2016 In State DE Emmit Gooden Commits

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Another thing that we should consider is that towards the end of the season we were starting either our 3rd or 4th string QB due to injuries. Our lack of offensive production with Dobbs (not down on him because he was a true Fr in a tough situation) was part of the reason that those losses towards the end turned into blowouts. It's also imo THE reason vandy was even close to us at the end of that game.
 
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IndianaVolunteer said:
Not in anyway defending bUTch or the results of the year. But I think people forget the state of the program is in after these last 5 years.

1) Team 117 faced the nation's toughest schedule based off opponent winning percentage (.658)

2) That same schedule included 7 teams ranked at kickoff & 5 of the top 10 teams in the final BCS standings.

3) Tennessee played 15 true freshmen and 9 RS freshmen.

4) We lost 4 future NFL players in 2012. (Bray, Rivera, Hunter, CP).



My analysis is you can't expect a guy coming into a situation like this to blow everyone away. How do you expect a team with yet again new coordinators, coaches, philosophies, etc. to perform at a high caliber in such a short time frame? The SEC is the best conference in college football and as a program the last 5 years this team has been in a "state of emergency" regarding it's usual place in CFB. Obviously losing Bray (knucklehead or not) and our talented receivers hurt. If they would have stayed I bet we win 8 games. That said, although this team went 5-7 missing a bowl, getting blown out by FAR SUPERIOR TEAMS, etc. This same team still managed to register their best rushing total since 2004 with an OL that was a more finesse pass happy group rather than road graters. Jmo TIFWIW :hi:

With that said, I do expect a bowl game this year. 6-6 at worst, 7-5 at best.



Edit: We also had a significant improvement on special teams. Palardy was reliable for the first time and punted extremely well as well. Do you remember who he praised for that? We also had a blocked punt RT for a TD as we all know and pressured punts a lot more than previous years. There was improvement, regardless of the W-L column. The fUTure is bright.
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How can you defend last year and say we will be better next year? We lost EVERY lineman!
 
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Um let's see.

Better qb play. All a year older and another year in this system.

Dramatically better wide receivers both in quantity and quality. Remember North was out the last few games of the year.

Dramatically better db's , faster and more depth.

Dramatically better and faster lbs.

Best running back class in the country.

Dl as good or better than last year although young.

We lost our line and there will be talent we will miss - but the new guys are quicker and better fitted to Butch's offense than the guys that just graduated. Next yrs team will be better and the 2015 team will be very good.
 
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BOP said:
How can you defend last year and say we will be better next year? We lost EVERY lineman!
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Schedule is not as tough. Still tough nonetheless but our OOC isn't against a top 5 team (Oregon). On the offensive line I see where you are coming from, but I believe they will be okay. A lot of them have gotten their feet wet as well and have experience playing it's not like they are being thrown out there.

But please, please tell me how or why we would miss our DL. What place in the SEC did we ranks in sacks? How much pressure could we get even with sending extra defenders, and how did McCullers play? The defensive line was weak sauce man, how can you defend them? The DL will be equivalent to last year or better. Vereen, Williams will be good on the outside and have already shown potential will given the chance. Also having Maggitt back will help with pressure therefore helping the DL as well. :twocents:
 
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IndianaVolunteer said:
Schedule is not as tough. Still tough nonetheless but our OOC isn't against a top 5 team (Oregon). On the offensive line I see where you are coming from, but I believe they will be okay. A lot of them have gotten their feet wet as well and have experience playing it's not like they are being thrown out there.

But please, please tell me how or why we would miss our DL. What place in the SEC did we ranks in sacks? How much pressure could we get even with sending extra defenders, and how did McCullers play? The defensive line was weak sauce man, how can you defend them? The DL will be equivalent to last year or better. Vereen, Williams will be good on the outside and have already shown potential will given the chance. Also having Maggitt back will help with pressure therefore helping the DL as well. :twocents:
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Schedule hasn't gotten a bit better. We traded at Oregon for at Oklahoma which returns most everybody off a team that kicked Bama all over the field.
 
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wtorange said:
Schedule hasn't gotten a bit better. We traded at Oregon for at Oklahoma which returns most everybody off a team that kicked Bama all over the field.
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You're right, forgot about that swap.

OK is a lot more managable than Oregon. More winable, no. Oregon scores fast and often sucking the life out of a team before they even break a sweat. Oklahoma will be a great team though. Also, i realize they beat bama but bama looked liked they didn't even want to be there. All they wanted and cared about was a Natty.
 
