and Haralson would have been drafted pretty highly. Hall may have been drafted as well. We also have quite a bit of players still on the squad that may be drafted(some pretty high).
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As much as everyone wants to complain about recruiting and our record last season, that doesn't ever matter to the NFL. Best talent will still get on the field there.
 
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(utvolpj @ Aug 6 said:
As much as everyone wants to complain about recruiting and our record last season, that doesn't ever matter to the NFL. Best talent will still get on the field there.
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Exactly. Wins get you more exposure but if you can run and hit the scouts will probably find you.

I think there will be no question that UT will have a better D than Bama. Bama is built for speed, pursuing, gang tackling and clogging the gaps. UT is more of a mash 'em in the damn nose and control the man in front of you D. Plus they have got speed which is always a plus. Come this fall, I expect to see UT run the ball all over Bama. I'm afraid my boys will look like they came to play wearing roller skates.

Thats one of the things that pisses me off about CPF. When he is hammering somebody with the running game, he usually lets up and starts throwing the ball around. That works to the strength of a D like Bama's. When you are successful running the ball, keep doing it! Two examples - 1) Nebraska during Osborne's era, specifically the 90's. We are gonna run the ball on every damn down. Are you man enough to stop it? 2) Super Bowl XXVIII Dallas vs. Buffalo. After halftime the cowboys had an 8 play, 60+ yard drive to score. They ran the same running play everytime! They were physically superior and proved it on every play of that drive. Just like Nebraska did to Florida and UT in the late 90's. If your strength (running game) is their weakness (run D) then buckle down and hammer them until the cows come home. Then butcher the cows and have a BBQ!
 
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(bamabobo @ Aug 6 said:
Exactly. Wins get you more exposure but if you can run and hit the scouts will probably find you.

I think there will be no question that UT will have a better D than Bama. Bama is built for speed, pursuing, gang tackling and clogging the gaps. UT is more of a mash 'em in the damn nose and control the man in front of you D. Plus they have got speed which is always a plus. Come this fall, I expect to see UT run the ball all over Bama. I'm afraid my boys will look like they came to play wearing roller skates.

Thats one of the things that pisses me off about CPF. When he is hammering somebody with the running game, he usually lets up and starts throwing the ball around. That works to the strength of a D like Bama's. When you are successful running the ball, keep doing it! Two examples - 1) Nebraska during Osborne's era, specifically the 90's. We are gonna run the ball on every damn down. Are you man enough to stop it? 2) Super Bowl XXVIII Dallas vs. Buffalo. After halftime the cowboys had an 8 play, 60+ yard drive to score. They ran the same running play everytime! They were physically superior and proved it on every play of that drive. Just like Nebraska did to Florida and UT in the late 90's. If your strength (running game) is their weakness (run D) then buckle down and hammer them until the cows come home. Then butcher the cows and have a BBQ!
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Pretty good points comin from a bammer :p
 
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(redrolltide3 @ Aug 6 said:
Kines has proved to be a better coach than Chavis over the past 2 years. UT has had better talent and depth, but Bama has been on top in stats. So this year will be the deciding factor on whether Kines is overrated or not (having to replace a bundle of NFL draftees).
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Hate to agree with a Bammer, but you are correct. It wasn't Cory Anderson's fumble that lost the Bama game in '05 but rather Chavis's defense not stopping the Bama drive for the winning FG. Same thing with the South Carolina and Vandy debacles, giving up winning TD's in the fourth quarter. Also don't forget the meltdown of the defense against ND after the offense had rallied to tie the score.

I would have to rate Chavis about middle of the pack in the SEC as a defensive coordinator who has enjoyed having a lot of talent but over the years has been humiliated by the likes of Steve Spurrior, Mark Richt, Nick Saban (Can anyone ever forget the 2001 Sec C'ship). Joe Kines is a better coach.
 
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You can't seriously be blaming a 6-3 loss on the defense?
 
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(rockydoc @ Aug 6 said:
Hate to agree with a Bammer, but you are correct. It wasn't Cory Anderson's fumble that lost the Bama game in '05 but rather Chavis's defense not stopping the Bama drive for the winning FG. Same thing with the South Carolina and Vandy debacles, giving up winning TD's in the fourth quarter. Also don't forget the meltdown of the defense against ND after the offense had rallied to tie the score.

I would have to rate Chavis about middle of the pack in the SEC as a defensive coordinator who has enjoyed having a lot of talent but over the years has been humiliated by the likes of Steve Spurrior, Mark Richt, Nick Saban (Can anyone ever forget the 2001 Sec C'ship). Joe Kines is a better coach.
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:blink:
 
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(GAVol @ Aug 6 said:
You can't seriously be blaming a 6-3 loss on the defense?
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The one thing I didn't like was our inability to stop DJ Hall. On his big reception at the end of the game, Antonio Gaines was covering him. I feel like he was 80% of their offense that day and we should have doubled up on him or at least stuck a more reliable DB on him. Still, one defensive miscue should be expected in a 60 minute game. 40 offensive miscues should not.
 
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(kptvol @ Aug 7 said:
Still, one defensive miscue should be expected in a 60 minute game. 40 offensive miscues should not.
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Exactly . . . I'd argue that 90% of the bad things that happened on defense were caused by them getting hung out to dry by the offense and leaving them on the field too long with no margin for error. I think a case can be made that the defense could be blamed for the Vandy loss, but other than that . . .
 
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