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Sandvol said:
Not highly impressed with Jones overall as a coach-yet. But, it is difficult to deny his ability as a recruiter. Appears to be as good or better than Fulmer so far. I hope he proves to be a better developer and tactician.
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....and disciplinarian.
 
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KBVol said:
Perhaps I can help. 4 embarrassing blowout losses to the best teams we played (Oregon, Bama, Mizzou, Auburn) and a bad loss with a bowl game on the line vs Vandy. I love the guy, he's been phenomenal off the field. Not sold yet with him on the field after a small sample size. The team has to be much more competitive before we can make a judgment IMO.
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Did you forget about South Carolina? They finished the season ranked higher than Oregon, Bama, and Mizzou. Butch completely out coached the great Spurrier in that game. SC would have played for the SEC title had UT not upset them.

Beating and out coaching the legendary Spurrier doesn't happen that often at UT. Spurrier is a tricky bastard who always finds a way to win a close game at the end. Except against Butch last season.
 
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gunner said:
Did you forget about South Carolina? They finished the season ranked higher than Oregon, Bama, and Mizzou. Butch completely out coached the great Spurrier in that game. SC would have played for the SEC title had UT not upset them.

Beating and out coaching the legendary Spurrier doesn't happen that often at UT. Spurrier is a tricky bastard who always finds a way to win a close game at the end. Except against Butch last season.
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No way SC deserved to be ranked better than Bama, none. Oregon at the beginning of the year and the end were two entirely different teams and you will see some more chinks in their armor with their coaching change and the graduation of some players. SC and Mizzou were basically equivalent. I did love that win over Spurrier but UF Spurrier wins were much more coveted IMO.
 
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Ya'll absolutely kill me. "Besides hanging with Georgia and beating USCe". Coach didn't drop the ball at the one inch line (I love the effort, not dogging Pig at all). He beat a Top 5 team. Besides?? More than we've done in a long time. He made coaching decisions throughout the season that were gutsy, successful, and much better overall than we've seen in over a half decade. We got whooped vs top tier teams. That was expected. He had no quarterback, no All-SEC level offensive playmakers, had very little defensive speed, and it was his first year. It's unreal listening to people say they have nothing to be excited about. Go Vols!
 
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charlestonamigo said:
Ya'll absolutely kill me. "Besides hanging with Georgia and beating USCe". Coach didn't drop the ball at the one inch line (I love the effort, not dogging Pig at all). He beat a Top 5 team. Besides?? More than we've done in a long time. He made coaching decisions throughout the season that were gutsy, successful, and much better overall than we've seen in over a half decade. We got whooped vs top tier teams. That was expected. He had no quarterback, no All-SEC level offensive playmakers, had very little defensive speed, and it was his first year. It's unreal listening to people say they have nothing to be excited about. Go Vols!
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my only regret is I have but one like to give you!

very spot on.
 
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Butch and Comany know that defense wins championships...so for all of the offense fan-fare coming in the door with the read-option, spread, etc. that Coach Jones brought...notice who all the 4 and 5 star recruits he is picking up are...DE, DL, LB, DB...our D is going to be stifiling in the next couple of years !!!
 
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charlestonamigo said:
Ya'll absolutely kill me. "Besides hanging with Georgia and beating USCe". Coach didn't drop the ball at the one inch line (I love the effort, not dogging Pig at all). He beat a Top 5 team. Besides?? More than we've done in a long time. He made coaching decisions throughout the season that were gutsy, successful, and much better overall than we've seen in over a half decade. We got whooped vs top tier teams. That was expected. He had no quarterback, no All-SEC level offensive playmakers, had very little defensive speed, and it was his first year. It's unreal listening to people say they have nothing to be excited about. Go Vols!
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Let me restate.... Felt great about his coaching in the Georgia and SCar games, felt fairly bad about his coaching in the Bama, Mizzou and Auburn games not because we lost to better teams but because we weren't remotely competitive and just looked poorly coached. Then throw in the Vandy loss.... I'm not even including the embarrassing blowout loss to what turned out to be a very good but certainly not great Oregon team.

I'm aware of the historically bad hand Jones was given. I believe Butch is the right guy for the job... but his first year on field results didn't give me great confidence. I don't know how it could have for anyone.
 
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Vol logic said:
No way SC deserved to be ranked better than Bama, none. Oregon at the beginning of the year and the end were two entirely different teams and you will see some more chinks in their armor with their coaching change and the graduation of some players. SC and Mizzou were basically equivalent. I did love that win over Spurrier but UF Spurrier wins were much more coveted IMO.
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SC and Mizzou both finished the season ranked ahead of Bama. Bama was completely man handled in the Sugar Bowl.
 
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KBVol said:
felt fairly bad about his coaching in the Bama, Mizzou and Auburn games not because we lost to better teams but because we weren't remotely competitive and just looked poorly coached.
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So you're not happy with the coaching effort during a road game against the SEC runner-up and eventual Cotton Bowl Champion, a road game at the two-time defending National Champion Tide who were close to the title game if not for the miracle of miracles, and a home game against an unstoppable offensive unit in Auburn that was a minute away from winning the National Championship.

With far less talent, speed, and depth. With no QB.

:eek:k:

And since I apparently am focused far too closely on this lack of playmakers, speed, depth, and far less overall talent from QB to Special Teams, what were the key coaching decisions Butch missed on during those games that make the experts here on VolNation claim those games were poorly coached? If you give me 3 terrible coaching decisions in each game, I'll leave you be and go back to lurking from afar.

No, starting Peterman doesn't count! :eek:lol:
 
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The fake punt was not his best decision.

Appears to me you guys agree on CBJ. Optimistic about the future based on criteria other than only on the field performance last year.
 
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charlestonamigo said:
So you're not happy with the coaching effort during a road game against the SEC runner-up and eventual Cotton Bowl Champion, a road game at the two-time defending National Champion Tide who were close to the title game if not for the miracle of miracles, and a home game against an unstoppable offensive unit in Auburn that was a minute away from winning the National Championship.

With far less talent, speed, and depth. With no QB.

:eek:k:

And since I apparently am focused far too closely on this lack of playmakers, speed, depth, and far less overall talent from QB to Special Teams, what were the key coaching decisions Butch missed on during those games that make the experts here on VolNation claim those games were poorly coached? If you give me 3 terrible coaching decisions in each game, I'll leave you be and go back to lurking from afar.

No, starting Peterman doesn't count! :eek:lol:
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Feel like I've made my view on Butch's coaching performance pretty clear. I'll try one more time..... weren't remotely competitive vs Oregon, Bama, Mizzou, Auburn which to me speaks to how well prepared they were and the coaches' ability to make in-game adjustment to "stop the bleeding" during those games. Didn't expect to win those games, also didn't expect to be blown out and embarrassed to the extent that any of those teams could've "named the score".... Oregon could've easily scored 80 pts had they not called off the dogs. Should I even mention the poor performance vs Vandy?

I mentioned that Butch was given an historically bad hand to start with... we agree there. Fully aware team speed and overall talent were lacking... and I'll throw in a few key injuries (Worley, Saulsberry, North for the Vandy game).

After the 2 best performances of the season, we somehow seemed to regress. That was disappointing. Thought we should've used that momentum to get to a bowl game. Instead, got embarrassed the next games, albeit vs some very good teams. Again, didn't necessarily expect to win those games... just expected to be competitive with a chance to win.

Love what Butch has done off the field with the program and recruiting. Still waiting to see something that gives me great confidence in his ability to be competitive/win on Saturdays. I think it's coming, but it didn't happen last year IMO.
 
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weren't remotely competitive vs Oregon, Bama, Mizzou, Auburn which to me speaks to how well prepared they were and the coaches' ability to make in-game adjustment to "stop the bleeding" during those games. Didn't expect to win those games, also didn't expect to be blown out and embarrassed to the extent that any of those teams could've "named the score".... Oregon could've easily scored 80 pts had they not called off the dogs. Should I even mention the poor performance vs Vandy?

Not here to debate your position one way or the other but as a family member who once coached at UT told me one time..."ITS ALL ABOUT MISMATCHES AND SPACING AND SPEED MAKES THE DIFFERENCE.." I agree that its frustrating not to be able to make adjustments during the game but the greatest example of this is the WIDE RECEIVER SCREEN...Florida, Alabama, Oregon, Mizz, and even Auburn a couple of times ran it repeatedly against us and we had NO CHANCE to stop it...WHY???...because we had NO TEAM SPEED to close that spacing which is crucial for that play to work...just saying there's usually reasons we see the same plays over and over against us...and "bad angles" as some say were the reason for lack of success covering that play is a direct result of lack of speed....as far as the Vandy game....disappointing for sure...make that 3rd down and 1 yard and the games over...that's sports though...its not coincidental that CBJ keeps referring to the UPGRADE IN TEAM SPEED as what he's most excited about...
 
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and can you imagine being the coach on the sidelines seeing what's happening and knowing how to stop it but you simply don't have the athletes or team speed to get your team in place to stop it? Must be REALLY frustrating for them. And there careers are on the line...Speed covers a multitude of woes....always has....always will.....and its really just that simple...
 
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